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VA saying Vets with PTSD unable to own guns

remus13 said:
Just cause you have PTSD doesn't mean you are crazy. I take offense to that comment seeing as I am an OIF vet with PTSD. I am also labeled as not a threat and therefore am allowed my 2nd amendment rights. (For now) PTSD is treated as a mental thing but its technically not even a disorder, and at my VA they say its has been misnamed. Psych disorders are constant. PTSD is not constant as it goes into remission with therapy. If you never served in Combat then as it is obvious you wouldn't know. Before you slander veterans both active and retired remember it was us who gave you the freedom to participate in every one of the adventures you take part in on this forum. A little respect is all we ask for, not a ticker tape parade.
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Remus: Thank you for your service! I want to give you another perspective on how PTSD is viewed by the medical community.
1. PTSD is not just in combat vets. Sadly, the most common reason for PTSD is children who are ritualistically physically and sexually abused. I do not want to go further into this.
2. PTSD is permanent. It causes damage to the brain that can never be fully healed. Once somebody develops PTSD they will have some degree of nightmares, flashbacks, hypervigilance, and avoidance for the rest of their lives. It can be treated and lessened with medications and therapy; however, it can never be cured.
3. PTSD is a mental thing because it is in the brain; however, it is also a physical thing. Severe trauma causes release of chemicals in the brain that damage the grey/white mater.
4. PTSD cannot truly be in remission. Remission is for cancer. PTSD is always there at some level...even when symptoms are dramatically reduced.

Thanks,
Crispin
 

BosnMate said:
I got the information below in an email today. It sounds serious.

Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.
Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.
Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.
The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.
The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.
-- Michael Connelly, J.D.
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Crispim, check this out please, as I was harassed at work 40 years at New Bedford Mass, Welfare Office for honorable discharge and being too nice to people in need of public assistance. Gestapo tactics often used for closed door meetings for strong and veteran, educated workers. They thought we were dumpster divers? "not safe around women and children" 40 years of nonsense! No Civil Service exam for the Directors or other non-vet higher ups! I retired to find relief and it's like I was never there for 40+ years now?Hey Crispim:View attachment 746560During my last 10 years there was slander, libel and defamation of character, and I thought about the ACLU to file a lawsuit. I left on 2009, is it too late? ie, I was treated like a "scape-goat" when things went "poof" or Dumpster was on fire,etc. Union was as much good as the AWOL VA! HH Boris, and keep up the good work!, I only did So. Korea for 13 months, and got out after 20 months! 20130222_112827.webp
 

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Crispin said:
Remus: Thank you for your service! I want to give you another perspective on how PTSD is viewed by the medical community.
1. PTSD is not just in combat vets. Sadly, the most common reason for PTSD is children who are ritualistically physically and sexually abused. I do not want to go further into this.
2. PTSD is permanent. It causes damage to the brain that can never be fully healed. Once somebody develops PTSD they will have some degree of nightmares, flashbacks, hypervigilance, and avoidance for the rest of their lives. It can be treated and lessened with medications and therapy; however, it can never be cured.
3. PTSD is a mental thing because it is in the brain; however, it is also a physical thing. Severe trauma causes release of chemicals in the brain that damage the grey/white mater.
4. PTSD cannot truly be in remission. Remission is for cancer. PTSD is always there at some level...even when symptoms are dramatically reduced.

Thanks,
Crispin
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AGREE! ALL very true... we do "PAIN" Management... COMBAT PTSD is TOUGH; MORE important than just a "gun issue".

MORE COMBAT PTSD-related RESOURCES: "google" AFTER-EFFECTS of COMBAT PTSD.
 

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wwildman, no offense but maybe if you could write out a legible sentence, people would not take you the wrong way.

This is a shame what is happening to our vets, but if you didnt see this coming, you really do have your head in the sand... DHS has been labeling vets as domestic terrorists for quite a while now... Wake up ppl... jump out of that pot of boiling water already...

Also, I wonder if there is any connection with mental illness, and these man made chemical cocktails/narcotics they shove down everybodies throats... america does have a drug problem, they blindly take them... Ahh what am I talking about, these pharma companies run our govt, nothing will happen.

Also, here is a segment of the Alex Jones show from yesterday, he took calls from vets who have recieved these letters.
 

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I'm not in agreement with PTSD being permanent,yes,it is from traumatic experience,look at it this way, we are meant to experience life,but,when life's experiences get stuck in our brain followed by emotional upset of that experience we start sinking in our thinking reliving that trauma in the mind. Humans need to break free of this cycle,but,not by effort,but,by calmly observing those thoughts,they are not real,yes it did happen,but in the mind fueled by upset we relive the past,and,worry about the future,missing true LIFE.There is only NOW,in the moment,no past,no future only NOW. Coping Stratiges have helped many vets overcome this. GodBless Chris US Army Chaplain recommends CD
 

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COMBAT VETS... have YOU received a letter from the V.A. on this...? PLEASE share... THANKS!
 

Infowarrior said:
wwildman, no offense but maybe if you could write out a legible sentence, people would not take you the wrong way.

This is a shame what is happening to our vets, but if you didnt see this coming, you really do have your head in the sand... DHS has been labeling vets as domestic terrorists for quite a while now... Wake up ppl... jump out of that pot of boiling water already...

Also, I wonder if there is any connection with mental illness, and these man made chemical cocktails/narcotics they shove down everybodies throats... america does have a drug problem, they blindly take them... Ahh what am I talking about, these pharma companies run our govt, nothing will happen.

Also, here is a segment of the Alex Jones show from yesterday, he took calls from vets who have recieved these letters.
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"Well i'm a veteran of desert storm and i recieved this letter in my mail....but enough of that. I'd just like to say that i've been taking your "Doc Jones' cure all elixir" for a while now and my PTSD is gone, i've lost all my flabby blubber and my home town has given me a blue suit with a large "S" on it and officially changed my name to "superman"!

Alex- "Oh i know man. This stuff is amazing! It cures cancer, liver disease,frostbite, rabies, and will turn you into a total raving lunatic just like me! Wonderful stuff, buy it at infowars.com shop.

:censored: Seriously?

This guy could teach new tricks to TV evangelists about ripping people off and treating them like mushrooms!
 

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Dano Sverige said:
"Well i'm a veteran of desert storm and i recieved this letter in my mail....but enough of that. I'd just like to say that i've been taking your "Doc Jones' cure all elixir" for a while now and my PTSD is gone, i've lost all my flabby blubber and my home town has given me a blue suit with a large "S" on it and officially changed my name to "superman"!

Alex- "Oh i know man. This stuff is amazing! It cures cancer, liver disease,frostbite, rabies, and will turn you into a total raving lunatic just like me! Wonderful stuff, buy it at infowars.com shop.

:censored:!!! Seriously?

This guy could teach new tricks to TV evangelists about ripping people off and treating them like mushrooms!
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LOL! YEP! Covered with :censored: and grown in the dark...
 

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Crispin said:
Remus: Thank you for your service! I want to give you another perspective on how PTSD is viewed by the medical community.
1. PTSD is not just in combat vets. Sadly, the most common reason for PTSD is children who are ritualistically physically and sexually abused. I do not want to go further into this.
2. PTSD is permanent. It causes damage to the brain that can never be fully healed. Once somebody develops PTSD they will have some degree of nightmares, flashbacks, hypervigilance, and avoidance for the rest of their lives. It can be treated and lessened with medications and therapy; however, it can never be cured.
3. PTSD is a mental thing because it is in the brain; however, it is also a physical thing. Severe trauma causes release of chemicals in the brain that damage the grey/white mater.
4. PTSD cannot truly be in remission. Remission is for cancer. PTSD is always there at some level...even when symptoms are dramatically reduced.

Thanks,
Crispin
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AGREE! It's a TRAUMA thing... NOTHING ZEN about it!
 

Please Watch the language, using *,#,$,& or any other character to bypass censor will not work. Using abbreviations will not work either, I will delete the post if it does this from now on...
 

Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) If, and when the United States Government decides it can delve into our private medical records, there will be Civil suits brought immediately. If you are mentally incompetent, you should be under constant care, not walking the street with a gun, or locked up in a county or state prison.
We have some big problems, and some very small men and women in Washington, some of whom should be under constant care.
 

Terry Soloman said:
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) If, and when the United States Government decides it can delve into our private medical records, there will be Civil suits brought immediately. If you are mentally incompetent, you should be under constant care, not walking the street with a gun, or locked up in a county or state prison.
We have some big problems, and some very small men and women in Washington, some of whom should be under constant care.
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LOL! YET! They WERE elected...
 

Well I hope people on here get some education about combat related PTSD and maybe are able to understand what some of us go through. And for the record if the day ever came that UN troops were deployed in my country your darn right I would protect it I swore to.
 

Recon, thank you for your service,.

It is just the Liberals in government trying to disarm the people with the most experience in fighting in case something happens...The fools in government do not realize what they are dealing with...
 

More chance of the Senagalese boy scout movement being deployed. You have nothing we want. ;)
 

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