VA saying Vets with PTSD unable to own guns

i see right now you all only read what you want
 

so i guess your saying that i wasnt asked to define

Yes you were asked to define crazy. But to say that people who have PTSD are really unstable saying even more or just as unstable as the other ones you mentioned was where you went over the edge
 

I got the information below in an email today. It sounds serious.

Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.

How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.
What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?
That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.
The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.
Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.
Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.
The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.
The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.
-- Michael Connelly, J.D.

WON'T happen... VIOLATION of USDOJ Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act (1973); Discrimination Codes apply.

Crispin, I feel the govt should not be denying veterans their second amendment rights, especially without explanation. I heard this on xm today IRN radio network.
Veterans are now in danger of losing an important civil right

Many of America’s warriors are now receiving a chilling letter from the VA notifying them that they may have their ability to conduct their financial affairs placed in the hands of someone approved by the government. That is not all they would lose if they are declared incompetent to handle their finances. According to the letter they would also lose their right to own a firearm. Possession of arms and/or ammunition will, according to the VA, result in fines and prison time. What puts a veteran on the list of incompetents? The VA will not share the details of the process, but those who are subject to the loss of their rights are allowed to challenge the finding through a lengthy and expensive appeals process.

I believe it really has nothing to do with PTSD,It more likely has to do with veterans earmarked as being under suspicion of being domestic terrorists.

NOT yet! Veterans Administration is TOTALLY Fed funded; Vets with Disabilities get SSDI... TOTALLY Fed Funded; Violation of Section 504 Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (USDoJ). DAV, Wounded Warriors are on this NOW!
Crispin, RJC, Reb, if there is something that we can do, please direct us with factual knowledge and resources.

I've yet to employ the ignore feature at this sight. I may at this time, to see just how effective it is.
 

im sorry ive got a few friends with ptsd and thats the way they are im not saying everyone with ptsd is that way havnt been around others that have it again im sorry
 


Get Treatment... counseling, PEER counseling (from OTHER vets who's been there/done that...), exercise/sports activities... then for "significant other" (wife, girl-friend), children: counseling/PEER counseling (for VICARIOUS Trauma)...
 

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Crispin, RJC, Reb, if there is something that we can do, please direct us with factual knowledge and resources.

I've yet to employ the ignore feature at this sight. I may at this time, to see just how effective it is.

WHAT are you asking for...? Resources for what...?
 

im sorry ive got a few friends with ptsd and thats the way they are im not saying everyone with ptsd is that way havnt been around others that have it again im sorry

Stop...it is over. Nothing left to say. New topic, moving on...

PTC: Rebel can advise on resources, I can direct to proper medical treatment. Not sure what RJC can do, but I welcome his knowledge.
 

im sorry ive got a few friends with ptsd and thats the way they are im not saying everyone with ptsd is that way havnt been around others that have it again im sorry

I have PTSD... BAD! (Ask wife...)... BUT! She knows MY "triggers"; I give her adequate "warnings"... so far, so good. Know your "boundaries" (personal space); let others know. EVERYONE can get Treatment for PTSD; even some meds for after-effects of PTSD are available. I am MORE into Herbs, alternative ways of dealing with some "after-effects"; DISCIPLINE & MEDITATION (Buddhist Way of Life). It is ALL about TRAUMA & SUFFERING.
 

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Reb, my father was very active in letter writing and phone calls to our congressmens, represenetives, and elected officials, to get things done. I have no qualms about calling my elected officials either (not that they listen to me, but......).
If enough people voice opposition and question some of the governments decisions, then maybe we can stop injustices, before they happen. That's kinda sorta what I meant. Would it be better to sit and do nothing?

RJC seems to know where to find certain laws, statutes, etc..... Knowledge applied is power.
I just so hate see injustices against those that get labeled by others, that know not what they are talking about.
 

I just so hate see injustices against those that get labeled by others, that know not what they are talking about.

The only problem Pat cat is its the government itself thats doing the labeling.This has nothing to do with PTSD.DHS has all vets labeled as potential domestic terrorists.Because of their knowledge of warfare.Theyre afraid of the vets training others,militias etc.
 

I typed a reply P-T-C, but got BUMPED OFF! Will respond tomorrow w/o "Conspiracy BS". Check WOUNDED WARRIOR web-site, DISABLED AMERICAN VETS "site", PARALYZED VETS OF AMERICA "site" to see if YOU can help...
 

I typed a reply P-T-C, but got BUMPED OFF! Will respond tomorrow w/o "Conspiracy BS". Check WOUNDED WARRIOR web-site, DISABLED AMERICAN VETS "site", PARALYZED VETS OF AMERICA "site" to see if YOU can help...
That's a good start and thanks for the direction.
 

the way i see it crazy people dont need guns

Just cause you have PTSD doesn't mean you are crazy. I take offense to that comment seeing as I am an OIF vet with PTSD. I am also labeled as not a threat and therefore am allowed my 2nd amendment rights. (For now) PTSD is treated as a mental thing but its technically not even a disorder, and at my VA they say its has been misnamed. Psych disorders are constant. PTSD is not constant as it goes into remission with therapy. If you never served in Combat then as it is obvious you wouldn't know. Before you slander veterans both active and retired remember it was us who gave you the freedom to participate in every one of the adventures you take part in on this forum. A little respect is all we ask for, not a ticker tape parade.
 

Welcome to the forum remus13 and thank you for your service! I can assure you there is great respect for veterans on this forum.
 

I'm a member of the local American Legion Post. We are all war time veterans, but not all are combat veterans, and that includes me. However I have many friends that are combat veterans, some with purple hearts, one with a bronze star. I seems like most all the combat veterans are being treated at the local VA hospital for PTSD. Some of the Vietnam vets have crawled out of the bottle and are living wonderful sober lives, married, have children and are happy. They also own guns and hunt. Some are medicated, most aren't, and I don't worry one iota about any of them owning guns. The American Legion is an organization of veterans helping veterans and none of those guys should be deprived the right to own firearms and hunt, even if they are in treatment, there is nothing crazy about them. Out of all of my veteran friends there is only one that should never be allowed to own a gun, and he's not a combat veteran, he barely got out of boot camp and fell down a ladder, (that's stairs to the land lubbers, aboard ship they are ladders, just sailor talk) and landed on his head. He's disabled and has a third person that is supposed to watch over him, but he does dope every chance he gets, so he shouldn't and doesn't have a firearm, along with a whole lot of doper civilians in our society that also shouldn't ever be armed. But he's the only veteran I know that shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. There are veterans all around every one of you that have PTSD, and you don't even know it. When I posted this I was a bit worried that my friends were the guys being targeted, and I was a little more than upset. However, the way Crispin described how it's supposed to work, I feel a lot better, but I'm still a bit worried. I have the privilege of associating with a number of hero's, and they don't need any BS from a bunch of ungrateful liberals.
 

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And your right a government that is thinking of doing crazy crap would not want us that have years of unconventional warfare training to have guns that could stop them.

Why would they bother doing that? They know Red James would just pass you a couple from his armoury and away you'd both go merrily whistling "yankee Doodle" to shoot the UN troops! Ridiculous notion!

To me, if someone's diagnosed with PTSD then they're "unstable", and unstable people shouldn't be around guns. Common sense really? Besides, a couple of "unstable" vets get these letters and suddenly RJC and his kind pounce on it and start screaming "every living vet can't have guns now! Revolt!!!" etc. It's laughable!
 

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