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True, PTSD is NOT just to be associated with combat vets. I would say that ANYONE that has suffered, what to them, was a traumatic episode would have it to one degree or another. I'll even submit that, if you were to hold a balloon in front of a 3-year-olds face there wouldn't be much reaction except for maybe a smile or a showing of curiosity. Now, pop that balloon in front of the child's face and you'll at least startle him and maybe even bring him to tears. They won't all respond the same. Thing is, if you then put another balloon in front of his face he will, at least, squint his eyes and wince or maybe even cry again without the balloon even being popped. I would call that a form of PTSD. I would also say that most of us have suffered from PTSD in one form or another. Now, shall we take guns away from just those that have seeked help or just take everyone's guns? I'm not trying to lessen the seriousness of the VERY TRAUMATIC experiences of many, just pointing out that I believe there are degrees of the affliction.
I remember viewing a study that was done by some self-acclaimed brainiacs showing that the intelligence difference between humans and animals was that humans had the power of deduction. That is, basically, they could add and subtract. Funny thing though, I had a golden retriever that, if I threw a tennis ball over my roof and into the back yard, my dog would run around the house, fetch it and bring it back to me. I could then show her 2 tennis balls and then throw them both over the roof. She would run around to the back and pick up one ball and then look for the other one and bring them BOTH back. Hmmmmmmmm
HEY!........Welcome back Dano, missed ya! :)
 

packerbacker said:
True, PTSD is NOT just to be associated with combat vets. I would say that ANYONE that has suffered, what to them, was a traumatic episode would have it to one degree or another. I'll even submit that, if you were to hold a balloon in front of a 3-year-olds face there wouldn't be much reaction except for maybe a smile or a showing of curiosity. Now, pop that balloon in front of the child's face and you'll at least startle him and maybe even bring him to tears. They won't all respond the same. Thing is, if you then put another balloon in front of his face he will, at least, squint his eyes and wince or maybe even cry again without the balloon even being popped. I would call that a form of PTSD. I would also say that most of us have suffered from PTSD in one form or another. Now, shall we take guns away from just those that have seeked help or just take everyone's guns? I'm not trying to lessen the seriousness of the VERY TRAUMATIC experiences of many, just pointing out that I believe there are degrees of the affliction.
I remember viewing a study that was done by some self-acclaimed brainiacs showing that the intelligence difference between humans and animals was that humans had the power of deduction. That is, basically, they could add and subtract. Funny thing though, I had a golden retriever that, if I threw a tennis ball over my roof and into the back yard, my dog would run around the house, fetch it and bring it back to me. I could then show her 2 tennis balls and then throw them both over the roof. She would run around to the back and pick up one ball and then look for the other one and bring them BOTH back. Hmmmmmmmm
HEY!........Welcome back Dano, missed ya! :)
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PackerBacker: I like where you went with this. Your balloon example is better described as behavioral learning and conditioning. B.F. Skinner was the pioneer that started that paradigm. A lot of good stuff came out of it. Especially how to parent children effectively.
 

Crispin said:
PackerBacker: I like where you went with this. Your balloon example is better described as behavioral learning and conditioning. B.F. Skinner was the pioneer that started that paradigm. A lot of good stuff came out of it. Especially how to parent children effectively.
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Hmmm... wasn't HIS kid raised in a cage or something...?
 

Cris....the reason I went to the balloon story was to point out how these "studies" of behavior etc. are usually conducted by a bunch of self-proclaimed intellectuals that make generalizations of why people are having mental issues whether it be PTSD, depression, suicidal thoughts etc, etc.
Recondigger seems to be totally aware he has a problem and is in total control of it. Why is he being told to get help? Apparently he has. Another question I have is, why are there so many different organizations that vets are told they should seek help from? If the government-controlled VA is so great, why should a vet have a need to look elsewhere? I have delt with the VA and was initially turned away at the door.................twice. The second time I told the lady I wasn't going to beg for anything, then she wanted to listen and I walked out. The VA is needed to direct the financial help but everything else needs to be handled by non-government people.
 

packerbacker said:
Cris....the reason I went to the balloon story was to point out how these "studies" of behavior etc. are usually conducted by a bunch of self-proclaimed intellectuals that make generalizations of why people are having mental issues whether it be PTSD, depression, suicidal thoughts etc, etc.
Recondigger seems to be totally aware he has a problem and is in total control of it. Why is he being told to get help? Apparently he has. Another question I have is, why are there so many different organizations that vets are told they should seek help from? If the government-controlled VA is so great, why should a vet have a need to look elsewhere? I have delt with the VA and was initially turned away at the door.................twice. The second time I told the lady I wasn't going to beg for anything, then she wanted to listen and I walked out. The VA is needed to direct the financial help but everything else needs to be handled by non-government people.
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Yeah, the VA is not a perfect system. Everybody, including the VA, agrees with that. Nobody with PTSD is in "total control" of their symptoms...nobody. It is hard to understand if you do not work with vets with PTSD. Heck, I've been doing this for 12 years and I still struggle with it at times. Having PTSD is like having a commando in your brain that can blitz your emotions at any time.
Best,
Crispin
 

Crispin said:
Yeah, the VA is not a perfect system. Everybody, including the VA, agrees with that. Nobody with PTSD is in "total control" of their symptoms...nobody. It is hard to understand if you do not work with vets with PTSD. Heck, I've been doing this for 12 years and I still struggle with it at times. Having PTSD is like having a commando in your brain that can blitz your emotions at any time.
Best,
Crispin
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AGREE! TXing PTSD... IS tough; and VICARIOUS TRAUMA for the families... WHOO!
 

It's the public that needs PTSD education. Ever since Vietnam our vets, especially the combat vets, have been looked at as short-fused maniacs that will explode at any moment. Many of the tv serail shows continually create a suspect or criminal that was a combat vet suffering from PTSD or "shellshock" and that's why he's a criminal. The audience then knows the killer is a real nutjob! THAT'S how our vets are treated by Hollywood.
 

packerbacker said:
It's the public that needs PTSD education. Ever since Vietnam our vets, especially the combat vets, have been looked at as short-fused maniacs that will explode at any moment. Many of the tv serail shows continually create a suspect or criminal that was a combat vet suffering from PTSD or "shellshock" and that's why he's a criminal. The audience then knows the killer is a real nutjob! THAT'S how our vets are treated by Hollywood.
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Hollywood is full of liberals.....
 

Crispin said:
Everybody keeps telling me to open my eyes. How do these people think I'm reading my computer? Braille? Sheesh...makes no sense.
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I don't know,there is braille on drive thru ATM machines.:tongue3:
 

Crispin said:
Everybody keeps telling me to open my eyes. How do these people think I'm reading my computer? Braille? Sheesh...makes no sense.
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As an observation I do find it interested those who accuse others of needed to "open their eyes".
 

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