The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

[sgtfda]

The movie. The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. Remember were the gold was buried. Not in the marked grave but next to it in a unmarked grave. Think about that.
There was a old mafia Don. He had a compartment in the floor. Open it and you see 200 grand. That was just the bait money. A second compartment underneath held the real money
Food for thought treasure hunters.

 

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[sgtfda]

The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

The V's on the cactus at the 1849 site. My opinion. They look old enough to have been placed there from the 1950's on. No older. Mr Gump was photographed in that area down over the hill. Did he do a Bob Ward. Set up a treasure site.

On the other hand the Kings crown at the 1849 site is fresh. As all you desert dwellers know anytime you see a hole like the Kings crown the wood underneath always looks dried out and rotted. That is unless recently carved. Take a second look. Is it the new shows black hand?

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

The movie. The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. Remember were the gold was buried. Not in the marked grave but next to it in a unmarked grave. Think about that.
There was a old mafia Don. He had a compartment in the floor. Open it and you see 200 grand. That was just the bait money. A second compartment underneath held the real money
Food for thought treasure hunters.

Makes me wonder if the LDM or Sierra Estrella is the ruse. Just thinking out loud.

 

[somehiker]

Some have hinted that was the case with the Rogers Spring "HEAT" job.
That while the FS was sniffing the hole Ron F. and Bob S. were legally digging in, the real gold was being hauled out of the "Pit Mine", and right past their busy noses.
At least that was my take on what was being said at the time. I couldn't see the dates lining up, but who knows

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

Some have hinted that was the case with the Rogers Spring "HEAT" job.
That while the FS was sniffing the hole Ron F. and Bob S. were legally digging in, the real gold was being hauled out of the "Pit Mine", and right past their busy noses.
At least that was my take on what was being said at the time. I couldn't see the dates lining up, but who knows

Aye. Read that here quite a bit. That would take some seriously well developed cajones to pull off.

 

[Azquester]

20 here, 8 there, 5 more made, 1 at the museum, Texas maps, map molds, ground maps, hide map, barn maps, .........

EVERYBODY'S GOT A MAP!!!!!

Back then it was mail order maps>............now it will be "AS SEEN ON TV MAPS".

Happy Mapping Everybody!!

Bill did you order your map yet?

My Maps are built into the terrain or in pictogliph's. The true way of hiding mines and treasures! I've only found two sites where this occurs in Arizona so far. One, I had surveyed with a submarine signal VLF which in my book is the only way to locate a target (GPR does not work well in AZ clay is why) and two, this one has true numerical symbols for distance and direction. I haven't had time to measure the second site yet with all the other treasure sites people on here have me working!

Just went to one last Saturday and hiked that canyon in 114 degree heat to find a lost gold mine! Gotta love it or leave it alone! So yes, I ordered my maps and they all came in stone form! Just like Forest Gump!

 

[Azquester]

That was the magic stick site Paul.

I had a "Magic Stick" once!

The only thing it did for me was invoke forty years of Marriage!

 

[cactusjumper]

I'll never forget the Rendezvous that Clay Worst sat in the Ramada talking for awhile - one of the things he said was how once while out in the mountains, he carved a heart in rock himself. He chuckled and sort of shook his head when he said he didn't even know himself why he did it.

I think you're probably right Dave - most of those signs were made by past treasure hunters or folks just messing around. Pretty damn hard to tell the difference

Paul,

Hope all is well with you.

A good friend told me he was in the mountains with JH and personally watched him make "treasure signs" on a number of occasions. You can probably guess who I am talking about. Believe it's a common trait for many Dutch Hunters.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Azquester]

Well the old stone maps were bought and not hatched from the ground in Apache country!

That is a revelation to behold.

Now all we need is the location Miller originated the stone maps from.

I'll just bet I know where they came from. You see long before there was a Lost Dutchman Story people were scouring the ground in the Catarina's and Rincon's for the Lost Mine with the Iron Door around Tucson. I believe someone found those stones up there and sold them. I've seen similar carvings in solid rock outcrops around there. The gray sand stone is prevalent all over around those mountains.

If we just had the original stones or some notes from the people that came into possession of the stones we might be able to follow it to the source. Probably not. As with so many other Dutchy Tales there's no heart to follow! At least it lends some credibility to the symbols on the stones although not much!

Forest was always looking for a tail to ride in on. Now he's riding on RG's tail! (tale).

 

[Carl995]

Well the old stone maps were bought and not hatched from the ground in Apache country!

That is a revelation to behold.

Now all we need is the location Miller originated the stone maps from.

I'll just bet I know where they came from. You see long before there was a Lost Dutchman Story people were scouring the ground in the Catarina's and Rincon's for the Lost Mine with the Iron Door around Tucson. I believe someone found those stones up there and sold them. I've seen similar carvings in solid rock outcrops around there. The gray sand stone is prevalent all over around those mountains.

If we just had the original stones or some notes from the people that came into possession of the stones we might be able to follow it to the source. Probably not. As with so many other Dutchy Tales there's no heart to follow! At least it lends some credibility to the symbols on the stones although not much!

Forest was always looking for a tail to ride in on. Now he's riding on RG's tail! (tale).

If I read it right Miller had just 1 stone, the key stone........Didn't Miller have a band?

 

[Cubfan64]

If I read it right Miller had just 1 stone, the key stone........Didn't Miller have a band?

The way I understand the story as written is that Travis was trying to purchase a "collection" and referred to them as the "Stone Map(s)" and "them."

The Stone Maps have possibilities and are very interesting. Have you ever thought of selling them? I will make you a reasonable offer up to $8000.00 cash for the entire collection.

Whether Charlie Miller was the person Travis was making the offer to or not, I guess there's no way of knowing for sure, but whoever it was had more than one.

Oh, and in keeping with the theme of the subject (stones) the only Miller band I know had a famous hit called "Keep on Rocking me baby."

 

[releventchair]

Wonder if the band chased ol Dutchie's gold and heard it callin?

 

[Real of Tayopa]

kIncidentally, there is no like sign Cubber, consider it done,When I started metal detecting in the 50's there were very few treasure markers, now they are a evrerywhere. What does that tell you.

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

kWhen I started metal detecting in the 50's there were very few treasure markers, now they are a evrerywhere. What does that twll you.

Tortilla Spring is Hell's Hole Spring. It's also naturally heated from volcanic action. What a perfect place for Waltz to rewater whilst checkin' his six.

 

[Azquester]

Tortilla Spring is Hell's Hole Spring. It's also naturally heated from volcanic action. What a perfect place for Waltz to rewater whilst checkin' his six.

The Tortilla mountains are a craggy group of hell's headaches. Some believe the Dutchman's mine is in that range and not the Supers. Lot's of gold and silver mines in there. To many to explore in one life. Not to far south of the silver queen mine lies the silver bell. Old Jake made many stops in Florence. So much so the old timer locals knew him very well. I believe he sold his ore down there a few times. After reloading his six of course...it takes a lot of ammo to kill those pesky mexican's, soldiers and nephew's...an occasional indian or three...almost makes one wonder if he was hoarding gold teeth.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

I had a "Magic Stick" once!

The only thing it did for me was invoke forty years of Marriage!

I don't know about no magic stick, Bill...being at the 30 year mark myself, I asked the wife unit why she hadn't dropped me off at the shelter by now...she thought for a second, then said it was because I could move heavy objects without being hitched up, was easier to shoe and feed than a mule, and unlike a dog I could let myself out the door in the middle of the night...I don't think she was kidding...

I wanted to ask you, did you ever find out who wrote that manuscript you found in your cabin? And did you ever get it scanned in? One of the best books like that I read lately was "Death in His Saddlebags" about Charles Genung...he was one of the men that opened up the Bradshaws and Wickenburg area during the 1864 gold rush and mentions several people we're interested in, even Ol' Doc Willing of Peralta/Reavis fame...

 

[Azquester]

Jim, I was up there over the week of the forth and totally forgot to get it and bring it down. I think I found the author in one of the pages he was a local resident and historian. He's dead I believe. I'll see if I can remember over labor day and get the book brought down here for my library.

I know another fella that had a set of magic "L" rods. He had some ranchers digging a pit ta China with all kinds of heavy mining machinery. Every now and then he would whip out a set or his "L" rods and say

"You have a stack of gold bars about 1000 feet wide 500 foot deep and twenty miles long". Every new geological formation that he encountered he claimed was "Man Made"! After a few years of digging those poor ranchers a giant pit they still hadn't hit the riches his magic L rods crossed over...I don't know if the ranchers ran him off or not...he's trying to get funding from stocks he's selling! Looks like the website has been pulled but here's a way back:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110128162959/http://www.nosslegacyintl.com/

Chow

I don't know about no magic stick, Bill...being at the 30 year mark myself, I asked the wife unit why she hadn't dropped me off at the shelter by now...she thought for a second, then said it was because I could move heavy objects without being hitched up, was easier to shoe and feed than a mule, and unlike a dog I could let myself out the door in the middle of the night...I don't think she was kidding...

I wanted to ask you, did you ever find out who wrote that manuscript you found in your cabin? And did you ever get it scanned in? One of the best books like that I read lately was "Death in His Saddlebags" about Charles Genung...he was one of the men that opened up the Bradshaws and Wickenburg area during the 1864 gold rush and mentions several people we're interested in, even Ol' Doc Willing of Peralta/Reavis fame...

 

[AbTexEx]

Nothing here folks

The Tortilla mountains are a craggy group of hell's headaches.

I like Tortillas.




AJones

 

[sgtfda]

Now that Jr has posted the cords for the 1847 site caution is recommended if you plan to visit that area. If you plan on visiting the site make sure your armed. It has been reported that two new black SUV's with California plates loaded with Mexican mafia types are closely watching the area. It appears they are looking for someone. Who that someone is I can guess. I would avoid the area for now.

 

[somehiker]

No problem. He can go in disguise.