Video 4 - The Peralta Stone Maps with Frank Augustine

[Azquester]

This 808 wouldn't pick up a Aircraft Carrier down ten feet. If you don't keep the set screws tight on the antenna loops the thing balances out major targets!

I had to dig that dang fake grave like grave digger today because of this!

Some Hiker was correct the pile was only a scraping from some source but even in todays record heat I went further and looked more for the clues to the stone maps original hiding place. One thing though the fake grave was surrounded by dig holes weird.

We searched more near where I found the Cowboy Coffee pot and found more old artifacts, cans mainly. Found a rock with a natural hole in it I had placed there from before and forgot it.
But the most intriguing find of the day was not here but near the old highway 60 bridge.

Now it gets very interesting.

What does that old majorly huge copper Christian cross have to do with the Peralta Stone Maps?

Has no one made this discovery?

Anyone?

Bill, the linage of the whites 808 = Origionly the 3-d instrument with a manual ground canceling, then the Discovery with auto balancing, then the white 808. They all degenerted in sensitivity after the 3-D and the manual ground balancing.

With my 3-D i could pick up an 8 real silver coin under perhaps 2-3 inces of dirt, with the Discovery perhaps 1", with the whites surface only. However the 808 is still a fine machine.

 

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[cw0909]

Ryan, not sure how far, you are in your film on the stones.
I was wondering if you could try something to determine age
of the stones., and include it in the film.
I know its a late idea, and if you just cant work it in, maybe
another film at a later time .
While doing research on how and what tools to carve stone, i
got the idea, since you have seen them up close, you may be
able to do a comparison, of monument stones, i know, not real
pleasant and those stones are granite,and wear dif than sandstone.
i think you would only need the carving, of the yrs of death and birth,
no full name. i dont want you or the idea to be disrespectful. not sure
how old the oldest stones are close to you, but i was thinking the yrs,
1849,or older if you could find one, yrs..1860,1889,1909,1929,1939,
1949,1959, 1965.

if the monuments are a little much,maybe i can do some research, on
buildings in the area, that had a date carved on them for comparison,
and you could do another film later.
if later save the footage from the museum stones.

 

[cw0909]

sorry forgot the research

carving stone links
some history on stone carving
Carved In Stone


links showing the above history


Pneumatic Tools - Hammer and Drill
not general public use until the 1920s
In the 1920s, two pneumatic devices were invented that would permanently
change the way metal and stone were hammered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_hammer_(fabrication)#History


rotary tool, 1930s
Dremel History


this was used 1930s -1960s then the blaster was automated
Traditional Sandblasting PERFECT Headstones
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0C8AuuW7NIzFANkOWV8_gQ


HAND CARVING
Cutting a Letter in Stone
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpI9kjnavd2QHg0EHRyUzNQ
Hand Carving stone lettering
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN2dT1edz4veIdMdaGof4cQ


learning the craft, 1hr but informative
Mastercrafts part 6 of 6 - Stonemasonry
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6LJQOAaGj2lyHLGlQnhhtU2EDllIFxOu


what was known in 1803, pgs 327-370
i think the whole book is interesting
http://tinyurl.com/pqksab6

 

[azdave35]

sorry forgot the research

carving stone links
some history on stone carving
Carved In Stone


links showing the above history


Pneumatic Tools - Hammer and Drill
not general public use until the 1920s
In the 1920s, two pneumatic devices were invented that would permanently
change the way metal and stone were hammered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_hammer_(fabrication)#History


rotary tool, 1930s
Dremel History


this was used 1930s -1960s then the blaster was automated
Traditional Sandblasting PERFECT Headstones
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0C8AuuW7NIzFANkOWV8_gQ


HAND CARVING
Cutting a Letter in Stone
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpI9kjnavd2QHg0EHRyUzNQ
Hand Carving stone lettering
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN2dT1edz4veIdMdaGof4cQ


learning the craft, 1hr but informative
Mastercrafts part 6 of 6 - Stonemasonry
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6LJQOAaGj2lyHLGlQnhhtU2EDllIFxOu


what was known in 1803, pgs 327-370
i think the whole book is interesting
http://tinyurl.com/pqksab6

all that research has already been done by A.S.U. and other universities....it would take more time and money than ryan has to put into this project....check with the universities if your really want to know

 

[Azquester]

What Ryan?

You have a photographic memory too?

I also possess a Photographic Memory!

It ran out of film long ago!

Someone on a quest for truth - with a photographic memory - and an ability to see things that don't match up.

And a great iPhone!

 

[cw0909]

all that research has already been done by A.S.U. and other universities....it would take more time and money than ryan has to put into this project....check with the universities if your really want to know

i didnt mean for Ryan to try all the stone cutting methods i found researching
i meant compare already carved monument stones, in the yrs i posted, as the
research says what tools/methods were available per yr/decade, and the already
available carved stones should be comparable to the PSM stones Ryan saw

post of the compare idea
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...tone-maps-frank-augustine-44.html#post4566782

 

[captain1965]

A tough one, but it's been located.
Three symbols. A carved heart and a triangle, of the same size, with a smaller circle in circle just below. All on the same large boulder.
Latin as well, with one word which does not appear on the drawing.
Although eroded somewhat by time and the elements, it is as close to "Perficio" as one could expect it to be.

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Cursvm Perficio

“My journey ends here.”

Fornix

“Arch/Vault”

Mevs

“Mine/My/Belonging to me”

Adjective Possessive, as in “It is*mine.”, “That’s*my*stuff. ”

Favces

Literally means “throat” in LatinA channel, or gullet(mining, quarrying) a preliminary cut in excavating, wide enough to take the vehicle that removes the earth.A preparatory cut or channel in excavations, of sufficient width for the passage of earth wagons

Mecvlla



*

…uorum Eccla fulget ut sole luna

[q]uorum [doctrina] Eccl[esi]a fulget ut sole luna.

*

Latin Context:

Isti sunt viri sancti quos elegit dominus in caritate non ficta et dedit illis gloriam sempiternam*quorum doctrina fulget ecclesia ut sole luna.

*

Translation:

These men are saints, whom the Lord hath elected in charity unfeigned, and hath given them glory everlasting,*by whose doctrine the Church is made to shine as does the moon by the sun.

*

Notes on*“in charity”

In a Christian theological context “charity” means more than a mere hand-out. It is held as one of the 3 virtues along with Faith, and Hope, and is often translated as “love.” Thomas Aquinas describes it as a sort of unifying love of God, and therefore, each other, that friends and neighbors share, and God's love for them.

 

[somehiker]

That's good cap. I like it.
Now try replacing the "NOTO" with all or most of that...

"MEDULLA"

The words are descriptive, and do not appear on the rock.
As such, they make more sense now..... At least to myself.
The additional word as well.

Regards:SH.

 

[deducer]

…uorum Eccla fulget ut sole luna

[q]uorum [doctrina] Eccl[esi]a fulget ut sole luna.

*

Latin Context:

Isti sunt viri sancti quos elegit dominus in caritate non ficta et dedit illis gloriam sempiternam*quorum doctrina fulget ecclesia ut sole luna.

*

Translation:

These men are saints, whom the Lord hath elected in charity unfeigned, and hath given them glory everlasting,*by whose doctrine the Church is made to shine as does the moon by the sun.

*

Notes on*“in charity”

In a Christian theological context “charity” means more than a mere hand-out. It is held as one of the 3 virtues along with Faith, and Hope, and is often translated as “love.” Thomas Aquinas describes it as a sort of unifying love of God, and therefore, each other, that friends and neighbors share, and God's love for them.

Excellent!

That is pretty much the same translation I came up with for that particular phrase. The Eccl-a being at the time, a typical abbreviation of Ecclesia (Church). Note that quorum is the plural of the Latin qui so it's not necessarily a "whom," but is also a "which" especially when neutral. So that line without doctrina for me, is:

[That by] which the church is made to shine as the moon does by [the light of] the sun."

That intentionally isolated line has a double, and metaphorical meaning, and in fact I consider it the most important part of understanding the CP equation in that it not only is a clue as to the nature of that which is at the end of the journey (cursum perficio) but also a clue as to how it was perceived by those who put it there.

St. Thomas of Aquinas was a proponent of natural theology and a key influence on the shaping of a certain curriculum.

 

[UncleMatt]

I would like to see someone try to recreate the stone maps using nothing more than simple hand tools: a hammer and some chisels. Any stone carvers reading here? If so, sound off.

 

[Old]

....You have no idea who we are. .......

That right there speaks volumes. No, I don't.

Those that make extraordinary claims bear the burden of extraordinary proof. Them's the rules. That applies to all people, even the ones that think very highly of themselves. When you and your group are in a position to provide that extraordinary proof, I too may think very highly of you. Until then its just another fantastic unsubstantiated story.

Until you provide that proof, please don't talk down, ridicule and belittle others that follow that same path of discovery.

 

[captain1965]

How did this thread turn into Bigfoot? I don't believe Ryan made a video on bigfoot. Do the Peralta Stone maps lead to Bigfoot Gold?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Please put thread back on topic.....

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Post deleted, KX did you accidentally miss my post requesting thread be put back on topic.

 

[captain1965]

That's good cap. I like it.
Now try replacing the "NOTO" with all or most of that...

"MEDULLA"

The words are descriptive, and do not appear on the rock.
As such, they make more sense now..... At least to myself.
The additional word as well.

Regards:SH.

Thank you SH

Could not make out MEDULLA.

Jon

 

[KXMember]

We posted at the same time TH and I stated in my post to leave Bigfoot out of this thread. Would be much appreciated you not delete posts. Otherwise delete all my posts.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

We posted at the same time TH and I stated in my post to leave Bigfoot out of this thread. Would be much appreciated you not delete posts. Otherwise delete all my posts.

KX, I deleted all posts that were off topic, not just your posts...

Per TreasureNet rules ever member agrees to by posting here..

" Posts should be suitable for all ages, on topic, concise, and courteous."

" We make no guarantees as to the lifespan of a post or thread, or attachment. We reserve the right to delete any post at any time for any reason."

 

[Azquester]

I confess, I made the Peralta Stones.


I used my trusty pen knife a #2 pencil and an old log as my hammer.
They taught us how in Boy Scouts we used to make road signs with shale and carved local tombstones when the cemetery was backed up.

I come up with the idea one day while watching Mr Mago after a Mr Ed marathon.

I buried them with full honors in a pasture north of the Rio.

Travis found them one day and believed they were real.

Kidding no Bigfoot here!

In reality I don't think it would be that hard but it would take some skills for such small groves not to tear up the stone if it was a hard rock.

Has anyone tested the PSM stones for hardness?

When I was young and had my old trusty Geology Kit you would test a stones hardness by a streak test. This gave you a category for comparison. Specific Gravity was tested by weight in water. Reason being if you know the hardness of the main stone you may be able to figure out what sort of tool it took to create them which may help to date them.

I would like to see someone try to recreate the stone maps using nothing more than simple hand tools: a hammer and some chisels. Any stone carvers reading here? If so, sound off.

 

[azdave35]

I confess, I made the Peralta Stones.


I used my trusty pen knife a #2 pencil and an old log as my hammer.
They taught us how in Boy Scouts we used to make road signs with shale and carved local tombstones when the cemetery was backed up.

I come up with the idea one day while watching Mr Mago after a Mr Ed marathon.

I buried them with full honors in a pasture north of the Rio.

Travis found them one day and believed they were real.

Kidding no Bigfoot here!

In reality I don't think it would be that hard but it would take some skills for such small groves not to tear up the stone if it was a hard rock.

Has anyone tested the PSM stones for hardness?

When I was young and had my old trusty Geology Kit you would test a stones hardness by a streak test. This gave you a category for comparison. Specific Gravity was tested by weight in water. Reason being if you know the hardness of the main stone . You may be able to figure out what sort of tool it took to create them which may help to date them.

no need for a gravity test..they are sandstone....very soft stone...you could almost carve them with a fingernail

 

[Azquester]

I don't know if the Bigfoot thing was directed at me but before I became a Treasure Hunter I was famous Bigfoot Hunter.

It don't bother me I made peace with him and now we've moved on. He only comes when I call him. It wasn't me this time though someone else called him out!

I never had my question answered, what has the huge bronze or copper cross have to do with the Peralta Stone Maps? It's right there at one of the site's of the maps discovery and matches the cross on the back of the stones.

Could it be this is the place you start from? Has anyone ever heard of this Cross and what does it have to do with the PSM burials? I found two new holes dug nearby it may be yet another possible location of the discovery.

I was going to show it but I fear it may unleash a humanoid man beast!

The stones depict many references to the a cross of some sort and location. This one is hidden and very old!