Was Adolph Ruth really seeking the Lost Dutchman mine or another?

[deducer]

Geroge Bashford never "fought" in any war. Unless it was during the Apache Wars. Here's a basic timeline of his service in the SpanAm war:

George Bashford’s Spanish American War Service:

Spanned a total of eight months, of which just less than a month we were at war. However, Bashford’s unit never left the Unites States.

15 July 1898 — Enlisted, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Terr. Volunteer Infantry, Co. H

12 Aug 1898 — Armistice signed in Washington; End of hostilities

Oct 1898 — All companies of 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Terr. Vol. Inf. were shipped by rail from their respective territories and stationed at Camp Hamilton, KY for training.

Nov 1898 — Camp Hamilton abandoned, volunteer regiments dispersed for disposition/mustering out. 1st Terr. Vol. Inf. shipped to Camp Churchman, GA

Dec 1898 - Treaty of Paris signed Dec 10 1898, officially ending the war.

Feb 1899 — Senate ratifies peace treaty on 6 Feb 1899. 1[SUP]st[/SUP] Terr. Vol. Infantry finishes discharging all volunteers. Private George Bashford was mustered out on 11 Feb 1899.

27 Jun 1931 — Bashford applies for Spanish American War Pension from Mayer, AZ. Mailing address is General Delivery, Mayer, AZ.

Note the date he applies for his pension, and where he was. However, a proper conspiracy would integrate that into the story by claiming he submitted his pension application on that date so he would have an alibi...

That's interesting. Was he successful in getting his pension? That may have been the source of the notion that he was in the war (according to what I read).

 

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[PotBelly Jim]

That's interesting. Was he successful in getting his pension? That may have been the source of the notion that he was in the war (according to what I read).

Yes, he was. It was awarded on Sept 13 of that same year. At the time, between the end of the Civil War and WWI, Congress had passed several pension laws that allowed for any wartime veteran with a disability to claim a pension, whether the disability was service related or not. As long as they had reached the age of 65. Many people without disability also made claims, as even if they received little to no pension, it still afforded them the opportunity to live in a veterans home and receive other benefits after the age of 65. Bashford was 65 when he submitted his claim.

On another note, it has been stated that Cal Morse called the Maricopa Co. authorities to report Ruth missing, but not the Pinal Co. officials. This is said to indicate that the conspirators knew Ruth had actually died on Peter's Mesa, in Maricopa Co. I have some questions:

-Was there some type of call log that indicates only Maricopa Co. was summoned? Other sources state both counties were contacted. How do we know that Cal Morse contacted only the MCSO?
-If Pinal Co. authorities weren't notified, what prompted them to put a posse into the field on the 25th of June, 1931, with Gabriel Robles?
-There's newspaper reporting that Cal Morse came into town (Phx) on the 25th of June and reported Ruth missing. As we know, by that date, Pinal Co. already had a posse in the Supes. When was the first posse organized and deployed by the MCSO?

 

[Matthew Roberts]

deducer,

George Bashford was listed as a Spanish American war veteran. Days before Adolph Ruth entered the mountains he went hunting goats, mountain sheep, with Jack Keenan and George Bashford using Bashfords high power rifle. Bashford was living with Keenan and his wife in a shed behind the house. Keenans wife told authorities at first that Bashford was her uncle but later changed that story.

In 1931 Mayer Arizona was 7 - 8 hours drive from Mesa, Apache Junction.

Collins Cal Morse called Maricopa County Sheriff MacFadden on July 25, 1931 to report Ruth missing. MacFadden placed Jeff Adams in charge of the Maricopa County search. It was MacFadden who called Pinal County Sheriff Walter Laveen that same day. Sheriff Laveen put deputy Chester Mcgee in charge of the Pinal County search.

Some of the newspaper accounts at the time contained false or misleading information leading to confusion. Ruth's wife sent Maricopa County Sheriff MacFadden a 100 dollar reward for anyone who would find her husband. This was done on the 25th as soon as Sheriff MacFadden informed Ruth's wife he was missing.

The Maricopa County Sheriff kept a detailed timeline of the events as they happened. Pinal County did not.

 

[deducer]

Yes, he was. It was awarded on Sept 13 of that same year. At the time, between the end of the Civil War and WWI, Congress had passed several pension laws that allowed for any wartime veteran with a disability to claim a pension, whether the disability was service related or not. As long as they had reached the age of 65. Many people without disability also made claims, as even if they received little to no pension, it still afforded them the opportunity to live in a veterans home and receive other benefits after the age of 65. Bashford was 65 when he submitted his claim.

On another note, it has been stated that Cal Morse called the Maricopa Co. authorities to report Ruth missing, but not the Pinal Co. officials. This is said to indicate that the conspirators knew Ruth had actually died on Peter's Mesa, in Maricopa Co. I have some questions:

-Was there some type of call log that indicates only Maricopa Co. was summoned? Other sources state both counties were contacted. How do we know that Cal Morse contacted only the MCSO?
-If Pinal Co. authorities weren't notified, what prompted them to put a posse into the field on the 25th of June, 1931, with Gabriel Robles?
-There's newspaper reporting that Cal Morse came into town (Phx) on the 25th of June and reported Ruth missing. As we know, by that date, Pinal Co. already had a posse in the Supes. When was the first posse organized and deployed by the MCSO?

Thanks for your answer.

As to the rest of your questions- your research skills are top notch so I am sure you could find answers to these, in short orders. Let us know what you find out.

 

[393stroker]

So you guys are thinking Ruth was murdered and it wasn`t a mountain lion?

 

[azdave35]

So you guys are thinking Ruth was murdered and it wasn`t a mountain lion?

no way he was killed by a mountain lion....there has never been a case where a lion came into a humans camp and attacked him...they are just as afraid of you as you are them...he was killed by another human...or two...and he was killed for a map he had been bragging about....loose lips sink ships.....and idiots

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Thanks for continuing this discussion- it's always good to have an intelligent discussion, and I continue this, not in the spirit of a right or wrong argument, but to test and retest my theories, and the best thing I can do as far as that is to talk to someone with a different point of view.

Thanks for your answer.

As to the rest of your questions- your research skills are top notch so I am sure you could find answers to these, in short orders. Let us know what you find out.

Well, it seems our effort to arrive at whatever truth we can, by talking to someone with a different point of view, isn't working out so well Not that I expected it to, but one can always hope, yes?

I knew the answers to those questions are problematic to the theory being discussed, which is why I asked them. There are many, many more, and in the end I don't have the interest level or energy to continue. I guess it's better to let people believe what they want to believe, and to stay out of their way. Should've figured that out a long time ago

Good luck to all, Jim

 

[wrmickel1]

no way he was killed by a mountain lion....there has never been a case where a lion came into a humans camp and attacked him...they are just as afraid of you as you are them...he was killed by another human...or two...and he was killed for a map he had been bragging about....loose lips sink ships.....and idiots

Maybe it was three, Since the Peralta/Ruth Map leads to thier Claim at that time. Joe told me who owned the claim but I forgot there names. It would be interesting to see if any of the fella's mentioned owned that claim. I think he said a Tex and two other names.

Babymick1

 

[azdave35]

Maybe it was three, Since the Peralta/Ruth Map leads to thier Claim at that time. Joe told me who owned the claim but I forgot there names. It would be interesting to see if any of the fella's mentioned owned that claim. I think he said a Tex and two other names.

Babymick1

if they had a claim in maricopa county it would be fairly easy to find it....if its in pinal county then thats another story

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Maybe it was three, Since the Peralta/Ruth Map leads to thier Claim at that time. Joe told me who owned the claim but I forgot there names. It would be interesting to see if any of the fella's mentioned owned that claim. I think he said a Tex and two other names.

Babymick1

Mick, any chance you can go back and find those names Joe gave you? Funny thing, I heard the exact same thing back in the '70's: That Ruth stumbled on some (3) ne'er-do-wells that were surreptitiously working an area...the story went that he asked too many questions, said the wrong things about Spanish mines, so he was killed...his map taken, and his body taken away and hastily buried...I wonder if that's the same story?

 

[azdave35]

Maybe it was three, Since the Peralta/Ruth Map leads to thier Claim at that time. Joe told me who owned the claim but I forgot there names. It would be interesting to see if any of the fella's mentioned owned that claim. I think he said a Tex and two other names.

Babymick1

where is old joe when you need him...i'm sure gonna miss him at the rendezvous

 

[wrmickel1]

I think one of the names was a Barkley or last name. But no I never wrote the names down. I wished I’d did.

Babymick

 

[Oroblanco]

I think one of the names was a Barkley or last name. But no I never wrote the names down. I wished I’d did.

Babymick

You mean Tex Barkley or another Barkley? Thanks in advance.

 

[wrmickel1]

You mean Tex Barkley or another Barkley? Thanks in advance.

Not sure, Tex kindda sounds Right. Or he was the son of the 3 he was talking about.

Babymick1