The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

[Somero]

1 or 100...................2 or 12..............4 or 14...................6 or 16.........8 or 18 .............10 or 100...........100 or 1000 while not common phrases, they are used occasionally by some folks. Simple bits of the art of math used mainly by women folk in the art of argument when pointing out that even the lowest number was to many.

Most likely coincidence when relating to the Stones.

 

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[deducer]

Odd's motive. I don't know. I am working on it and using the FOIA of 66' to help understand it.
If, that is even possible.

That is why I bring up motivation as an asset to use, when one is confronted with so much circumstantial evidence.

Tumlinson's motivation for carving the stones is very scant, as Gollum (Mike) has exhaustively pointed out. He did not act in a way consistent with someone seeking to profit from the creation of a hoax.

Dr. Halseth's motivation for deception is much less. What could he possibly have gained out of carving stones that supposedly pointed to treasures? To have a little fun? The downside to that would have been enormous were he ever caught. In addition to losing all credibility in anthropological circles (as well as losing his credentials) Halseth's extensive works, books, and research would have been deleted from academic history.

 

[Hal Croves]

That is why I bring up motivation as an asset to use, when one is confronted with so much circumstantial evidence.

Tumlinson's motivation for carving the stones is very scant, as Gollum (Mike) has exhaustively pointed out. He did not act in a way consistent with someone seeking to profit from the creation of a hoax.

Dr. Halseth's motivation for deception is much less. What could he possibly have gained out of carving stones that supposedly pointed to treasures? To have a little fun? The downside to that would have been enormous were he ever caught. In addition to losing all credibility in anthropological circles (as well as losing his credentials) Halseth's extensive works, books, and research would have been deleted from academic history.

You seem to appreciate Dr. Halseth and his work more than most.
That is curious.

Anyway, there are other elements to his life that could have hurt him professionally, if made public.
However, I doubt to the extent which you are suggesting.
Perhaps you already know that.

I like your post, but in fairness I want to point out that I never accused Dr. Halseth of deception.
It is an assumption, that you have made.

Treasure is as one sees it. Gold, youth, health,... truth.


Preservation of "treasure" might be a motive for a man like Dr. Halseth.

 

[markmar]

markmar,
If I understand it correctly, one trail in, another out. Others on this site know the old mining rules better. Yes, the journey begins at the Salt. Water being the source of life and processing of ores.

REMEMBER this... a map would never lead directly to the treasure. It gets you to the general area. But with the stones, that last step in your 18 trail may be a single "point" in the triangulation step.

One thing that we can all agree to is that the person who made the stones was a brilliant map maker or a brilliant hoaxer, or both.
It is an odd thing for sure.

Hal

I don't agree with your unfinished theory , but this not mean how I ignore it . Maybe you have read in this thread , my theory about the stone trail and where is the end point . Incidentally the Latin heart ( a little part of the stone heart ) is shown in another two different maps , of course with another name . The good part of this story is how the place in these maps , fit with the place in my theory . In the most cases , I use all the sources to secure my find .

 

[Hal Croves]

1 or 100...................2 or 12..............4 or 14...................6 or 16.........8 or 18 .............10 or 100...........100 or 1000 while not common phrases, they are used occasionally by some folks. Simple bits of the art of math used mainly by women folk in the art of argument when pointing out that even the lowest number was to many.

Most likely coincidence when relating to the Stones.

I do understand your point.
But Higham's quote was about mines in the Superstitions, not the stones.
You are suggesting that Higham was using the "8 or 18" as an idiom.
Like, "six of one (and) half dozen the other".

I am not reading it exactly that way.

I understand it as "there could be eight or 18 mines, it is not clear."
But, seeing it your way, one could read it. "there are eight, but who knows, there could be 18?".

I would lean your way if not for the 18 on the stones.

Here it is 8 or 10. Would you consider this the same thing?

"The Peraltas had operated on a considerable scale, building and operating arrastras to crush ore dug from a probable eight or ten shafts in the general vicinity of Weaver's Needle."

LOST MINES OF THE OLD WEST
Howard D. Clark
1946 Copyright
by Ray Hetherington

 

[Somero]

I do understand your point.
But Higham's quote was about mines in the Superstitions, not the stones.
You are suggesting that Higham was using the "8 or 18" as an idiom.

I understand it as "there could be eight or 18 mines, it is not clear."
But, seeing it your way, one could read it. "there are eight, but who knows, there could be 18?".

I would lean your way if not for the 18 on the stones.

Yeah, I would say he was using an idiom or guesstimation and in one of those odd/often coincidences there happens to be 18 on the Stones.

Here it is 8 or 10. Would you consider this the same thing?

I would consider this as a guesstimate, so yes similar to 8 or 18.

As for interpreting the 18 on the Stones, that is going to be up to individual interpretation that hopefully matches what the maker was thinking. Could be as simple as tying the Priest Stone to the Trail Stones with the 18 dots along the "trail."

I'm curious where does the number 18 meaning deception come from?

 

[Hal Croves]

Yeah, I would say he was using an idiom or guesstimation and in one of those odd/often coincidences there happens to be 18 on the Stones.



I would consider this as a guesstimate, so yes similar to 8 or 18.

As for interpreting the 18 on the Stones, that is going to be up to individual interpretation that hopefully matches what the maker was thinking. Could be as simple as tying the Priest Stone to the Trail Stones with the 18 dots along the "trail."

I'm curious where does the number 18 meaning deception come from?[/QUOTE]

Are you asking about the origins of 18 as a symbol of deceit or the source for my calling it that?
I can only offer a source.
The origins I would be guessing at.


Back to Higham.

A book published the same year as Higham's 1946 edition, on the same topic (above) described it as 8 to 10 mines.
Not much of a diffrence unless it were legal to work them.
It is not an idiom.
8 were suspected in 1946, but it may have been ten.

Remember that.

Here, the common number in both accounts is 8.

8 mines in the Superstitions. 8 or 80, 8 or 800, 8 0r 8,000 is for me expressive writing. An idiom.

8 or 18, when it comes to this topic, is simply too coincidental to dismiss as an idiom, especially when considering the source. An artist, having been burned and pushed aside would think carefully about what he wrote. 8 or 18 and by chance, an 18 connection to treasure?

The next step would be to work backwards from 1946, tracing the Peralta story back as far as possible.
Then, compared each authors take on the number of mines.

 

[somehiker]

You could start with Barry Storm's "Thunder God's Gold", first published in June 1945.
The number 18 can also be referenced in the bible, and is associated with bondage, either by slavery or by infirmity.
""Now He (Jesus) was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, 'Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.' And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God." (Luke 13:10-13)"
As a coincidence perhaps, the Priest on the stone does have a "hunched" appearance, IMO.

In the "book of numbers"...Old Testament....the number 18 refers to the priesthood.
http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/ot-in-1/ot-in1-06-num-deut.htm

And if you go even further backwards in time....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amidah
There were the 18 benedictions of the Amidah.

Regards:SH.

 

[Hal Croves]

You could start with Barry Storm's "Thunder God's Gold", first published in June 1945.
The number 18 can also be referenced in the bible, and is associated with bondage, either by slavery or by infirmity.
""Now He (Jesus) was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, 'Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.' And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God." (Luke 13:10-13)"
As a coincidence perhaps, the Priest on the stone does have a "hunched" appearance, IMO.

In the "book of numbers"...Old Testament....the number 18 refers to the priesthood.
Old Testament - Numbers-Deuteronomy

And if you go even further backwards in time....Amidah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There were the 18 benedictions of the Amidah.

Regards:SH.

somehiker,
Could you start us off with the quote from Storm's book?

Yes, the number 18 is important and typically associated with life & fortune. Prosperity & wealth.
But not always.
It is found everywhere.
Bible, numerology, as an occult symbol...there are 18 Armanen Runes,...
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[Ellie Baba]

Hi All,

Remember, the following suggestions are facts that I have proven to myself and taken from my book:

1. The PSM's have nothing to do with gold mines as they are maps to religious treasures. See 1900-12 Florence Quad and note the location of the word CROOK. This is the only Florence Quad map (of many) that places the word CROOK in this exact position. This is a reference to a religious group and a time reference...do you understand the clue?



2. The number 18 is in reference to 3 individual clues; a. 18 = moon, 1 + 8 = 9 = 33.3, b. 9 + 9 = 18 (meaning the number 9 is critical in two locations). and c. 9 also refers to the moon. There are two crescent moons on the Horse Tablet, one under his eye and one on his side below the number three. We are searching for a crescent moon in the desert, not gold mines. The crescent moon is our initial goal.

1 + 8 = 9 (the moon) 4 will lead you to 7 treasure, measure 10 degrees, complete the pyramid. The FOUR! By the way, anyone notice the differences in the two bowls of the number 8?


Notice the heart in the upper right hand corner. The JJ saguaro refers to this location, the crescent moon nearby.

3. The PSM's were not designed to be maps! So many people make this fatal mistake. The PSM's provide the information to direct you in choosing the CORRECT maps. Hal is correct in stating that the stone maps were created much later, but not in the 1940's. My best guess would be the mid to late 1800's. They had to be produced before the 1902 Florence Quad because of the place names on this Quad (see example pictured above, Rogers, Rogers and Reavis draws the line).

Why? For example; the crescent moon located in the desert was produced many centuries ago (trust me on this one) and this feature had to be included in the design of the 1900 Florence Quad group of maps. The crescent moon represents only one example of hundreds that had to be taken from the exact on-the-ground locations, and that exact information was transferred directly to the Florence Quads. A template existed prior to the PSM's that assisted the Florence Quad surveyors in placing the correct information on the Florence Quads because it led them to the exact location of each and every feature! They were there in person on the ground! Not in a plane, balloon or Google Earth! The monuments/signs/symbols cannot be observed from above, for they were designed to be interpreted from ground level.

Now understand that these two surveyors were not alone. They had a large group of people who worked with them just like those before and those who would come later. It stands to reason that if the crescent moon is an ancient work and the PSM's are a modern version of the same work, that someone or some group was responsible. Who would we give the credit to? Not just one individual with awesome talents, but many, too include those throughout the ages. This amazing plan of hidden treasure, knowledge and deception required the hard work of thousands of individuals (you should see the crescent moon). Everything has its purpose.

The Stone Maps instructed us to study the maps and we did! We didn't realize that there were more maps to study. How can you study the hearts unless you are standing right in front of them...you had to in order to understand the associated techniques of how these magnificent hearts were created. All of this started on the ground centuries ago. I, for one cannot complete this monumental task by myself. I need the best minds available today, like some of you here who love the hunt, the chase and adventure...and, those who do not have the desire for gold or lust after riches. We must think like they did and realize that it must have been difficult to hide so much and never take possession of just one small memento.

Ellie B

 

[markmar]

EB

I believe Your map don't leads to the same point with the stone trail . The ancients marks like crescent moon , trident and Cross in a circle , are just to pointed a region limit , a port and who handle that ( look Tucson artifacts ) .
The stones trail tablets are a map . The trail starts from an ancient trail head and ends in the middle of the heart . The author used religion in some points like in number 18 ( the trail is dangerous but if you believe , you can done it . So , look for the Cross marks ) and the heart ( where your treasure is , there your heart is also ) , and used logic too .
The " 1847 " is what the Priest says and shows in the Priest stone " Follow the trail (18), find the broken heart (4)and reach the treasure cave (7) " .

You also wrote " They were there in person on the ground! Not in a plane, balloon or Google Earth! The monuments/signs/symbols cannot be observed from above, for they were designed to be interpreted from ground level. "
I agree how the monuments/marks were designed to be interpreted from the ground level , but with the maps is different . When somebody make a 2D map , the measurements are doing on the ground , but the final image on the paper/stone is a " hawk eye " look and today in some cases could be recognized with Google Earth . Now look to this broken heart which has the priest head in the middle :

 

[roadrunner]

No, what does the word CROOK mean.?

 

[Ellie Baba]

Marius,

I have a few close friends here in Apache Junction who have chased the Stone Maps' symbols for years, having relied on their own research and findings. Still, they have not been able to tie it all together as individuals. Those who's efforts had been combined constructed the Stone Maps and the monuments doing so to hide the truth from us. Pictured below is a technique handed down through the ages that concealed some important information. Without these two numbers and the pyramid you would have great difficulty in locating this particular depository area. This image can only be seen in the early morning hours with the sun in a pre-determined position selected by the architect. And, you had to be facing the monument in a pre-selected area located on the ground, I call the "viewing corridor". If the two rules where not adhered to you would have not been able to see this image. The image was recessed into the solid rock and would soon be covered by shade (see photograph #2). Comparing the two photographs a difference can be noticed due to the suns' position. The heart located in the lower-left-center can be made out. Step back from the photographs to sharpen the images. These two examples are not my best, but you get the picture.



My question(s) to you Marius; Having found the priest and broken heart with Google Earth is good. However, how will you locate the exact spot where the treasure is actually hidden according to your interpretation of the stone maps? You have got to plant your feet on the ground some place, where? And then what do you do next?

Show me a better way and I will take a look. The simple fact remains that all of us must follow our own lines of logic. But...what if we could combine all of our best efforts and run them through the mill? Why can't we as a group become as organized as these guys were/are? By working together all of us could solve the stone map debacle once and for all!

I, however, am not quite ready as of yet. I must complete one more task before we can all get together and solve the maps. Whoever wants to join in and help may do so. Those who are not interested can decline, no hard feelings; but, if you change your mind, well that's OK too. I need everyone's input to determine if this approach would be acceptable. Yes, No, let me know. This could become an interesting turn of events or turn into a real cluster *%+#! Open forum or pm, whatever you please.

Let's take a consensus if nothing else.

Thank you,

Ellie B

 

[Hal Croves]

You could start with Barry Storm's "Thunder God's Gold", first published in June 1945.
The number 18 can also be referenced in the bible, and is associated with bondage, either by slavery or by infirmity.
""Now He (Jesus) was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. And behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up. But when Jesus saw her, He called her to Him and said to her, 'Woman, you are loosed from your infirmity.' And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God." (Luke 13:10-13)"
As a coincidence perhaps, the Priest on the stone does have a "hunched" appearance, IMO.

In the "book of numbers"...Old Testament....the number 18 refers to the priesthood.
Old Testament - Numbers-Deuteronomy

And if you go even further backwards in time....Amidah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There were the 18 benedictions of the Amidah.

Regards:SH.

As somehiker points out, Storm wrote about 18 mines in 1945.
So, now we know that Higham's idiom may not have been an idiom at all.
Here I see it much like the depositing of The Manuscript.

"There are several interesting stories about the genesis of Trail of the Lost Dutchman. One obvious reason it is such an interesting book is the role a young Barry Goldwater played in getting it published."

Doug Stewart
​

Now we are back to Goldwater [honorary Don-1954].
And the Dons.

"Does this mean Storm had help with the book's production? From the Dons? It is unclear what, if any, his connection was with The Dons, although they wrote the preface"

Doug Stewart
​

"After I wrote this section Tom Kollenborn informed me that, yes, in fact, Barry Goldwater's father did hire someone to help Storm put this book together".

Doug Stewart
​

In fact, the Dons had helped Storm from time of his arrival to Phoenix in 1937.

"Storm arrived in Phoenix in the fall of 1937 with plans to search for the Peralta Mines in the Superstition Mountains east of Phoenix. He ended up at the YMCA Center in Phoenix and was befriended by Art Webber, one of the founding members of the Don’s Club of Arizona."

Tom Kollenborn
​

The origins of Storms first work is questionable.

"Another question about the genesis of this text is raised by the fascinating correspondence between two writers, Leland Lovelace (real name Bessie Loveless) and J. Frank Dobie. Their correspondence dates from 1939, shortly after publication of Trail of the Lost Dutchman. "

"In Loveless' letter she complains to Dobie that Storm took her in, misrepresenting himself as an investigator of the Lost Dutchman mine story, hiding from her the fact that he too was a writer. She let Storm read a manuscript she was writing on the Lost Dutchman mine which, she claimed, he then used in his own work without her permission".

Doug Stewart
​

And rushed.

"Early in 1938, while prospecting near Aguila, he hurriedly put together a book titled Gold of the Superstitions which he published by the summer of that year".

Tom Kollenborn
​

Here we are told that the meeting of Goldwater & Storm was coincidental.

"Barry Storm just happened to enter the Goldwater’s Store in Phoenix in the late spring of 1938, and by accident he met Barry M. Goldwater."

Tom Kollenborn
​

And that Goldwater becomes involved with storm simply to compete with Arnold's (a fellow Don) book Superstition's gold: the romantic history of hidden treasure in the Superstition Mountain with its famous Lost Dutchman Mine, including Indian legends. Phoenix: The Arizona Printers, Inc., 1934.

"Just prior to Storm walking into Goldwater’s store, Goldwater had witnessed the success of Oren Arnold’s book advertised at the Korrick’s Department Store in down town Phoenix. “Why not,” he thought!"

Tom Kollenborn
​

Storm had more than a coincidental encounter with Goldwater.

"Storm further convinced the Don’s Club through Art Webber to use his handsome gold currency covered book for their 1939 Superstition Mountain Gold Trek. The club thought it was a worthwhile adventure and involved Barry Storm with their Superstition Mountain Trek for 1939."

Tom Kollenborn

​

And here, Tom sums it up for us in one sentence.

"Barry impacted the Lost Dutchman Mine story more than any other person".


So, we now have the number 18 being used in 1945 to describe legendary mines in the Superstitions. That number, and the accompanying story came from Storm, who was initially backed by Goldwater, a Don.

Question is, where and when did Storm get 18?
Remember - This was all happening just a few years before Tumlinson uncovered the stones.

Storm either uncover something very old and important pertaining to 18 [somethings] mines in the Superstitions, which would seem to confirm the stones, or the stones were made after 18 was discovered and introduced into the legend, circa 1944,45,46,47. These are the only two options I see.

Odd Halseth was an honorary member of the Dons from 1945-1965.
If the cipher is a product of the 1940's, and read by superimposing their image onto a map or aerial photograph, Odd Halseth is the man.

 

[Ellie Baba]

No, what does the word CROOK mean.?

Grab a dictionary Roadrunner and look up CROOK.

Everyone,

There is also an emphasis placed on all of the words that start with a capitol "R" like ROOK. What does a rook tell us? What is a rook people? The line on the map intersects three of the bowls of the plotted Capitol R's on the map; Rogers twice and Reavis once. The county line completes the pyramid, but only on the 1902 edition of the Florence Map,

look at the County Lines when compared to the other Florence Quads 1:125000; Take a look and see the difference, there is a reason why and the Horse Tablet tells us how to do this exercise my friends. The 5th "r" in the word "creek" is a witness mark.



Again, what does a ROOK refer to and REST, what does it mean? STUDY THE MAP, follow directions, SEARCH THE MAP, look for the clues. Do you not recognize the KEY? The KEY begins with the 1902 Florence Quadrangle 1:125000!

All of us need to be on the same page, let's start with M111 and P33.3, Meridian = Longitude and Parallel = Latitude, now look at the 1900-02-12-17-55, etc. Florence Quadrangle maps and compare the Longitude and Latitude positions W 111 00'00" to W 111 30' 00" and next we take N 33 00' 00" to N 33 30' 00", it's as simple as that once you know how to figure it out.

This gets very deep, the book will be available soon (this is a preview, so to speak) in a step-by-step format.

Still taking questions.

Hope this helps,

Ellie B

 

[Hal Croves]

Grab a dictionary Roadrunner and look up CROOK.

Everyone,

There is also an emphasis placed on all of the words that start with a capitol "R" like ROOK. What does a rook tell us? What is a rook people? The line on the map intersects three of the bowls of the plotted Capitol R's on the map; Rogers twice and Reavis once. The county line completes the pyramid, but only on the 1902 edition of the Florence Map,

look at the County Lines when compared to the other Florence Quads 1:125000; Take a look and see the difference, there is a reason why and the Horse Tablet tells us how to do this exercise my friends. The 5th "r" in the word "creek" is a witness mark.

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Again, what does a ROOK refer to and REST, what does it mean? STUDY THE MAP, follow directions, SEARCH THE MAP, look for the clues. Do you not recognize the KEY? The KEY begins with the 1902 Florence Quadrangle 1:125000!

All of us need to be on the same page, let's start with M111 and P33.3, Meridian = Longitude and Parallel = Latitude, now look at the 1900-02-12-17-55, etc. Florence Quadrangle maps and compare the Longitude and Latitude positions W 111 00'00" to W 111 30' 00" and next we take N 33 00' 00" to N 33 30' 00", it's as simple as that once you know how to figure it out.

This gets very deep, the book will be available soon (this is a preview, so to speak) in a step-by-step format.

Still taking questions.

Hope this helps,

Ellie B

Ellie B,
All I can say is that I think that we are both trying to hold on to a tiger. You have hold of him by one end, and I the other.
I am just not sure which end is which.
They both have their downsides.

From what I have read, you just need to simplify the idea. Who is doing these things? Start with the intersection. Who designed it and why? Work out from there and the idea will come together. You are writing about very complicated things which many find overwhelming. Start smaller. Expand as you show proof of what is happening.

The task would have been easier in the 40's & 50's.

 

[Ellie Baba]

Hal,

You are correct in recognizing the fact of the complications involving my interpretation. Reminds me of writing a dissertation, this one has been brutal to say the least. I have yet to lay out the second part of this work that I feel will be an easier task to elaborate and describe. TMI and not a lot of time, que sera.

I did not have a choice when selecting the time period as the evidence demanded a verdict. We are both trying to represent the facts in the best way we know how; paying attention to detail and looking under every rock. These stone maps have been an interesting adventure and learning experience and I never truly considered time as being a factor. I am getting older now and would like to slow down, but I cannot. You understand what I am saying, we share the same compulsion; who, what, when, where and why. I must turn off my brain to sleep.

Take care my friend,

Ellie

 

[somehiker]

Tom K's article on Barry Storm.....Tom Kollenborn Chronicles: Barry Storm - the Adventurer

More....Tale of the Lost Dutchman: bibliography, notes and chronology

From....http://www.lost-dutchman.com/dutchman/dutch.shtml


"This is the text of Barry Storm's ad that ran in the Los Angeles Times classifieds under Business Opportunities for three days: December 30-31, 1937 and January 1, 1938.

LOST GOLD MINE EXPEDITION, ARIZO-
NA. OFFERS ADVENTURE, FAME,
CHANCE AT FORTUNE UNDER LEAD-
ERSHIP NOTED WRITER-ADVENTUR-
ER BASED UPON RIGID 3-YEAR IN-
VESTIGATION. RICH ORE, AUTHENTIC
CLUES, SHARE BASIS. BARRY STORM,
HOTEL EMBASSY. 851 S. GRAND."

There are also some good articles on the LDM and Stone Maps by Richard Robinson just above the Storm add.

Regards:SH.

 

[Hal Croves]

Tom K's article on Barry Storm.....Tom Kollenborn Chronicles: Barry Storm - the Adventurer

More....Tale of the Lost Dutchman: bibliography, notes and chronology

From....http://www.lost-dutchman.com/dutchman/dutch.shtml....


"This is the text of Barry Storm's ad that ran in the Los Angeles Times classifieds under Business Opportunities for three days: December 30-31, 1937 and January 1, 1938.

LOST GOLD MINE EXPEDITION, ARIZO-
NA. OFFERS ADVENTURE, FAME,
CHANCE AT FORTUNE UNDER LEAD-
ERSHIP NOTED WRITER-ADVENTUR-
ER BASED UPON RIGID 3-YEAR IN-
VESTIGATION. RICH ORE, AUTHENTIC
CLUES, SHARE BASIS. BARRY STORM,
HOTEL EMBASSY. 851 S. GRAND."

There are also some good articles on the LDM and Stone Maps by Richard Robinson just above the Storm add.

Regards:SH.

somehiker,
Everything but a quote from Storm about 18 mines?
Not everyone has the book, which is why I asked you to share what it is that you are writing about.
What are your thoughts on where that number came from, for Storm?

Thanks

Also your last link seems to be broken.

 

[somehiker]

I'll try and repost a working link later today, when I have more time.

I'll also finish this post later....

Sorry Hal, but I don't own a copy myself.
It was something that came up in a conversation with Jim Hatt early in my own search. And since then I've seen it referenced by others as well. Perhaps someone who does own a copy can scan and post the relevent passage.
While there probably is no way of knowing exactly where Storm got his information, which seemed to up his previous suggestions of 7 Peralta mines,he had been researching, searching, and writing about the LDM for, I assume, at least ten years prior to his writing "Thunder God's Gold". He likely knew of Highham's writings, who I believe was the first scribe to include the Peralta's as part of LDM lore. So far as I recall, it was later expansions of the LDM saga by other authors which brought the Massacre and possible existence of multiple mines, as well as the Gonzales family name into the larger telling.

Gotta head out for work.......