Spartanoc :
For those who asked and are seriously looking for the goldmine. The question was how did I come to the conclusion that the Lost Dutchman’s goldmine is hidden on the eastern summit of the Sierra Ancha mountain range? Not everyone loves history like I do and history combined with all the information brought forward by the many individuals that contributed to the many unresolved treasures, including this one, help in deciphering different types of ciphered treasure maps. My knowledge first started in 2015 by deciphering a symbolic Templars goblet with history of Scotland in the late 13th century. From there everything snowballed starting with old 18th century treasure in the pacific followed by treasures in the Indian Ocean treasures, treasures in Texas, the Beale treasures, the lost Dutchman’s goldmine, Otto Hillig coin treasure, the Nazi Lue cipher treasure map, Dutch Shultz, and Oak Island treasure. There are about five other treasures maybe six that I won’t mention. Now! I know that some of you just want the location and some of you want to know more of the cipher map to make sure you don’t waist time or a lot of money looking for it? I understand the situation at hand. So, because I know the deception that comes with a cipher map, I’m going to caution you to not look for the treasure if you do not believe in cipher maps. Just about 99 percent of the treasures that have not been found have to do with cipher maps. Those who proceed and don’t believe are going to be easily deceive. There are two other options that will help you. One is if someone tells you the location of the goldmine and the other one has to do with luck. Learning to decipher the map is going to be the better option. That is the option that I take but it’s not easy. It takes a while and if you have enough knowledge of ciphering? You can do it! so I’m going to decipher in better detail based on my knowledge the part of the lost goldmine story that lead to the location because the last gentleman treasure hunter asked for it. In order for someone to act on something that he is uncertain off, it’s better to have a better understanding and I concur! If you have the time I’ll get to that soon!
in a a sense? That is good information for a miner who’s looking for gold there. That should make miners feel more at home knowing that someone has been there. So the museum expert of the cipher stones in Arizona superstitious mountains agreed that the cipher stones are in fact precise and it’s true! So, if the stones are precise and you can’t find the goldmine? That would identify the cipher reader as not have enough training to decipher the stones. The truth is that Julia’s cipher stone map, which was given to her by Jacob Waltz was actually discovered by a Peralta family member. That specific stone map, Jacob’s verbal cipher messages included his three doodle maps, the rest of the stones are in fact precise in the cipher sense. So the gentleman is asking is how do you interpret the ciphers so he doesn’t go the wrong in search of the lost Dutchman’s goldmine? He specifically wants to know more of the cipher in order to feel confident in his search? He is a smart miner! It’s easier to be taught tgan to learn it the hard way. If you like history combined with mystery, your going to half to read history of the Spaniards occupation in Arizona, History of the priest who wore the black robe, the two destructions of the church of Santa Fe before Mexico won their independence, the years following their independence, the Thomas Beale treasure story and history of the year 1817 through the year 1822 and combined that with the knowledge of ciphering pertaining to the secret societies plus much more history in order to understand the whole story of the Apache hidden goldmine. I know that most miners don’t care about history, so they can’t complain with the failure of not finding the goldmine. So it is smarter to ask someone who knows more? Especially when dealing with ciphers. The ciphers knowledge has been past down through centuries. Its use is mainly apply to keep something very special a secret. Most simple mind individuals do not have use for it plus you have to be taught to use it and you can only get that type of old training from a secret society or church priest that keep the old writings on ciphers which were stole by the Germans who put it to their use when the hide all their treasures. Since the Germans lost the war, all that knowledge became lost plus if you don’t regularly use it you loose it. The secret societies were getting very thin in the 19th century loosing a lot of knowledge concerning ciphers. Same thing happened to the Templars. But there is no reason why not to reinstate some of that knowledge here to help the gentlemen find the goldmine.
Ramiro Valdez
I think for now, I'd have to side with Doc4261. The possible Mine you are referring to is not the LDM. Of course, I can't be definitive about my decision, but there's just not enough clues/evidence that would match what Jacob had stated AND the info Julia was given. In your statement, you keep mentioning 'Julia' cipher stone map'. I don't recall Julia EVER having access to any Stone Map of any kind. She was given a map, as Jacob drew his path and clues in a doodle more or less. She was never given a stone map. In fact, the Peralta Stone maps were found at a different time period, in a different location to where Jacob resided/mined in. What I understand is, there are maps and then there are the Peralta Stone Maps. Could the Stone maps AND the drawn maps lead you to similar areas/mines? It's possible. But as for the LDM itself - that location I believe is still the Superstition Mountains. There's just too much that says - the LDM and other possible Spanish Mines are in the vicinity of the Supes, not North of it. Even if you took all the maps (fake or not) and followed the clues/monuments/past diggings, things STILL point to the Supes being the holder of most Mines - including the LDM.
Now, that all being said, the area that you've brought to light, is an interesting area/mountain. In viewing GE on said mountain (Sierra Ancha Mountains - east side), I do see some spots on the ridge that resemble some type of indentation/impression that is sunken down like a funnel shaped cone (see attached screenshots). I can't verify if that's natural or manipulated ground - as GE doesn't play nice when it comes to details. IMHO, I believe either the Spaniards or going back further in respect of the Aztecs, were in the area in question - but to say Jacob made his way into this area, is stretching things. With all the clues I've read, in regards to what Jacob mentioned, to Julia and others don't seem to fit this exact area. Could it be another Peralta Mine? Quite possibly. Could it be workings by the Spaniards, could very well be, but to try and match the area in question by the statements of Jacob, Julia, and all the others involved doesn't seem to be a conclusion we're all looking for. There is evidence of a type of structure on the South base side of said mountain, though it does look more modern than other remnants I've seen around in the Arizona highlands. The East area of the Mountain is pretty remote and rugged and would take a considerable amount of effort and time to reach any peak or ridge and I'm not sure you could take a mule or burrow up into those ridges. I would suspect it would be treacherous for a person let alone a mule up in the sheer and steep cliffs of the East side or anywhere on that Mountain. Plus, I'm not sure Waltz could have made that trip once let alone twice.
In recent times, I've spoken to some of the 'hunters' here on TN - specifically Idahodutch. In his assessment, he's pulled the clues together, matched up areas of interest and has found certain elements of the story - to not only be true, but has allowed him to go a second time (he's going back this year), to follow up on samples. THAT is what's needed for the most part, samples. All of us on this site can say all day - "I know where and I've seen...", but nothing gets validated till there's samples of Ore and the only way that's going to happen, is to get those boots-on-the-ground.
Ramiro Valdez, I wish you the best in your searches, providing you are still on the hunt for success. I am not discounting your theories and I believe you've found an area of great interest, but as most will say here, the ones that will be successful are the ones focused on a path and not to get side tracked by other possibilities. Though your information might be valid and genuine - the story you've provided just isn't a great match to the known clues out there, for the LDM. - SPARTANOC
