The Knights Templar connection to Oak Island Challenge

[Raparee]

"Logical circumstantial evidence" That's what I called it and that's what it is!

Cheers, Loki

With respect, there is nothing logical about that claim. What is it about the fiber that says "Templar" to the exclusion of any other possibility?

 

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[lokiblossom]

logic, none of the coconut fibres actually originated in the Middle East that early. India, where they were manufactured into coir and is most logically where they came from, traded in the Middle East.

Vikings or Norse were not trading in the Middle East in the correct time period.

You also had Portuguese and Venetians, but they kept records, and were only sporadically in the Middle East in the 12th to 14th Century's.

Then there were the Templars, who were based in the Middle East from the early 12th Century until the 14th Century. In 1307, they had 18 vessels, most of which had just come from the Middle East, disappear from a French Atlantic seaport along with the newly appointed Grand Master who became the most wanted man in France. More recently coconut fibre is discovered on Oak Island dated to between the 12th and 15th century's (depends on who did the dating). Its all about logic, and as it stands, not proof but circumstantial evidence. Of course I was only commenting on Mr. Wonder's post in which he claimed, no Templars ever set foot on Oak Island.

Cheers, Loki

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

From the same web site :

The Prieur de Sion, usually rendered in English translation as Priory of Sion or Priory of Zion, has, since the 1970s, been an elusive protagonist in many works of pseudohistory. It has been characterized as anything from the most influential secret society in Western history to a modern Rosicrucian-esque ludibrium, but, ultimately, has been proven to be a hoax created by Pierre Plantard. Most of the evidence presented in support of claims pertaining to its historical existence, let alone significance, has not been considered authentic or persuasive by established historians, academics, and universities.

Humm ....

...Humm, interesting that on this Grandmaster list is Rene de Anjou and Jean Cocteau whom Loki presents as "evidence" for the Templars at Oak Island.
If the claims on this "Grandmaster" list are NOT "considered authentic" how can claims that revert to these two names as being "some of the names are the same" can be considered as "authentic"?

 

[lokiblossom]

...Humm, interesting that on this Grandmaster list is Rene de Anjou and Jean Cocteau whom Loki presents as "evidence" for the Templars at Oak Island.
If the claims on this "Grandmaster" list are NOT "considered authentic" how can claims that revert to these two names as being "some of the names are the same" can be considered as "authentic"?

I never claimed Rene de Anjou or Jean Cocteau had anything to do with Oak Island. Where did you get that from, maybe you could post it?

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

With respect, there is nothing logical about that claim. What is it about the fiber that says "Templar" to the exclusion of any other possibility?

Claiming the Templars were at Oak Island because of coconut coir remains is an illogical assumption based only on preconceived speculative expectations of a pet theory.

 

[lokiblossom]

There was indeed a connection, or common thread, from one era to the next along the underground stream, seen underneath the Poussin and in Rene de Anjou's work, just ask Jean Cocteau about it. And it doesn't take an enlightened one to find, only curious.

Cheers, Loki

This what I posted about Anjou and Cocteau!

Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

Logic, btw, none of the coconut fibres actually originated in the Middle East that early. India, where they were manufactured into coir and is most logically where they came from, traded in the Middle East.

Vikings or Norse were not trading in the Middle East in the correct time period.

You also had Portuguese and Venetians, but they kept records, and were only sporadically in the Middle East in the 12th to 14th Century's.

Then there were the Templars, who were based in the Middle East from the early 12th Century until the 14th Century. In 1307, they had 18 vessels, most of which had just come from the Middle East, disappear from a French Atlantic seaport along with the newly appointed Grand Master who became the most wanted man in France. More recently coconut fibre is discovered on Oak Island dated to between the 12th and 15th century's (depends on who did the dating). Its all about logic, and as it stands, not proof but circumstantial evidence. Of course I was only commenting on Mr. Wonder's post in which he claimed, no Templars ever set foot on Oak Island.

Cheers, Loki

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

No its not, but some of the names are the same, one of those is Mr. Cocteau!

You referenced another "Grandmaster" list that had de Anjou and Cocteau on it that related to Templar activity on Oak Island.
So what "secret organization" were they Grandmasters, and how does that related to the Templars sailing to Oak Island to hide the Grail and other treasures, AND, as you state, leave mounds of coconut coir behind as evidence of this endeavor?

 

[lokiblossom]

You referenced another "Grandmaster" list that had de Anjou and Cocteau on it that related to Templar activity on Oak Island.
So what "secret organization" were they Grandmasters, and how does that related to the Templars sailing to Oak Island to hide the Grail and other treasures, AND, as you state, leave mounds of coconut coir behind as evidence of this endeavor?

OMG, I'm outta here, have a nice day!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

"Coconut Fibre"

Cheers, Loki

Yes, because coconut fibres and Templars are like bread and . . . no, wait.

Because the letters in "Coconut Fibres" can be rearranged to make . . . "neu croc of bits"! No,wait. Hummmm?

Because . . . no, wait.

Are you sure it's not the Marx Brothers you mean instead of Knights Templar?

 

[lokiblossom]

With respect, there is nothing logical about that claim. What is it about the fiber that says "Templar" to the exclusion of any other possibility?

I don't think circumstantial means the absolute exclusion of any other possibility.

Cheers, Loki

 

[sasquash]

Enjoy !

 

[lokiblossom]

Enjoy !

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Love it!

Cheers, Loki

 

[ECS]

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Please provide the provenance of this rock with a Templar cross painted on its surface.
Without that, the posted photo carries no weight in this discussion.
...or are you only alluding that it is a Templar cross similar to the cross Champlain mentioned that you alluded on a previous post?

 

[ECS]

"Logical circumstantial evidence" That's what I called it and that's what it is!

The Templars were in the middle east where coconut coir was available
Coconut coir was claimed to have been found on Oak Island
Therefore, the Templars were on Oak Island.
That is NOT "logical circumstantial evidence" but a fallacy.

 

[sasquash]

Please provide the provenance of this rock with a Templar cross painted on its surface.
Without that, the posted photo carries no weight in this discussion.
...or are you only alluding that it is a Templar cross similar to the cross Champlain mentioned that you alluded on a previous post?

This was on last episode of O.I., and also in a past season ...
This was not painted, it's visual effect to enhance the faded sculpted cross.

Next, the narrator reminds us that, prior to visiting Zena Halpern, Rick Lagina and Doug Crowell, along with Charles Barkhouse, met with researchers Alessandra Nadudvari and Tim Loncarich in New Ross, Nova Scotia in Season 4, Episodes 1 and 2. There, Nadudvari and Loncarich showed the treasure hunters a stone which they believed bore a faded cross pattee, a style of cross used by the Knights Templar.

 

[ECS]

Thank you for citing the source.
...but according to the dialog you provided, it was NOT presented as solid evidence that the Templar's were in Nova Scotia, or that a Templar marked that rock with a cross.

 

[Raparee]

Vikings or Norse were not trading in the Middle East in the correct time period.

You also had Portuguese and Venetians, but they kept records, and were only sporadically in the Middle East in the 12th to 14th Century's.

Then there were the Templars, who were based in the Middle East from the early 12th Century until the 14th Century. In 1307, they had 18 vessels, most of which had just come from the Middle East, disappear from a French Atlantic seaport along with the newly appointed Grand Master who became the most wanted man in France. More recently coconut fibre is discovered on Oak Island dated to between the 12th and 15th century's (depends on who did the dating). Its all about logic, and as it stands, not proof but circumstantial evidence. Of course I was only commenting on Mr. Wonder's post in which he claimed, no Templars ever set foot on Oak Island.

So you claim that it can't be the Norse because they weren't trading in the ME in that period. Are you certain of that? Are you sure that there was not one single Norse trader dealing in the ME at that time?

You claim that it can't be the Portuguese or Venetians because they kept records, and there is no mention of a trip to the New World. That must mean that there is credible written documentation of the Templars making such a trip then, eh? Funny you wouldn't have presented such documentation instead of the Brown-esque malarkey of pointing statues and secret codes.

Nothing that you have presented makes any logical connection between the 'coconut' found on OI and the KT.

 

[lokiblossom]

I don't think circumstantial means the absolute exclusion of any other possibility.

Cheers, Loki

Why do you ignore this post Raparee?

Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

Why do you ignore this post Raparee?

Cheers, Loki

I don't know. Maybe it's because your 'premise' is about the Templars in the New World, not Polynesians, Chinese, or Venetians.

Why are you choosing to ignore any questions asking you to clarify what it is about the fiber that leads you to believe that it is Templar in origin?