The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

[markmar]

also if there was a cave or dug out near weaver needle. it might explain a few thimgs. 1 the cave may be the start point of the stone map. if they are maps. 2 one version of waltzs directions have him passing weaver needle 3 it might eplain wwhere the mexicans were headed when they were attacked. if your position get over run. Wouldnt it make sense to fall back to a secure location. In this case their headquarters being at weavers needle. 4 The indians sealing the caassumingave so no one else could use it again.
Also waltzs was supposed to have said. I can see the military trail from mine but you cant see my mine from the military trail. Assume he did make that statement. could he have been refering to the trail that led to the fort. The supply trail. and if so. would weavers needle be to the south like he claim. also lining up three holls to look like one. Let say all of the above are right. Where would that place waltz. north west of the needle or Ne
or maybe dead center. What do you guys think.

In Minas del Oro map the Campo Mayor was there

 

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[johnmark29020]

In Minas del Oro map the Campo Mayor was there

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are you refering to one of the maps at ap library. what is a campo mayor. Sorry for the dumb question,but you stumped me.
do you prefer coffee or tea.

 

[roadrunner]

As I wrote , the symbols in the map are ground shapes . The triangle with the tail is about 1 mile long . I post the triangle in two different pictures , to have a better understanding .

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I dont see the triangle with tail.But maybe I was not supposed to see it.
And,if they where standing on top of Weavers,They could not get this aerial view,or I believe any view unto that canyon to see it.

 

[roadrunner]

In Minas del Oro map the Campo Mayor was there

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What are we looking at North of Tortilla flat? And why.
Just curious.

 

[roadrunner]

Is this the hill we where looking at with the wall?

 

[Not Peralta]

This is the "triangle with the curved tail", or...what I've been calling the hooked arrow.

This is in Spirit Mountain and could be seen from the ground. (Click on image to enlarge). np

 

[roadrunner]

Saw it in your other thread.
But I cant see his.
Markmar's.

 

[Somero]

Is this the hill we where looking at with the wall?

Different Location

 

[johnmark29020]

No, but they did have hot air balloons back then. Which COULD be used to map things from above. There is another gentleman that posts here that has proposed this theory. I don't buy it, but until someone figures it out, his theory is as good as anyone's.

Thanks
Travis

Has anyone considered that the stone are a composite. several different maps used to form one. That way different section could been draw at slightly different times and angle. Maybe thats why the rear of the hourse map look like a elephant.
DD im sending you a pm.

 

[markmar]

What are we looking at North of Tortilla flat? And why.
Just curious.

First of all , we are looking south , and we are looking to see the round yellow marker which show the headquarters of mexican miners .

 

[markmar]

are you refering to one of the maps at ap library. what is a campo mayor. Sorry for the dumb question,but you stumped me.
do you prefer coffee or tea.

In Spanish " campo mayor " means high place , but the Peraltas sometimes have used an unusual lingo to confuse us . In some maps they have used mixed Spanish with Roman , but in " Minas del oro " map the author have used Spanish and English . The " campo mayor " is " camp mayor " , which mean " headquarters " . How I understand this ?
In " Minas del oro " map , the author use the word " campo " to mark a camp which have a cubic form . In Mesa Negra he have used the Enlish word " ruins " and warning us how he use mixed languages and maybe mixed words . Since the " campo mayor " have many cubic forms , that means how is the principal camp .
What relation has the " minas del oro " map with the stone maps ? The " camino " which start from the " placeres " , go to the Latin heart which is in the " campo " and " agua " area .
Thanks for your coffee .

 

[johnmark29020]

In the two room cave. If its really there. There is supposed to be somthing on a ledge that is important to the apachies.
but I got the impression there were other things on that ledge that may or may not belong to the apachie. why? because the grandmother had half of it and told him to retrive the othe half.
Every story that has weight starts at the needle. If there are more stone maps there or a complete set. it would be great.
I looked at the ruth map,and I just dont believe that old man went out there using only that map. He had to have more info.
Since he started at the needle,I believe his real map also started there. The jones lady also had info about a cave/ tunnel in the same area. Maybe her info was limited or she was just to crazy or high.
to put it together. The thing I mentioned in my pm is in almost every campfire story ive read. Also the thomas lady swore that waltzs drew a map,and it was stolen. Dick holmes had directions that didnt seem to leed anywhere until DD found a suitable area. but not to the mine. So somthing is missing. Im no expert,but for fun I downloaded a copy of walts doodle. The I enlagred it. The line on thr right side of the paper are in the tear. Made me wonder if the was more info that was torn off. That doodle could be a southern view of the needle with the direction torn off. My point is everything seems to start at the needle.
If there is/was a large two room cave near the needle. That was used as a storage for gold and a source of fresh water. It could hold the key to the stone maps,and may be the largest cache in the entire mtn. I believe that the apachies seal it after killing the mexicans. I hoping following what I mentioned in my pm. It can be found.

 

[roadrunner]

First of all , we are looking south , and we are looking to see the round yellow marker which show the headquarters of mexican miners .

My mistake,did not notice the N was in the South's location.

 

[Not Peralta]

why do you call the stone tablets,the (peralta) stone tablets ? isn't it time every one called them what they really are, the stone tablets,labeling them the peralta stone tablets, has no factual basis, why confuse people with something that is not fact.np

 

[Somero]

why do you call the stone tablets,the (peralta) stone tablets ? isn't it time every one called them what they really are, the stone tablets,labeling them the peralta stone tablets, has no factual basis, why confuse people with something that is not fact.np

They are generally called The Stone Maps. Some use the Peralta when they throw that evidence into their theory. So yes, why confuse people without using facts

 

[Not Peralta]

somero, keep flying high,you will figure it out.np

 

[EE THr]

In the spirit of my original posts starting this thread, I would like to re-pose what I considered to be an important question in attempting to make some kind of determination about the Stone Maps.

Rather than trying to figure out what code or codes might have been used, by trying to figure who made them---how about the opposite angle of looking at who the maps were written to, and what code the intended recipients would have been able to read?

A list of possible recipients would narrow down the possible codes. In trying to apply each of those codes, there should be at least one that makes an obviously sensible translation, and that might lead to some puzzle pieces actually fitting together....if the maps are not a hoax.


Who (if anyone) would have been assumed, by their maker, to be able to read the code symbols on the Stone Maps?

 

[cactusjumper]

In the spirit of my original posts starting this thread, I would like to re-pose what I considered to be an important question in attempting to make some kind of determination about the Stone Maps.

Rather than trying to figure out what code or codes might have been used, by trying to figure who made them---how about the opposite angle of looking at who the maps were written to, and what code the intended recipients would have been able to read?

A list of possible recipients would narrow down the possible codes. In trying to apply each of those codes, there should be at least one that makes an obviously sensible translation, and that might lead to some puzzle pieces actually fitting together....if the maps are not a hoax.


Who (if anyone) would have been assumed, by their maker, to be able to read the code symbols on the Stone Maps?

EE,

Seems like a good concept. Trouble is, every two-bit country in the world had a "code". Within those countries, there were any number of groups or organizations who developed their own codes. All did their best to keep those codes a secret. Spain was the worst at keeping their codes secret. In fact, they were known as being a laughingstock in Europe, when it came to codes. It was said that King Phillip's coded messages were being read before they left the Royal Court.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Somero]

One thing for sure, they did use a complex system with specific symbols, now how those symbols all work together seems more like math equations to me. If I have a symbol for sun and one for water how do they work together, would it be a mirror solution or a water reflection solution. Would this be a consistent equation or pertain to one area and mapmaker and not to another.

While I don't think there is a true cypher that has been found to decode these maps, I do think many symbols are "standard" basic code. However my thought is perhaps that some symbols enhance or detract from others, almost like a math problem. The easiest example I can think of is from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where the medallion reverse side mentioned a reduction in the staff length. I know bad example.

So my thought on who should be able to decipher them should have a background in symbolism, Latin (perhaps Greek as well) an understanding of Christian beliefs, and geographic knowledge. Obviously Spanish as well. I say Christian beliefs not only because of the Cross symbols but the lack of the number 6 being used as well.

Now the argument could be made for Jesuits, but anybody wanting to create a hoax could also research any of this information. They could have had knowledge in any of the things I described above and maybe just needed to research one or two others to create the elaborate maps we have.

So EE, not sure if my opinions and ramblings help any, but thought I would throw them out there.

 

[johnmark29020]

While I don't think there is a true cypher that has been found to decode these maps, I do think many symbols are "standard" basic code. However my thought is perhaps that some symbols enhance or detract from others, almost like a math problem. The easiest example I can think of is from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where the medallion reverse side mentioned a reduction in the staff length. I know bad example.

So my thought on who should be able to decipher them should have a background in symbolism, Latin (perhaps Greek as well) an understanding of Christian beliefs, and geographic knowledge. Obviously Spanish as well. I say Christian beliefs not only because of the Cross symbols but the lack of the number 6 being used as well.

Now the argument could be made for Jesuits, but anybody wanting to create a hoax could also research any of this information. They could have had knowledge in any of the things I described above and maybe just needed to research one or two others to create the elaborate maps we have.

So EE, not sure if my opinions and ramblings help any, but thought I would throw them out there.

Here's something that might interest you.
On Minos Del Oro map there is the word
Canon Negro . According to the online translator. The word canon has a few meanings. One is canon another is biblical law and one is priest. So it could be saying priest black ( black priest).
As in the priest stone. So I have to agree with you. Fake or real. Whom ever made the stone maps had a lot of knowledge of the area.