CIPHER #3 CHALLENGE, THE FIRST 5 NAMES ON THE LIST. WHO WILL WIN ?

[Cryptography]

Enjoy a radio interview from Night Vision Radio with Rene Barnett and guest Kenneth Andrew Bauman:



An earnest challenge to a superior cryptanalyst...Cryptography, would that be you? :


Meet Legrand's "Iron Box" :


PTSNS,STSTOTTLTSAI,DSTSTOTLTA,TSHSSH,*STS

TOTA*AHD*SPSH,HSIO*TAHHHLTSHHLTYTSHTS,HP,O*N,L

T,SSAPTASTSTPTTLSAASI,TTS,HASI,TASI,TTS,HAHDTS,H

ASI,TTDSA,ISHOSALHSTS,STS,SHLTYHAATTLSATSHTSHA
back
HDTSHLSHHTDSA,A*OA*AS,HATA*NHO

That was interesting, I am not sure how some people get to a place were they can bring out something that?

So we are back to Poe ?

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

That was interesting, I am not sure how some people get to a place were they can bring out something that?

So we are back to Poe ?

LOL!

 

[ECS]

So we are back to Poe ?

...or pulling names out of a hat to fit the C3 cipher, or trying to pin the tale on Reavis, or playing blind man's bluff with a skeleton keychain to unlock the vault, or a tickle with a French connexion, or an Adams-Onis hide and seek take the money and run-the beat goes on, and on, and on, and nothing is resolved, just endless mounds of what ifs.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

...or pulling names out of a hat to fit the C3 cipher, or trying to pin the tale on Reavis, or playing blind man's bluff with a skeleton keychain to unlock the vault, or a tickle with a French connexion, or an Adams-Onis hide and seek take the money and run-the beat goes on, and on, and on, and nothing is resolved, just endless mounds of what ifs.

Sounds like you just had a blonde moment. You will say anything to get your way. And make up anything to prove your opinion. Sad !

 

[legrand]

Let's see... Rebel is laughing .... ECS is rambling .... and Cryptography has not deciphered the cryptogram. Noses to the grindstone now gents.

The Beale Treasure

Concentrate on this site...the answer is near.

Work on that cryptogram and quick playing around.

Legrand.

 

[ECS]

You forgot Laf, who claims to have already solved the ciphers.

 

[legrand]

ECS...I have claimed a solution too and probably, like Laf, there is unfortunately no objective proof of solution (no treasure yet, for various reason(s)). Laf may have a solve. I may have a solve. This mystery does not require gold to be culpable of exciting attentive contemplation.

You must follow Roy Dallas. He is your huckleberry.

Come on ...don't you see? I am bound by confidentiality. I'm trying to give, but only so far...

I understand the frustration.

Here is something more...another potential interview...in Scotland. Check out this website for an introduction to my work:

https://annetittensor.wordpress.com/ken-bauman/

Let's just say the subject of the Beale Papers will be extraordinary fodder for some time to come...very soon.

 

[ECS]

...with a "possible connection" to Edgar Allen Poe and Ralph Waldo Emerson.
Extraordinary "fodder" for sure.

 

[ECS]

... You will say anything to get your way. And make up anything to prove your opinion. Sad !

Well its seems you're just like me, then, hope you're satisfied.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Let's see... Rebel is laughing .... ECS is rambling .... and Cryptography has not deciphered the cryptogram. Noses to the grindstone now gents.

The Beale Treasure

Concentrate on this site...the answer is near.

Work on that cryptogram and quick playing around.

Legrand.

NAH... Ciphers are WASTE of time... just a RUSE, for entertainment.

 

[ECS]

The next "possible connection" will be James Fennimore Cooper's Nattie Bumpoe as Thomas Beale.

 

[legrand]

Where's Cryptography? Probably in the corner wadding up and throwing out penciled attempts at the "Iron Box".

Well, at least he's trying ECS.

(tap,tap,tap) Class...now concentrate on:

PTSNS,STSTOTTLTSAI,DSTSTOTLTA,TSHSSH,*STS

TOTA*AHD*SPSH,HSIO*TAHHHLTSHHLTYTSHTS,HP,O*N,L

T,SSAPTASTSTPTTLSAASI,TTS,HASI,TASI,TTS,HAHDTS,H

ASI,TTDSA,ISHOSALHSTS,STS,SHLTYHAATTLSATSHTSHA

HDTSHLSHHTDSA,A*OA*AS,HATA*NHO


Will this stop the cutesy comments?

 

[ECS]

Well, at least he's trying ECS.

Legrand many have tried to solve the ciphers and many "possible connections" outside of the 1885 Beale Papers have been proposed on several threads on this site and in other media.
What they all have in common is the TOTAL LACK of any corroborating evidence that connects to the story in the Beale Papers, or to Ward, Sherman, or 1885 Lynchburg where the job pamphlet was advertised in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN for sale.
The other lacking corroborating evidence is any documentation that the expedition adventure related in the job pamphlet, ACTUALLY ever happened.
Many could have, may have, have been offered up as speculation, but all fall short under examination to being related to the Beale story.
Now when one looks at the extended James Beverly Risqué family bloodline, Thomas Beale in a duel over Julia Hancock with Risqué, one discovers in that extended bloodline through birth or marriage, Robert Morriss, James Beverly Ward, John William Sherman, and the Bufords' of the mentioned tavern- names the residents of Lynchburg and Bedford were familiar.
The other names in the job pamphlet were also known by those of Bedford county-Jackson,Clay, Coles, Witcher,Marshall, and a contemporary of the 1885 publication, businessman, Max Guggenheimer.
These names would not be known by Poe, Emerson, or to the residents of New Orleans, the most common Thomas Beale search city due to his business holdings there and his part in the Battle of New Orleans, and yes, because of that connexion, Jean Lafitte's name has been thrown into the Beale speculative stew.
The point being made, without the slightest outside corroboration to confirm the story, the story, the treasure, and the ciphers become suspect, and the familiar names employed in the Beale Papers are used as a literary device to sell the work in 1885 Lynchburg.
As codebreaker, William Friedman noted about the DOI solved C2, "diabolical ingenuity, specifically designed to lure the unwary reader".

 

[bigscoop]

Legrand many have tried to solve the ciphers and many "possible connections" outside of the 1885 Beale Papers have been proposed on several threads on this site and in other media.
What they all have in common is the TOTAL LACK of any corroborating evidence that connects to the story in the Beale Papers, or to Ward, Sherman, or 1885 Lynchburg where the job pamphlet was advertised in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN for sale.
The other lacking corroborating evidence is any documentation that the expedition adventure related in the job pamphlet, ACTUALLY ever happened.
Many could have, may have, have been offered up as speculation, but all fall short under examination to being related to the Beale story.
Now when one looks at the extended James Beverly Risqué family bloodline, Thomas Beale in a duel over Julia Hancock with Risqué, one discovers in that extended bloodline through birth or marriage, Robert Morriss, James Beverly Ward, John William Sherman, and the Bufords' of the mentioned tavern- names the residents of Lynchburg and Bedford were familiar.
The other names in the job pamphlet were also known by those of Bedford county-Jackson,Clay, Coles, Witcher,Marshall, and a contemporary of the 1885 publication, businessman, Max Guggenheimer.
These names would not be known by Poe, Emerson, or to the residents of New Orleans, the most common Thomas Beale search city due to his business holdings there and his part in the Battle of New Orleans, and yes, because of that connexion, Jean Lafitte's name has been thrown into the Beale speculative stew.
The point being made, without the slightest outside corroboration to confirm the story, the story, the treasure, and the ciphers become suspect, and the familiar names employed in the Beale Papers are used as a literary device to sell the work in 1885 Lynchburg.
As codebreaker, William Friedman noted about the DOI solved C2, "diabolical ingenuity, specifically designed to lure the unwary reader".

And it will forever remain a highly debated and completely unsolved mystery with all manner of speculation and solution without said "documentation" that proves the story one way or the other.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Legrand many have tried to solve the ciphers and many "possible connections" outside of the 1885 Beale Papers have been proposed on several threads on this site and in other media.
What they all have in common is the TOTAL LACK of any corroborating evidence that connects to the story in the Beale Papers, or to Ward, Sherman, or 1885 Lynchburg where the job pamphlet was advertised in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN for sale.
The other lacking corroborating evidence is any documentation that the expedition adventure related in the job pamphlet, ACTUALLY ever happened.
Many could have, may have, have been offered up as speculation, but all fall short under examination to being related to the Beale story.
Now when one looks at the extended James Beverly Risqué family bloodline, Thomas Beale in a duel over Julia Hancock with Risqué, one discovers in that extended bloodline through birth or marriage, Robert Morriss, James Beverly Ward, John William Sherman, and the Bufords' of the mentioned tavern- names the residents of Lynchburg and Bedford were familiar.
The other names in the job pamphlet were also known by those of Bedford county-Jackson,Clay, Coles, Witcher,Marshall, and a contemporary of the 1885 publication, businessman, Max Guggenheimer.
These names would not be known by Poe, Emerson, or to the residents of New Orleans, the most common Thomas Beale search city due to his business holdings there and his part in the Battle of New Orleans, and yes, because of that connexion, Jean Lafitte's name has been thrown into the Beale speculative stew.
The point being made, without the slightest outside corroboration to confirm the story, the story, the treasure, and the ciphers become suspect, and the familiar names employed in the Beale Papers are used as a literary device to sell the work in 1885 Lynchburg.
As codebreaker, William Friedman noted about the DOI solved C2, "diabolical ingenuity, specifically designed to lure the unwary reader".

Time will tell Bro !

 

[ECS]

THE CANDLE MAY BE WELL WORTH THE FLAME...

Time will tell Bro !

...but there is no nugget of gold hiding there.
What you, and all the others before for the 130 years have failed to establish, is if this grand Beale adventure ever occurred, and without that proof, solving the two ciphers is an exercise of futility.
If the events in 1885 Beale are only the product of Ward's imagination with events drawn from his family's past down history polished up into a novel, then the ciphers are only included as an amusement, an after dinner parlor entertainment.
...and remember the disclaimer in the Beale Papers:
"devote only such time as can be spared from your legitimate business to the task, and if you can spare no time, let the matter alone".
The author is clearing stating that the story is just that, and the ciphers, a game for amusement.
As Rebel-KGC has mentioned many times, only recovery of the Beale treasure will prove the story and ciphers as REAL, until that time, the Beale Papers remain as a dime adventure/treasure novel, marketed and sold only in Lynchburg, Virginia.

 

[ECS]

And it will forever remain a highly debated and completely unsolved mystery with all manner of speculation and solution without said "documentation" that proves the story one way or the other.

...or,"There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact"-Sherlock Holmes/Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

 

[bigscoop]

...or,"There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact"-Sherlock Holmes/Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

You just presented something of paradox...."deceptive obvious facts"...in a mystery where there are no facts to present the deceptions in the first place, other then, perhaps, by deceiving the reader that this absence of facts is in fact presenting the illusion of deceptive absent facts in the first place. If this is the case then the assumed absence of facts could just be the deception intended.

Fictional logics applied to fictional tales that have been crafted to meet the fictional logics employed do not define reality.

Having said all of this, I'm not quite sure what I said in the first paragraph.

 

[ECS]

Reality in this case is the perception of the reader, Bigscoop.
We make real what we want to make real-The 1885 Beale Papers claim the treasure is real, and many want to believe, without looking beyond the job pamphlet to research if it is real.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You just presented something of paradox...."deceptive obvious facts"...in a mystery where there are no facts to present the deceptions in the first place, other then, perhaps, by deceiving the reader that this absence of facts is in fact presenting the illusion of deceptive absent facts in the first place. If this is the case then the assumed absence of facts could just be the deception intended.

Fictional logics applied to fictional tales that have been crafted to meet the fictional logics employed do not define reality.

Having said all of this, I'm not quite sure what I said in the first paragraph.

LOL! Do we ALL...?