The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[deducer]

We also know that the family lied to Garry/Larry. They said that Travis had never been to the Supers looking to solve the Stone Maps. Robert Garman was very familiar with both Travis T and Robert T, and he said that both of them had been in the Supers many times trying to solve the Stone Maps.

I said from the beginning that I think the family has just gotten tired of treasure hunters searching out the family and asking a bunch of questions, poking and prodding everyone for info. The easiest way to make all that end is to say that they saw Travis carve the stone maps and it was all a hoax. If people believe that, then they lose interest and quit pestering the family.

Mike

There is reason to believe that the real Trail Stones are in fact, still with the family.

Despite their "professed lack of interest," I believe that they will most certainly come forward to try and claim their share, once whatever is at the end of the trail maps is unearthed. Possessing two of the original stones would be proof of provenance, and give them a realistic shot at a share of the loot.

It would be real interesting to get a glimpse of the manuscript that Travis wrote, but was never published.

 

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[johnmark29020]

Better question. Why would he take a chance on breaking the. Original maps on the trail. Take a chance of losing the only directions he owned. I know I wouldn't.
Why rock instead of paper. Who knows. Why did mexican miners make maps out of stone in the first place. If they really did.

 

[deducer]

Better question. Why would he take a chance on breaking the. Original maps on the trail. Take a chance of losing the only directions he owned. I know I wouldn't.
Why rock instead of paper. Who knows. Why did mexican miners make maps out of stone in the first place. If they really did.

What proof is there that these Stone Maps were made by Mexican miners?

 

[johnmark29020]

There is reason to believe that the real Trail Stones are in fact, still with the family.

Despite their "professed lack of interest," I believe that they will most certainly come forward to try and claim their share, once whatever is at the end of the trail maps is unearthed. Possessing two of the original stones would be proof of provenance, and give them a realistic shot at a share of the loot.

It would be real interesting to get a glimpse of the manuscript that Travis wrote, but was never published.

I agree with you. Kinda like dick holmes releasing clues to the dutchman hoping whoever found them would come running back to him.

 

[johnmark29020]

What proof is there that these Stone Maps were made by Mexican miners?

None. Thats why I said if they did.
I personally think these maps were made by a local.

 

[deducer]

None. Thats why I said if they did.
I personally think these maps were made by a local.

In sorting fact from fiction, one must ask some pretty direct questions, even challenging the status quo, such as the popular notion that the Stone Maps have anything to do with the LDM, the Peraltas, or even mines in general.

Of equal merit, in addition to really studying the Stone Maps, is to think about who made them and why.

 

[johnmark29020]

In sorting fact from fiction, one must ask some pretty direct questions, even challenging the status quo, such as the popular notion that the Stone Maps have anything to do with the LDM, the Peraltas, or even mines in general.

Of equal merit, in addition to really studying the Stone Maps, is to think about who made them and why.

I total agree. I find it very hard to believe that mexican miners made stone maps. The big clue for me was adolf ruth. He received a mexican map from his son. Who re portly received it from a family in mexico.
Adolfs map was paper. I guess the stone maps could have been made on location for the purpose of making quick copies. Like a rubbing,but thats just a guess.
I really dont see travis risking the original searching for gold. I was there for a week last spring,and I was constantly dropping things.

 

[Springfield]

Originally Posted by deducer

In sorting fact from fiction, one must ask some pretty direct questions, even challenging the status quo, such as the popular notion that the Stone Maps have anything to do with the LDM, the Peraltas, or even mines in general.

Of equal merit, in addition to really studying the Stone Maps, is to think about who made them and why.

deducer is exactly right here. Very good points indeed.

 

[deducer]

I total agree. I find it very hard to believe that mexican miners made stone maps. The big clue for me was adolf ruth. He received a mexican map from his son. Who re portly received it from a family in mexico.
Adolfs map was paper. I guess the stone maps could have been made on location for the purpose of making quick copies. Like a rubbing,but thats just a guess.
I really dont see travis risking the original searching for gold. I was there for a week last spring,and I was constantly dropping things.

If you look at the Stone Maps closely you will see that it is inconceivable that they were "made on location for making quick copies."

Even going back as far as 300 years, paper was readily available. With that in mind, why the choice of stone over paper?

Paper would have been much more easier to conceal and directions, easier to write.

Why go to the extent of carving abstract designs? Who would go to that trouble?

 

[sgtfda]

I don't know who or why but I have a good idea where they were made.

 

[cactusjumper]

I don't know who or why but I have a good idea where they were made.

Frank,

What's your idea?

Take care,

Joe

 

[sgtfda]

Problem is if I say where it will expose one of my gold locations and ill have a army of trolls heading that way.

 

[johnmark29020]

The dude couldn't afford a pen Sherlock.and i already pointed out what they lead to.so dont act like you are sitting there figuring this out. if you chose not to listen, then thats on you.

I missed your take on the stone maps. Would you mind repeating where they lead.

 

[cactusjumper]

Problem is if I say where it will expose one of my gold locations and ill have a army of trolls heading that way.

Frank,

OK. Perhaps you can e-mail me the area. Just curious........

Take care,

Joe

 

[johnmark29020]

Here a unrelated question. How do you get a brooze or gold membership.

 

[wrmickel1]

If you look at the Stone Maps closely you will see that it is inconceivable that they were "made on location for making quick copies."

Even going back as far as 300 years, paper was readily available. With that in mind, why the choice of stone over paper?

Paper would have been much more easier to conceal and directions, easier to write.

Why go to the extent of carving abstract designs? Who would go to that trouble?

Deducer'

I would think they used abstract designs to hide or conceal, And most people desired gold or silver money till the government out lawed it, cause nobody was using that new fangled paper money, now its just a routing number. The sign of the times. Now paper is on the way out even school kids are issued a laptop or tablet. We send e-mails instead of a letter. ect.

Wrmickel1

 

[goldbugpr]

You do understand the significance of carving a map in stone. In 1847 carving it in stone made it as permanate as they could make it and of extreme importance.
There is no reasonable issue with the authenticity of the maps in the museum.

 

[goldbugpr]

Marius, The letter was written to KOIN TV in Portland in 1958 by Travis' neighbor and he saw the maps (I presume that meant all of them) many times and he places the date Travis found them in 1949. He also requests that if the TV station decides to do a story about treasure, please don't mention his name because the maps are a closely guarded secret. It is the first proof of the tale to be found.

 

[deducer]

You do understand the significance of carving a map in stone. In 1847 carving it in stone made it as permanate as they could make it and of extreme importance.
There is no reasonable issue with the authenticity of the maps in the museum.

What makes you think the stones were carved in 1847?

 

[gollum]

Deducer,

There are many reasons to have carved the maps in stone:

1. Longetivity: Maps carved in stone would last far longer than maps drawn on vellum or paper

2. Resistance to wear: Maps carved in stone would be much more resistant to the elements than maps on vellum or paper

3. Resistance to animals: Rats and mice can't chew stone

4. If you were going to hide them from authorities by placing them in the floor of a mission (say over the tomb of some "DON")

Mike