The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island Challenge

[lokiblossom]

11th Century Arabian writers mention the use of coconut coir for use in ropes and ships rigging, which was common usage during that period, and that during the Templars activities in Jerusalem, and in later centuries.
With that stated, there is NO documented reference from that period of the Templars gathering, storing, using coconut coir.

They worked, lived and traded with Arab sailors for almost 200 years, it would be certain that they used Arab materials. Again this is a ridiculous statement by you.

Cheers, loki

 

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[sasquash]

500 posts on the Knight Templars connection !


Need to start a thread about the ship in the swamp ...

 

[Al D]

Yes, there is definite proof the Templars sailed back to France all one has to do is look it up, it is accepted history. Clement V ordered them back to France in late 1306 and de Molay along with 60 knights and their entourage sailed back to France in early 1307.

Yes there is proof the fibres discovered on Oak Island were coconut. There is some question as to how the fibres were gathered, but two of four reports identified them as coconut fibre, one was inconclusive and one identified some fibre as hemp.

Aren't you the one who just wrote that the Templars were only on Cyprus for one year?

Cheers, Loki

Being on Cyprus and having a fleet stationed there are two completely different things.
this is where I have a problem with historians such as yourself, you take one small event and blow it way out of proportion, drawing conclusions that are not and cannot be supported by evidence.

 

[lokiblossom]

Where is the source of a Templar fleet of "warships"?
The Templars did maintain a fleet of galleys and short distance merchant ships , most were leased or hired , complete with crew.
The only mention of a "lost Templar fleet" came from the Papal torture interrogation testimony of Brother Jean de Chalons:
"The leaders of the Order fled, and he himself met Brother de Villiers leading fifty horses; and he heard it said that he set out to sea with eighteen galleys and that Brother Hugues de Chalons fled with the whole treasure of Brother Hugues de Pairaud"
VATICAN ARCHIVE- REGISTRA AVENIONENSIA 48f450r June 1308
Note that de Chalons stated that "he heard it said", which is NOT an eye witness account, and remember this is the ONLY documented account of 18 galleys (NOT WARSHIPS) setting out to sea with "treasure".
Quasi alternative historians Baigent and Leigh were the first to use this account and expanded this man's tortured testimony to what many now accept as fact that 18 Templar ships escaped from La Rochelle.

I will post the reports of the building and maintaining of the Templar Fleet in the next day or two. I do love this type of discussion!

What is becoming extremely funny is when you lose an argument you write "what has this to do with Oak Island" and I will reply ahead of time "everything"!


Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

How many ships did the Knights Templar actually own?
As mentioned several times, the Templars leased and hired short range merchant ships and galleys complete with their crews.

*NOTE* David Hatcher Childress book, PIRATES AND THE LOST TEMPLAR FLEET is another pseudo history posing as history tale based on minimal fact but with over the top assumptions by a quasi historian.
Childress' premise is that the Templars escaped from La Rochelle to Scotland, hooked up with the St Clair (Sinclair) family, who with Scottish Rite Freemasons, created a pirate fleet that waged war on Vatican, Spanish, and Italian ships.
Timelines as well as actual facts are ignored in this voyage to fantasyland.

What is the matter with you? This is exactly what I wrote earlier, Childress added a much later introduction to Charles Addison's book, Addison one of the historians I mentioned said none of this!
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But the Templars did own a fleet of warships, this is a fact throughout their history, as well as vessels for their wine trade at La Rochelle!

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

Being on Cyprus and having a fleet stationed there are two completely different things.
this is where I have a problem with historians such as yourself, you take one small event and blow it way out of proportion, drawing conclusions that are not and cannot be supported by evidence.

You just wrote that they were only on Cyprus for one year, when they were actually involved with Cyprus for 116 years. Now you change your argument to fit the new information. They had a fleet stationed at Cyprus, look it up, if you know how.

Cheers, Loki

 

[Al D]

There is nothing here to indicate the existence of a Templar Fleet, let alone the idea that it was the fleets headquarters

 

[lokiblossom]

And I asked you to prove it

Prove yours!!!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Al D]

You just wrote that they were only on Cyprus for one year, when they were actually involved with Cyprus for 116 years. Now you change your argument to fit the new information. They had a fleet stationed at Cyprus, look it up, if you know how.

Cheers, Loki

I have not changed my argument, it takes a lot more boots on the ground to substantiate a headquarters for a whole fleet.
most real Templar historians do not subscribe to the idea of the existence of a Templar fleet, it is only those who have books to sell to gullible people that do.

 

[Al D]

Prove yours!!!

Cheers, Loki

Read post 507

 

[lokiblossom]

There is nothing here to indicate the existence of a Templar Fleet, let alone the idea that it was the fleets headquarters

From your post 507!
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Otherwise thats exactly what I told you, I guess until I post my evidence you will just have to believe me! After being proven wrong several times don't you begin to question your sources?

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

I have not changed my argument, it takes a lot more boots on the ground to substantiate a headquarters for a whole fleet.
most real Templar historians do not subscribe to the idea of the existence of a Templar fleet, it is only those who have books to sell to gullible people that do.

You did change your argument, or wasn't it you who wrote the Templars were only on Cyprus for one year?

Cheers, Loki

 

[Al D]

You did change your argument, or wasn't it you who wrote the Templars were only on Cyprus for one year?

Cheers, Loki

I said they owned the island for less than one year, is English your primary language?
I could write in another one if it suits you better.
the whole argument is about the existence of a Templar Fleet, not about Templars being on the island

 

[lokiblossom]

The Templar fleet was never based in Cyprus, actual fact; the Templars owned the island for less than one year before a revolt by the people who lived there caused the Templars to give the island back to King Richard.

You insinuated the Templars were only on Cyprus for one year, do you now admit you were wrong? Yes, english is my primary language btw. If I show tomorrow how the Templars always maintained a fleet of warships will you again admit you were wrong?

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

I have to leave now, but I will be back tomorrow with the info on the fleet. Don't write too much for me as I don't read well and will only go back a few posts!

Have a nice day!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Al D]

I have to leave now, but I will be back tomorrow with the info on the fleet. Don't write too much for me as I don't read well and will only go back a few posts!

Have a nice day!

Cheers, Loki

Maybe when you return, you will have learned english composition and comprehension, or is it your passive aggressive anger preventing you from understanding what was actually written?

 

[Al D]

The Templar fleet was never based in Cyprus, actual fact; the Templars owned the island for less than one year before a revolt by the people who lived there caused the Templars to give the island back to King Richard.

This is the actual post I made, as is obvious, I never posted that the Templars were not on Cyprus,
I will clarify again and write it slowly for you.
The templars did not have a fleet of ships headquartered on Cyprus,

 

[Al D]

You just wrote that they were only on Cyprus for one year,

Cheers, Loki

Wrong again, I wrote that they owned the island for less than one year.
I do not think that English really is your primary language.

 

[sasquash]

Wrong again, I wrote that they owned the island for less than one year.
I do not think that English really is your primary language.

By the way English is not my primary language.

 

[Al D]

Where Did the Myth of the Lost Templar Fleet and Its Transoceanic Voyage Come From? - Jason Colavito


A very good read.....nuff said