The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island Challenge

[Raparee]

You might be interested to know that Joan never mentioned the Knights Templar! The idea of a Templar presence at Charing Cross was a later premise.

Cheers, Loki

She claimed that Henry Sinclair built a castle at New Ross.

 

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[lokiblossom]

She claimed that Henry Sinclair built a castle at New Ross.

Yep! Among others, but no Templars

 

[ECS]

The Venetian ships you mentioned were used for the wine trade and were open deck oar/sail powered shallow draft galleys.

Navigating offshore along the coast to England in one of these galleys is NOT the same as crossing the Atlantic in one of these galleys, AND they were NOT similar to the Vikings long ships.

You mentioned a LARGE Mediterranean fleet, how many ships and types were in the Templar service in 1307, who were the captains and crew, as the Templars were not known as sailors and would hire ships including captains and crew, and please cite the source of your information.

Where did I state that the Templars used these shallow draft open deck galleys for the Atlantic wine trade in the above post?
You need to take your own advice about learning to "read better", Loki, my friend- it would also aid with your comprehension.

 

[ECS]

... My part of that post that you quoted is correct and is documented by two of the most well known Templar historians who wrote the vessels were bought to join with their other vessels to participate in an upcoming raid in the Mediterranean.

Baigent & Leigh or Picknett & Prince are well known and have made those statements, but ARE NOT known for their credible research.
Refer to my post # 203.

 

[lokiblossom]

Baigent & Leigh or Picknett & Prince are well known and have made those statements, but ARE NOT known for their credible research.
Refer to my post # 203.

I was not referring to any of those. Your post #223 is quite laughable, where do you think England is?

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

The Venetian ships you mentioned were used for the wine trade and were open deck oar/sail powered shallow draft galleys.
Navigating offshore along the coast to England in one of these galleys is NOT the same as crossing the Atlantic in one of these galleys, AND they were NOT similar to the Vikings long ships.
You mentioned a LARGE Mediterranean fleet, how many ships and types were in the Templar service in 1307, who were the captains and crew, as the Templars were not known as sailors and would hire ships including captains and crew, and please cite the source of your information.

This post/

Where do you get that, you are not, saying the Venetian ships were used for the Atlantic wine trade?

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Up the coast from the Templar port at La Rochelle, France, not across the Atlantic ocean on Nova Scotia.
You are aware, during the 1200 & 1300's, that ship rarely sailed out of the sight of land, which would be a voyage from La Rochelle to England.
The ever money making Templars also charged port fees at La Rochelle to merchant ships that docked there, and were known to hire merchant ships and their crews to "bolster" the size of their trade fleet ( academic scholars have documented the Templars actual owned ships at six), flying the Templar flag while under contract, but NOT actually being a part of this alleged Templar fleet.
There were three divisions of the Templar order, the Knights and warriors, the religious clergy who handled the financial activities, and the servants, and all Templars worked in pairs as displayed on the two on a horse logo.
There was no fourth order of navigators and sailors, which the Templars. as mentioned, hired for contract work.
The few Templar ships at La Rochelle, France on the Atlantic coast were crewed by hires who were accustomed on 1307 to sailing in land sight, and NOT in the open Atlantic where "there be monsters".

 

[ECS]

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Where do you get that, you are not, saying the Venetian ships were used for the Atlantic wine trade?

No I did not.
You do understand that there are two different sentences, and neither one states that the Venetian shallow draft galleys were used for the Atlantic wine trade.
I am beginning to understand how you arrive at these posted conclusions of yours with your misreading of that post.

 

[lokiblossom]

No I did not.
You do understand that there are two different sentences, and neither one states that the Venetian shallow draft galleys were used for the Atlantic wine trade.
I am beginning to understand how you arrive at these posted conclusions of yours with your misreading of that post.

Perhaps you don't understand what the Atlantic wine trade was. Do you think that is the problem? If so I will explain it here.

The Knights Templar were given control of the Port of La Rochell by the Queen of France through an 1139 document. At the same time they were gifted vineyards around La Rochelle, from where they operated a wine trade up and down the Atlantic Coast from Portugal to England. In England they were given license to operate out of British ports. This is what was referred to as the Atlantic wine trade, not a crossing of the Atlantic. capiche!

Oh, and the Mediterranean fleet was usually separate from the Atlantic vessels that were generally smaller, at least until the Summer of 1307 when some 10 ships from Cyprus arrived in La Rochelle.

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

...and, friend Loki, it has nothing to do whatsoever with the Templars crossing the Atlantic ocean to land in Nova Scotia, now does it?
This is just a way of utilizing actual documented facts in an attempt to make speculative information appear plausible.
Are you denying that the Templars hired merchant ships and crews or just avoiding that issue?

 

[sasquash]

I have to put the thread on top. But could it be because something is coming ...

 

[ECS]

Is Loki making a comeback with new "evidence" that does not involve coconut coir that the Templars sailed to Oak Island?

 

[lokiblossom]

...and, friend Loki, it has nothing to do whatsoever with the Templars crossing the Atlantic ocean to land in Nova Scotia, now does it?
This is just a way of utilizing actual documented facts in an attempt to make speculative information appear plausible.
Are you denying that the Templars hired merchant ships and crews or just avoiding that issue?

The Atlantic wine trade itself, no, But you were confusing several different issues such as the ships that sailed the Atlantic Coast involved in the wine trade and those of the Mediterranean Fleet that had just arrived at La Rochelle, which I had to straighten out!

Along those same lines, what difference does it make if they also leased a few vessels? Unless you are trying to say that was what constituted the Templar vessels that sailed to Nova Scotia, in that case you would be incorrect.

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

Up the coast from the Templar port at La Rochelle, France, not across the Atlantic ocean on Nova Scotia.
You are aware, during the 1200 & 1300's, that ship rarely sailed out of the sight of land, which would be a voyage from La Rochelle to England.

Umm, the Norse did, and did it well before 1200!!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

The Atlantic wine trade itself, no, But you were confusing several different issues such as the ships that sailed the Atlantic Coast involved in the wine trade and those of the Mediterranean Fleet that had just arrived at La Rochelle, which I had to straighten out!

Along those same lines, what difference does it make if they also leased a few vessels?
Unless you are trying to say that was what constituted the Templar vessels that sailed to Nova Scotia, in that case you would be incorrect.

Loki, I was NOT confusing several different issues, and the hired ships and crews were considered as part of the Templar "fleet" while under the Templar's contract.
As for saying "what constituted the Templar vessels that sailed to Nova Scotia", there exosts NO HARD EVIDENCE that any Templar ship ever sailed to Nova Scotia beyond speculation based mostly on coconut coir alleged to have been "official" Templar coconut coir found on Oak Island.

 

[ECS]

Umm, the Norse did, and did it well before 1200!!

...and the raiding Norse seafarers were not the Templars who were involved with "protecting" pilgrims to Jerusalem for a price, and expanding their very profitable banking endeavours.
The Norse example is just a strawman hayride to another red herring fishfry.
Cheers, Loki, my friend.

 

[lokiblossom]

...and the raiding Norse seafarers were not the Templars who were involved with "protecting" pilgrims to Jerusalem for a price, and expanding their very profitable banking endeavours.
The Norse example is just a strawman hayride to another red herring fishfry.
Cheers, Loki, my friend.

Raiding Norse seafarers in Newfoundland? I guess you know more about Vikings than I do!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

Please reference where I stated the raiding Norse seafarers in Newfoundland.
Is English your first language or do just misinterpret and misrepresent others posts?
PS: I am the direct descendant of Norwegian Viking Richard de Sandefijord was recorded as a landowner in Wakeford, Youk, England, 1286.
He was NOT a Templar.
His descendant, Sir Bryan of Leeds, Yorkshire fought at Bosworth Field on the side of the Lancasters, which ended the Plantagenet line with the defeat of Richard III where he requested a trade of his kingdom for a horse.
Sir Bryan also was NOT a Templar.

 

[lokiblossom]

Please reference where I stated the raiding Norse seafarers in Newfoundland.
Is English your first language or do just misinterpret and misrepresent others posts?
PS: I am the direct descendant of Norwegian Viking Richard de Sandefijord who settled in Wakeford, Youk, England, 1286.
He was NOT a Templar.

Your post 236 in answer to my post where I referenced the Norse sailing to Newfoundland before 1200!

Cheers, loki

 

[ECS]

You referenced Newfoundland.
I can see your confusion in comprehension.
So I will rephrase the question:
How does your referencing what the Norse did before 1200 have ANY relevance on whether or not the Templars sailed to Newfoundland?