Video 4 - The Peralta Stone Maps with Frank Augustine

[cactusjumper]

Dave,

Except for this one, which is not sandstone:





Little clearer picture:



Good luck,

Joe

 

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[azdave35]

Dave,

Except for this one, which is not sandstone:





Little clearer picture:



Good luck,

Joe

hi joe...i'm pretty sure the heart stone is quartzite

 

[cactusjumper]

Dave,

As you know, I don't know $#!t about rocks. Perhaps a form of Quartzsite.

On the other hand, so ter speak, those are gold & diamonds on a peach....for sure.

Take care,

Joe

 

[cactusjumper]

All,

If I have ignored or been rude to any of my friends, it's not intentional. On the other hand, many would say that's just normal for me.

Take care,

Joe

 

[azdave35]

Dave,

As you know, I don't know $#!t about rocks. Perhaps a form of Quartzsite.

On the other hand, so ter speak, those are gold & diamonds on a peach....for sure.

Take care,

Joe

joe..i can tell you all you need to know about rocks...if it has gold in it..put it in your pocket..if it doesnt...its called leverite...leave her right where you found it

 

[cactusjumper]

joe..i can tell you all you need to know about rocks...if it has gold in it..put it in your pocket..if it doesnt...its called leverite...leave her right where you found it

Dave,

Is that the same thing as a Indian love rock?

Take care,

Joe

 

[somehiker]

I don't know if the Bigfoot thing was directed at me but before I became a Treasure Hunter I was famous Bigfoot Hunter.

It don't bother me I made peace with him and now we've moved on. He only comes when I call him. It wasn't me this time though someone else called him out!

I never had my question answered, what has the huge bronze or copper cross have to do with the Peralta Stone Maps? It's right there at one of the site's of the maps discovery and matches the cross on the back of the stones.

Could it be this is the place you start from? Has anyone ever heard of this Cross and what does it have to do with the PSM burials? I found two new holes dug nearby it may be yet another possible location of the discovery.

I was going to show it but I fear it may unleash a humanoid man beast!

The stones depict many references to the a cross of some sort and location. This one is hidden and very old!

Haven't seen it Bill, but if it's "huge" I would think some have. I'm surprised it hasn't been hauled away by scrap hunters....especially if it's copper or bronze.
Might have been part of an old sign, for a church or something. There's a few places down that way with "copper" in their name......Copper Basin, Copper Mine Road...maybe even a "Copper Cross Saloon" at one time

 

[sgtfda]

Just got off the phone with Ryan. He is done with the video of the new episode on the stone maps. Detective Ryan is now working on the audio. He is putting together a timeline of the stone map events. He filmed all the reported locations. Included will be the various map photos and theories. I believe his conclusion will be one that is logical based on the maps history and of those involved. The whole ball of wax on one video. Depending on your personal theory I'm sure there will be things that match and things you don't agree on. But it will be all there. Cait wait to watch it.

 

[somehiker]

Looking forward to it Frank, and can't wait to get back out there myself.

 

[DiggerGal]

Just got off the phone with Ryan. He is done with the video of the new episode on the stone maps. Detective Ryan is now working on the audio. He is putting together a timeline of the stone map events. He filmed all the reported locations. Included will be the various map photos and theories. I believe his conclusion will be one that is logical based on the maps history and of those involved. The whole ball of wax on one video. Depending on your personal theory I'm sure there will be things that match and things you don't agree on. But it will be all there. Cait wait to watch it.

Thank you Ryan for all of your diligence in what you are doing! Frank, your experience and narration as well as Ryan's really puts the facts in front of us that are being sponges out here to absorb through your chapters. Thank you to both of you! Can't wait to see the video!!! Go Ryan Gooooooo!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

YEP Cactus !!!!!

 

[sgtfda]

Thank you Ryan for all of your diligence in what you are doing! Frank, your experience and narration as well as Ryan's really puts the facts in front of us that are being sponges out here to absorb through your chapters. Thank you to both of you! Can't wait to see the video!!! Go Ryan Gooooooo!

Thank you. It's surprising the things that pop up when you attempt something like this.

 

[somehiker]

Thank you SH

Could not make out MEDULLA.

Jon

I was back and forth with whether or not to post anything about the CP rock.
But Lynda (Old) had asked a very good question a couple of weeks ago.
" why a removable heart ?" in the upper trail stone.
My answer was basically " because that is what is at the end of the trail".
I let the cat out of the bag, in a sense, because that is a description of the heart carving on the rock itself, which is also sandstone of the same or similar color as the two trail stones.
I'll need to make a same size pattern of the red heart stone, in order to verify this, but it appeared to be the same size and depth as the pocket on the trail stone.
I expect it to be a bit loose, since the pocket is somewhat rounded on the outer edges and may have also been slightly enlarged through erosion, since it's all exposed to the weather. The triangle and circle in circle are well done,and proportional to the way they are drawn on the Perficio Map, but not deeply cut into the rock. There are no radial lines leading to these three symbols....which had left me wondering why the radial lines were on the paper version.

This morning though, after remembering I had shot some photos in the same area last fall, I decided to look at those, even though they were taken from about 80' away, from a bit to the left and below. Lo and behold I found this....

A bit around the left side and upper left corner.....yellow box....I'm guessing at the size. Would be about 10"x20".
A smaller version with the radial lines !
Sorry if it's grainy, but it's only a small part of a much larger wide angle shot.
It should be good enough though, to see the similarities.

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Note to self.....must take more pictures of this

Regards:SH.

 

[DiggerGal]

Thank you. It's surprising the things that pop up when you attempt something like this.

Frank, I can only imagine what a fresh set of eyes on something you have been studying for decades may unravel! Ryan seems very matter-fact in what he sees...and you...very matter a fact in what you have seen! Lol! I can only imagine the dynamics between you in many explosive conversations! This is (understandably) a very passionate subject, and, I really want you both to know that your candidness about what you are filming and commenting on (undisclosed is completely understood) is greatly appreciated! THIS is REALITY! and I LOVE IT! Thank you both!

 

[Quinoa]

See anything interesting that matches up?( It's not the dutchman.) It's just "stuff."

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[sgtfda]

See anything interesting that matches up?( It's not the dutchman.) It's just "stuff."

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Old snagle puss in Hewitt

 

[sgtfda]

Frank, I can only imagine what a fresh set of eyes on something you have been studying for decades may unravel! Ryan seems very matter-fact in what he sees...and you...very matter a fact in what you have seen! Lol! I can only imagine the dynamics between you in many explosive conversations! This is (understandably) a very passionate subject, and, I really want you both to know that your candidness about what you are filming and commenting on (undisclosed is completely understood) is greatly appreciated! THIS is REALITY! and I LOVE IT! Thank you both!

We don't have explosive conversations. Just share opinions. I do a lot of research and bring things up as we go and he does the same. Help and great advice from our friends

 

[Azquester]

It's hidden so well that you can't see it unless your lined up with it. It looks old and covered in green corrosion!

I couldn't believe it was real at first. It was off in the distance and I never had the chance to film it up close. This was after I dug that pile of crap that yielded nothing but awful smells from the Kudamundi's nest!

It sits on a stone altar similar to the altar on the PSM. No cement just stones cut and placed in a hard packed pattern.

I have to investigate further next week. I took no Video this week out of respect for Ryan's release that's delayed. I still have the Video of the hidden rock piles I never posted if your interested in a short clip?

How many times is a cross depicted as a measuring tool or point in the PSM's?

This may be the true area the stones were found. Near some religious cult that wore pointy hats and road Horses that sported elephant trunks for a leg.

Yes the cross seems to be the key at least to important parts of the stones provenance and history of that area in an unknown just go with what's in front of you.

This thing is jumping out like the corner of a rock map you keep tripping over while searching for arrow heads!

I'm filming it next week as part of the Stone Maps key hiding place. I could see this real easy just Travis wanted everyone to get off their butts and really look for his location. I would have filmed the grave site exploration but it was a bust. Funny thing though it was surrounded by holes dug a long time ago.

I get the feeling I'm following in the footsteps of TT.

Have you visited and dug the fence line where the break in the fence exists? That spot you can tell has been dug but he didn't do it well and missed some spots.

No Bar ever existed near this cross no saloon no restaurant no gas station no way. Not enough money for flood control in Queens Creek. To many cactus for any of those spots unless it was there before the cactus was grown!

All I can say is if you haven't really looked for the maps discovery location's if you haven't found this. To bad, it would have made a good ending and beginning to this Video and the next. Finding a cross near where the maps were dug up by old Travis that old Rascal he wanted people to look all over for his holes of glory and the clues were right there all along waiting for whomever found the cross!

Haven't seen it Bill, but if it's "huge" I would think some have. I'm surprised it hasn't been hauled away by scrap hunters....especially if it's copper or bronze.
Might have been part of an old sign, for a church or something. There's a few places down that way with "copper" in their name......Copper Basin, Copper Mine Road...maybe even a "Copper Cross Saloon" at one time

 

[somehiker]

It's hidden so well that you can't see it unless your lined up with it. It looks old and covered in green corrosion!

I couldn't believe it was real at first. It was off in the distance and I never had the chance to film it up close. This was after I dug that pile of crap that yielded nothing but awful smells from the Kudamundi's nest!

It sits on a stone altar similar to the altar on the PSM. No cement just stones cut and placed in a hard packed pattern.

I have to investigate further next week. I took no Video this week out of respect for Ryan's release that's delayed. I still have the Video of the hidden rock piles I never posted if your interested in a short clip?

How many times is a cross depicted as a measuring tool or point in the PSM's?

This may be the true area the stones were found. Near some religious cult that wore pointy hats and road Horses that sported elephant trunks for a leg.

Yes the cross seems to be the key at least to important parts of the stones provenance and history of that area in an unknown just go with what's in front of you.

This thing is jumping out like the corner of a rock map you keep tripping over while searching for arrow heads!

I'm filming it next week as part of the Stone Maps key hiding place. I could see this real easy just Travis wanted everyone to get off their butts and really look for his location. I would have filmed the grave site exploration but it was a bust. Funny thing though it was surrounded by holes dug a long time ago.

I get the feeling I'm following in the footsteps of TT.

Have you visited and dug the fence line where the break in the fence exists? That spot you can tell has been dug but he didn't do it well and missed some spots.

No Bar ever existed near this cross no saloon no restaurant no gas station no way. Not enough money for flood control in Queens Creek. To many cactus for any of those spots unless it was there before the cactus was grown!

All I can say is if you haven't really looked for the maps discovery location's if you haven't found this. To bad, it would have made a good ending and beginning to this Video and the next. Finding a cross near where the maps were dug up by old Travis that old Rascal he wanted people to look all over for his holes of glory and the clues were right there all along waiting for whomever found the cross!

You'll have to get some photos/video of this cross and the base it's mounted on Bill, and post it for us to have a look see.
I haven't done anything more than a brief scouting of the other places folks say the stones were found, simply because I don't find those claims credible.
As Gary said, we shouldn't assume the Tumlinsons were lying, and both Travis and Robert said the stones were found at the QC bridge on US 60.
Those that chose to believe the stories of Mexican post hole diggers, cowboy jokesters et al , or made them up, have obviously been out to the other bridge and Black Point, to do a little digging themselves.....maybe even to add a little realism to their claims. All part of the "hell, I was there syndrome" I guess.
I would think that if someone wanted to mark the beginning of a "treasure trail" with something like a huge copper cross on a pedestal, then the rest of the trail must also be marked in the same way. This will certainly make it easy for you to follow the copper cross road right to the end of the story. Sounds like you are on your way.

The Whitlow Flood Control dam on Queen Creek was completed in 1960. Don't know if that will affect your theory though.

For me, the stone crosses have helped, at least the two same-size original crosses some of us have photos of. The copies are a bit larger ( Jim Hatts and the ones somebody else made and posed on a blue terry cloth) There are slight differences noticeable, aside from size, as is the case with the stone map copies.
The cross deeply chiseled into the back of the upper TS, matches the size and asymmetric profile of the "map cross",and IMHO that original cross was used to trace the outline before it was chiseled.....maybe even traced with the same pencil used for the heart on the PS.
Three other crosses are shown on the SM's, all at various angles. The small leaning cross out front of the horse, the cross between the two line on the priest's sleeve, and the larger cross held out in front. I believe all act as pointers, arranged as they should be used. Bilbrey mentioned....I think it was in the article from the Apache Sentinel, that the two crosses he found at his claim were different sizes, with one being larger and broken. Yet the photos in the article show two of the same size....chipped but not "broken". One of Bilbrey's friends, who had been out searching with Bilbrey and Ed Farr, had mentioned in a post on DUSA a third cross that Bilbrey had seen, but needed climbing gear to reach.( down, I would assume )
Could this have been the "larger and broken cross" Bilbrey spoke of in the news article ? Is that cross the one shown in the grasp of the priest ?

Regards:SH.

 

[Old]

Moving back to Ryan's preview picture of the PSM on display vs. the PSM on the bumper photo, post #636........anyone still believe museum stones are the originals? I sure don't.

Doubtful we can reach 100% agreement, but assuming we can agree they aren't the same, which set gives you the better details and why? If you believe they are different, why were certain features added? What useful information do the modifications provide? Or; what details were left out that hide important features?