DO TREASURES HAVE REAL SPIRITS

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Judy , I must remember that-----

Tejano, what post in 98 were you interested in? I can cut and paste it for you/

p.s. don't remove the google ad at the lower left, it automatically resets yo to th ebeginning or home page-- just scroll up til you clear the a.
 

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I don't know what is on page 98, Don Jose. That's what 'bugs' me. I'm afraid that I've missed some great stories! I see some 'quotes' on 99 and 100 that must be from page 98, but other than those, I have no idea what the remainder of the page has on it. Yes, I'd like to at least be able to see what I've missed!
I've tried numerous ways to access 98. I've probably tried close 20 times and several different ways to access it. It's really a mystery to me!
 

I don't know what is on page 98, Don Jose. That's what 'bugs' me. I'm afraid that I've missed some great stories! I see some 'quotes' on 99 and 100 that must be from page 98, but other than those, I have no idea what the remainder of the page has on it. Yes, I'd like to at least be able to see what I've missed!
I've tried numerous ways to access 98. I've probably tried close 20 times and several different ways to access it. It's really a mystery to me!

Tex

Maybe a 'web spirit' is preventing you, he he :laughing7:... :cross:
 

So strange! I've restarted my computer, refreshed the page, tried to access page 98 from 97, and from 99, and from 100. I always get page 97 when I try to access page 98! This started yesterday. The computer has been turned off several times since the problem started. Gee! Hmmm, trying to think of a way to get access to 98. Anybody got any ideas???

Try clicking on this, it is pg. 98..

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/treasure-legends/407503-do-treasures-have-real-spirits-98.html
 

Excellent fable, Doc. And a very wise lesson. :icon_thumleft:

The version I learned from my Cherokee grandmother was a little different. It was a Raven, not a Crow, and the cheese the fox stole was really a poison yellow mushroom. The moral was not to become overconfident in your cunning...the wise are not deceived and the trick may be on you. Of course, I had just stolen a fresh apple pie she had put in the window to cool and eaten so much I made myself sick....that might have had something to do with it. :-\

Howdy JudyH

A warm Southern welcome to the fire,
and a nice fable/pie story. Sounds like
your Cherokee Grandma did a good job
schoolin' ya, 'bout yer sneaky hot apple
pie kiping. :goldcoin: Think you got off light? :laughing7: Thanks, ... :cross:
 

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Yep...got off light with Grandmother, but later in the day my mother chased me up a tree with a switch. Unfortunately, due to the ...um...'effects' of the pie binge, I couldn't stay in the tree very long and eventually got my hiney lit up.

Hmmmn...

Sounds like a Tomboy kinda' varmit, climbin'
up in the tree. Yeah, I got some of those too,
but lived through it, none the worse? :laughing7:... :cross:
 

It IS Halloween; all I can think of is GHOST Pirates & their Treasures along the East Coast of USA... watching movie, THE FOG, tonight (like the ORIGINAL, better). Outer Banks, NC has LOTS of BLACKBEARD "stuff"...
 

Releventchair, nope, it still comes up '97'; but thanks anyway. I can not think of anything that could be causing this. I got my son in on the problem, but he couldn't come up with anything that worked either. (&(^&_(_+*)&^*%^*&*%#$%!!!!!!! lol
Well, I'm going to some of the other threads that have 200 pages and see if the number 98 page will be displayed. I'll let you know later.
 

Ok, I went to 'Crispin's Critters'. Yes, page 98 displays ok. Hey, is someone on the forum 'messing' with me? Huh? Or, are there actually some spirits trying to keep me from seeing all that's on page 98? Gotta ponder this some more.

Meantime, I've got a tale to tell; or is it a question still?

In 1964, I was working for a bread company in a town about 45 miles from my hometown. At that time it was just me, the wife, and one daughter. The hours were long and 6 days a week back then. On Saturday evening, when I finished work, we would drive back home to see the folks and spend the night. We split the time between my parents and my wife's parents. When I say 'home', I mean our hometown; not where we lived at this time.
One Saturday evening, late because of a long day, we left to drive back home. I had started work about 4:30 a.m. that morning and got home a little after 6 p.m.. It was almost 7:30 p.m. before we hit the road.
I had an old '57 Mercury and the speedometer didn't work. Really didn't matter anyway, because back then I drove about as fast as my car would go. We were on a 2-lane highway with very little traffic. I had to keep moving around in the seat, slapping my face, shaking my head, and such to stay awake. I dozed off for a second or two. When I looked up, there was an old man standing in the highway right in front of me. I slammed on the brakes, throwing the baby out of her mother's lap, and into the floor of the car. Just as I thought I was going to hit the old man, he disappeared! I had imagined the whole thing.
The baby was ok, and I started on down the road, wide awake this time! A few minutes later, I became sleepy again. Although I fought it, I again dozed off for a few seconds. When I awoke and looked up, there was one of the biggest Hereford bulls that I had ever seen standing in the road in front of me. Remembering the old man not really being there, I slowed down, but didn't try to stop as suddenly as I had before. As I got closer and closer to the bull, it didn't disappear. I managed to stop just before coming into contact with it. And, yes, it was actually there!
Ok, was the old man a warning? I've always felt that it was a warning to prepare me for the actual danger. Although, if I had been convinced that the bull was an apparition, I might have killed us all. I keep going back and forth, trying to fathom just what actually happened with the old man. Warning? Or, a ruse to get us killed because I might think the bull was not actually there??
 

:coffee2::coffee2::coffee2::coffee2::coffee2::coffee2::coffee2:

Happy ? "All Saint's Day", Harvest, Fall Festival,
is what I prefer.

So, that's basically my take on the whole of it. Not the only 'Holy Day',
or 'Holiday', that ever got changed with some sort of pagan belief or myth,
to benefit some commercially.

Y'all have a real good day, hope your trick or treat,
is a safe, fun, happy time, with family or good friends! 8-)... :cross:
 

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Howdy Red,

Seems like a wake up call.:dontknow:

Try and see if you can read page 98 without logging in, you may not be able to post, but you may be able to see what you are missing when you log in.

Homar
 

Senor Crosse, I agree, Halloween is the day of satan as is practiced in the USSA and other places……..and also why for the past 3 years I have made a point to be out of the country this day……..here you need look wide and far to see any evidence of Halloween…….Deo Gratias…...
 

this is a copy pasted post that i have made in another thread. here is the link.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/philippines/18364-anybody-philippines-6.html

this post is in response to the question on this thread " do treasures have real spirits?"


I agree with wwII relic hunter. its a dangerous thing to partner with Filipinos, specially those who are strangers to you. Although majority of us are kind hearted, hospitable, and good persons, there are always Filipinos who are bad, just as there are also Good natured Americans and Evil Americans.


And you also factor the fact that evil spirit(human spirit- treasure guardians) , principalities (prince/s of darkness like Satan,etc) , dominions (lesser angels) and powers (diwatas, kapres, and others) are very much interested to get hold of the gold items.

for evil spirits( human spirits that are dead who turned evil because it was their last thought to guard the gold items at all cost before they died), they will do everything within their spirit capacity to distract and prevent you from recovering the item. they can only do so much as they are in spirit form. they can be surmounted but the danger there is if the gold items are recovered. Failing to get the light after they are released from the vortex, they will get back at you, or the weakest link of your family to either get him sick until they are dead. this is their kind of justice. having no purpose already as they were released from the vortex (to guard the treasure), they will wander and will try to seek the light and leave this earth. but if they cannot find the light, they will wreck havoc to you after almost one year. I have heard from a metallurgical engineer that his cousin was able to get the item. it was just buried below 20 feet. that cousin lost his mind and is now in the mental hospital. that cousin claims that an evil spirit is always talking to him , talking behind his back and was always bugging him. wherever he goes, that spirit goes. The same is also true of two persons who was able to go under a cave and found something. I have heard from his lawyer that the other person got crazy and experienced the same thing. The other person was possessed and is now always carrying that spirit in his body. All rumors but maybe true. otherwise, their cousins who told me in the internet would not have swore to me that their stories were true. Hearing their stories, I did not dare meet with them in person. Otherwise, I would have been crazy too like them if I did meet the cousins that they have. Its better to be alive than crazy. hehehe

The real reason why the Japanese made the spirits of the human beings guard their treasures is two -fold. First is the obvious. they want the spirits to guard the items and create distractions and sickness to those who seek to recover them. that is why, gold treasures like the dutchmine and the others all over the world are cursed by spirits. the same is true with Japanese treasures buried in the Philippines. I encountered it so many times in my diggings before. Once, I was able to hear the voice of a giant whistling and calling my name without my workers hearing it. after I ran and went to another place, one of the workers also ran after hearing the same voice calling his name. all the other workers did not hear the said voice. once, someone poked me hard on my side of the belly without anybody near me from even 1 kilometer radius. My worker also got his eggs cursed as it went so big after just a few hours. in another occasion, when we tried to burn a tree near the hole where we dig, my body was suddenly experiencing a very hot fire burning my entire body, another buddy of mine experienced the same thing and the other third member of our group (3 of us) got burned also without a fire. that night and the morning thereafter, their bodies went so big like somebody mauled him in their sleep. The 2nd member of our group cannot speak for 3 weeks as his tongue was like it was twisted. it took them 2-3 weeks to recover from that seeming pain from being mauled. as for me, I experienced that burning feeling for the entire night but I prayed so mightily to God and Jesus and took 4 capsules of vitamin c every four hours. that did the trick as I woke up without the same fate that they have experienced. But I felt somebody tried to do harm to me that day and night . The second purpose why there are human spirits that guard the treasure has something to do with guarding the treasure also from elementals like dominions, and powers. as long as the human spirit is there , that gold items cannot be robbed or claimed by dominions and powers. As we all know, God has control over all gold and treasures. And devils, like principalities, dominions and powers (fallen angels) also wanted to be like God. They want gold and treasures too. that is why they want to take over or claim dominion over it. But as long as the dead human spirit is there, it cannot be claimed by anyone except the human spirit. Japanese recoverers know how to release the human spirits from their vortex and lead them to light. That is one thing we Filipinos and non-Japanese nationals lack.

speaking of evil spirits, principalities dominions and powers, they can control the emotions and behaviors of those co-diggers or co-workers who don't have a pure heart and are not protected by Jesus and guardian angels. that is why you hear stories of those who were so mabait (kind hearted) before the items were recovered but surprisingly, when items are found, they become so ruthless and evil that you cannot expect them to be like that even in your wildest dreams. those possessed persons can kill their co workers. that is where the danger and hazard lies. spirits and other unseen entities play a role in your digging too.

I once had a worker before where he became so pale and weak that we could not understand what happened to him. we brought him to the hospital. all blood test, and other medical lab test were normal. but he was still so weak and pale. we brought him to someone who can pray and ask for divine intervention. immediately, he regained his strength and composure and it was like nothing serious happened to him after that prayer.

there are some things we cannot explain.

the same is also true with the lost dutchman treasure. and other treasure sites which are cursed. they are cursed in the sense that somebody is watching over it just like the case of japanese yamashita treasures buried in the Philippines. Some are guarded by human spirits (dead spirits of course), and some are constantly watched over by other evil entities. these evil entities that are in lower forms are also being watched over by an overlord.

this story of mine might be a tale for some but you may want to read books that detailed their actual encounter with the devil and spirits. one of them is the reluctant exorcist by ken gardiner.

here is the that you may find useful.

in one of our diggings , my friend was able to dowse that an item was inserted in a tree. so we used a metal detector and it was confirmed that indeed there is a precious metal inside. my friend decided that they will buy the tree and try to cut the tree to get the precious metal something inside. my friend made arrangements to talk to the owner on some other date.

as we went home that day, we did not notice that something was amiss. however, during the night, the youngest child of the person of my co-digger, the de facto leader of our group, seemed to be so silent and no amount of prodding can make her eat. that was surprising because that child has a voracious appetite and would eat anything that was offered to her. it went on for another day. she did not also eat again for the whole day. she was having a high fever also. realizing that something was wrong, my friend called for help from my friends who are religious. those friends prayed that child while they are several miles away from her. and my friend, the father of the child, also prayed something silently. as he was about to close his prayer, he made a little sign of the cross at the back of the child. suddenly, that child went berserck and shouted " ayoko kay Jesus" (i dont want Jesus). she repeated that several times. that strengthened the resolve of my friend to even pray more. so my friend (the father), and the friends who are very far from their ) prayed so hard that very moment. i dont know what prayers were they able to recite or make but the father of the child told me that after that prayer, her child suddenly talked and it was like she was breathing heavily. she asked for a friend chicken (her favorite) and she went on an eating splurge that very moment. I dont know if the entity that possessed he child was expelled. but something is for sure, somebody uninvited came to possess that child because of treasure hunting.

My question is was that treasure (maybe one bar or more) inside the very big tree guarded by a spirit? that i really dont know.

Please also watch the movie "deliver us from evil" starred by Eric Bana , the actor of Incredible Hulk. the gist of the story in the movie was that some soldier stationed during the Gulf war went into a bunker where something was guarded there. But after reading the writings on the wall, he was possessed by a devil. that movie depicted the process of how to deliver the possessed from evil. it was an educational movie. but mind you, that was a true story as experienced by an NYPD cop.


so here is the trick, if you feel that you are being attacked by an evil spirit, do not engage with that spirit. seek the help of an expert. but if you are unable to do so, call on Jesus and his angels (angels who are his followers and who are from the HOly spirit of God ) repeatedly.. and you may find that somebody will be helping you. during that plea for help, you also shout, in the name and authority of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave this instant .

Same is also true when you suddenly lose your consciousness after cutting a true or when you experience bangungot ( sleep paralysis) or when some evil spirit , a black one , or an old woman, is attacking you in your sleep. call for help from Jesus and his angels, and shout something to that entity in the name and authority of Jesus.

I have several encounters of that kind during my sleep (the black entity that grope my neck and the old woman that resembles someone from the movie tangled) and after I have shouted them to leave in the name and authority of Jesus Christ, they left. the plea for help and the command to leave must be repeated as it will test your resolve and faith before it leaves. you must believe in Jesus when you say it.
 

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Well, I went to my son-in-law's computer this morning. I brought up TNet, 'Do Treasures Have Real Spirits', then page 98. Got it. Now I don't have to wonder what was on 98!
Mr. Homar, I will try that and let you know later. Thanks. I'm beginning to think that my computer has a 'spirit' of its own!
 

Homar, I tried to access page 98 while logged out. Nope, still get 97. lol
I quit. Not going to try to find the problem. If I need to wipe my hard drive sometime in the future, I'll then try again. Might be a bug that I'm unaware of.
 

Grand ma's favorite was a switch from her weeping willow tree. The ultimate humiliation was that you had to cut it yourself, but since I am a saint =====d

Pop only poped me once, he mase me learn to read and write before I entered Kinder Some how I stalled at "S" until one day, in exasperation, he aid that "S" stood for spanking, tis remrkable how
quickly I learned.

Some day I''l have ro tell you how he taught me about Judy's.
 

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