tayopa, legend or reality ...?

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI PEEPS: Since I am the devils advocate, show me where this could not be true,, or at least as possible as any theory so far presented. It also could tend to explain our / my hero ORO's theories on Trans-atlantic contacs and trade. Thanks to a lead furnished by my friend Hi Mountain.

Since it took me 12 sec to whip up, please do not comment on my Cartographic abilities snicker.

Don Jose de La Mancha El pesto

p.s. Having to live up to my reputation as posted by My buddy ORO --> " not as in romantic-huggy-kissy, REAL DE TAYOPA! Sheesh you really are a romantic" gals

 

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[Cynangyl]

Okay...well it certainly could be as plausible as some of the ideas I have seen here but it would be helpful to have a narrative to go along with the uhhhh hmmmm not allowed to comment on that. snicker

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

OHO CYN AMOR: Try --->

Site with some interesting conjecture about Aztec seafaring. Probably as accurate as a lot of other info other on the web about history, though sifting the wheat from the chaff would be a major job of work.

http://hope-of-israel.org/aztec.htm
http://snipurl.com/284hd [hope-of-israel_org]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Courtesy of our mutual firend, HI Mountain.

Don Jose de La Mancha el Pesto

 

[Cynangyl]

Thanks oh so very much! Looks like I have reading material for awhile!

 

[Gossamer]

Okay...well it certainly could be as plausible as some of the ideas I have seen here but it would be helpful to have a narrative to go along with the uhhhh hmmmm not allowed to comment on that. snicker
Who said you found nothing? Cynangyl

This is my frustration also, I don't know if we are talking LDM or tayopa? Or are we on a ride at disneyland. NO one loves this kind of stuff more than me, I've spent my life on the mystical side, so BB don't get you panties in a wad, no way do I say you're wrong. But on what page are we? As someone with the background I have, the mystical must be proved, otherwise its nothing but fluff. Just like not taking your posts down, stand by your words, I'm reading... we all are.

HI PEEPS: Since I am the devils advocate, show me where this could not be true,, or at least as possible as any theory so far presented. It also could tend to explain our / my hero ORO's theories on Trans-atlantic contacs and trade. Thanks to a lead furnished by my friend Hi Mountain.
Since it took me 12 sec to whip up, please do not comment on my Cartographic abilities snicker.
Don Jose de La Mancha El pesto
I have kinda picked up that thread here, with the references to the Pearl, I have been reading everything I can about that possibility and I think its true. I'm exploring the water ways of the last 1000 yrs. This to me is more than a possibility.

That is a lovely map Don Jose

Quote from: the blindbowman on Today at 04:59:37 AM
so what i found must not be a ball court , thats was good to find out now before i wasted money going back to look ,..i glad your so smart . now i can get back to my farm chores......you herd it from her she says i found nothing ........latter

Again, BB... this is not meant to say you are wrong ... I find your writing intriguing, although the cut and paste encylopedia is a little over the top.
Shoot and when you come out here, I will be the first to buy you a cup of coffee,
even if its on the way home. Just tell me what you think about what you find. As for the solstice circles being medicine wheels, I don't believe, I think they are more ancient than that.
I've known about them for a long time and its a strange place, I don't think we have given credit to the ancients. But I do believe that having the 23 days of something brighter than Venus visible during the day, certainly changed a lot of things.
BB, Oro, I will challenge you, its my nature... I'm very good at research and i know the mystical side, so this is a lot of fun for me, I find you guys intriguing, but I'm not going to let you run rough shod over things I do know about. What is the info Hi Mountain gave you, Oro? The story of the Pearl is one of the most intriguing stories I've ever heard.

on the north west trails leading into the supers... where the LaBarge Canyon Trail intersects with the trail out of goldfield. There is a Ruin Nearby and close enough to that ruin there is a pile of stacked copper ore .. last time I was there it was partially hidden and not as stacked as it once was but its there and was purposely stacked and not natural..
I never did find where the ore might have came from but I would venture to say it was a trail marker of old and was there to say something possbily about an old mine.
and that is right about near the 33rd Lat
You have (Copper Producing Towns) Miami, Globe, Morenci and the towns in between that are ghost towns now....... Copperhill, Stanton (Gila County version) Richmond Basin, Seneca, and a few more...... so your theory could hold true..... As I know some gold producing areas around there that are in the same vicinity of that Lat...

I agree, actually I started putting that together awhile back, I believe that there is underground tunnels or even temples. This what I'm most interested in, what was here before the Indians. Who were the mound builders? Where did they go? This is the treasure I seek.
I would never presume to say another is wrong, BB, you are a pain... but one I can live with. But if there are things that don't make sense, mystical or no... I'm going to challenge you. Just take a breath, RV me, I'll bet I surprise you.
Janiece

 

[Gossamer]

YIKES... did I offend or scare everybody...lol

 

[Gossamer]

This is what I found on Wikipedia
The parallel 33° north is an imaginary circle of latitude that is 33 degrees north of the Earth's equatorial plane.

Starting at the prime meridian and heading eastwards, the parallel 33° north passes through:

Algeria;
Tunisia;
Libya;
The Mediterranean Sea;
Israel;
The Golan Heights;
Syria;
Jordan;
Iraq;
Iran;
Afghanistan;
Pakistan;
Kashmir (area administered by Pakistan, and area administered by India);
India;
Disputed area between India and the People's Republic of China;
The People's Republic of China (including Tibet);
East China Sea;
Japan (Nakadori, Kyūshū and Shikoku);
The Pacific Ocean;
The United States;
California (San Clemente Island and mainland);
Arizona;
New Mexico;
Texas;
Arkansas / Louisiana (see below);
Mississippi;
Alabama;
Georgia;
South Carolina;
The Atlantic Ocean;
Portugal (Porto Santo Island, Madeira);
Morocco.

The 33rd Parallel is part of the horse latitudes.

Horse latitudes or Subtropical High are subtropic latitudes between 30 and 35 degrees both north and south. This region, under a ridge of high pressure called the Subtropical ridge, is an area which receives little precipitation and has variable winds mixed with calm. The term "Horse Latitudes" may owe its name to the fact that early colonialist sailors would accidentally come too close to the center of the Atlantic Ocean while crossing it and get stuck in this belt of calm weather where winds tend to lift off the water instead of blowing across it, along with little current. The confused sea, muggy heat, and rolling and pitching of waves (variably stilled and aerated by winds) often slowed colonial ships for days to weeks due to lack of propulsion. The crew would throw horses overboard in order to conserve water and food. This also reduced the weight of the ship, thereby lightening the load and increased the speed of the ship in the low winds.[1]

The consistently warm, dry conditions of the horse latitudes also contribute to the existence of temperate deserts, such as the Sahara Desert in Africa, the southwestern United States and northern Mexico, and parts of the Middle East in the Northern Hemisphere, and the Atacama Desert, the Kalahari Desert, and the Australian Desert in the Southern Hemisphere.

I wonder when the women and children got thrown in... yeeessh
Janiece

 

[Cynangyl]

horse lattitudes eh...I am wondering about the women and children too! sheesh! and no, even with that tidbit of information you did not offend or scare me. I typically do a lot more reading than I do posting in this area as I know very little and am fascinated by the topic. You folks in here are like encyclopedias and I am just soaking up all the info I can.

 

[the blindbowman]

"challenge me "

you dont know what a challenge is ....

for you say that to me is a insault . in fact i find presonal challenges insaulting ...

dont ask me anything, just go get a blindfold and dont take it off for 3 months and before put you it on tell somone to take it off when they feel its time .. so you dont know if or when you will ever see again , then come challenge me .....your wasteing my time ...


i have my reasons to think what i do and i know more about it then any one here .. if you feel you know more then i do good for you . you show me where these things are and i will challenge you and see if you like it .. i can push it way beyond challengeing .....

the people at this site think i just jump to any wild idea that passes by ... wrong i question everything even things most will never see or even under stand ...


will it matter ,,no ..

could i teach you a language over night ... mst likely not ...


take away the pictures and drawings and use just the eyes to speak back and forth .. could you under stand this language , a unspoken ESP


this was a culture of highly skilled shaman , they di not act like other tribes and they most likely were very isolated to them selfs .. other then the game ..

no rubber ball a human head ....one wins ,one loses .. the loser becomes the next ball ...to remind the others who they are definding ...each tribe had its winers and losers ....lol they still do ...

 

[Gossamer]

Ok BB... just answer one question and I will pay the reverance you deserve... When you look outside in your backyard, tell me what you see... just describe it. I'm just curious, I realize that you don't think me worthy, but just this once. Ok.
Janiece

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA amigos,

Blindbowman wrote:

so what i found must not be a ball court , thats was good to find out now before i wasted money going back to look ,..i glad your so smart . now i can get back to my farm chores......you herd it from her she says i found nothing ........latter

What? Blindbowman mi amigo this is exactly why I am not going to keep pestering you with questions followed by more questions – we have a LOT of misunderstanding in our communications. We live in two different worlds that overlap here, and things get taken the WRONG way all the time. Who said you found nothing? I sure can’t find it here – was it by PM? So what if one person or a thousand say it is nothing, only you know the facts on this; and for that matter we do have something like 24,000 members here, so if one person said “Blindbowman found zilch” then you will completely turn your back on the other 23,999 and refuse even to go back to your sites? I just don’t understand your logic there amigo, and proves my point about how our words are being so easily and quickly mis-understood. I don’t know how to put the questions into the correct words so that you will not be either offended or take the wrong way, as seems to happen WAY too often. I would suggest to you too that you quit threatening to leave Treasurenet – for much the same reasons listed; why should you have to leave? So what if one person or ten people don’t agree with you or don’t like you? Does that mean that they are a majority? I am sure there are members here who don’t like me, it doesn’t mean I can’t be here to talk with friends – we can’t have EVERYONE like us. For someone with your intelligence I would expect these facts should be obvious, and there should not be quite so many misunderstandings. I know for a fact that you have a good sense of humor, so please don’t be quite so quick to take a statement as some kind of insult or affront – we have plenty of real insults as it is!

Don Real de Tayopa wrote:

please do not comment on my Cartographic abilities

Why should I not comment on your map-making abilities, when you have shown how skilled you are already, having found Tayopa? I was already impressed amigo, and unless you start drawing in crayon you will not see any kind of remark from ME deprecating your cartographic skills. Besides, if I were to try my own hand, folks would be convinced I was using Crayolas! That is an interesting map amigo, it would fit with the Mid-atlantic Ridge system too.

Gossamer wrote:

BB, Oro, I will challenge you, its my nature... I'm very good at research and i know the mystical side, so this is a lot of fun for me, I find you guys intriguing, but I'm not going to let you run rough shod over things I do know about. What is the info Hi Mountain gave you, Oro? The story of the Pearl is one of the most intriguing stories I've ever heard.

Well I rather enjoy discussion with someone who presents challenges, how dull our banter would be if we were all of a single mind after all. I won’t try to ‘run rough-shod’ over facts, but expect the same courtesy in return.

Gossamer also wrote:

did I offend or scare everybody...lol

Speaking only for myself, YES you frighten the living daylights out of me! (I am kidding of course) I suspect that Blindbowman has been offended but probably by ME, which was not my intent. I merely don’t want to keep pestering him with what must seem like an endless stream of questions and “respectfully disagree”-ments to him. I think I tested his patience quite enough with my questions but that should have no effect on the discourse of everyone else. The information from Highmountain is on another thread, I will post the linkee if you like; there is quite a lot of material posted there.


Blindbowman - take it easy amigo no one is throwing rocks here, just interested in what you have to say. You are among friends here, believe it or not.
your friend,
Oroblanco

 

[Highmountain]

"challenge me "

you dont know what a challenge is ....

for you say that to me is a insault . in fact i find presonal challenges insaulting ...

dont ask me anything, just go get a blindfold and dont take it off for 3 months and before put you it on tell somone to take it off when they feel its time .. so you dont know if or when you will ever see again , then come challenge me .....your wasteing my time ...


i have my reasons to think what i do and i know more about it then any one here .. if you feel you know more then i do good for you . you show me where these things are and i will challenge you and see if you like it .. i can push it way beyond challengeing .....

the people at this site think i just jump to any wild idea that passes by ... wrong i question everything even things most will never see or even under stand ...


will it matter ,,no ..

could i teach you a language over night ... mst likely not ...


take away the pictures and drawings and use just the eyes to speak back and forth .. could you under stand this language , a unspoken ESP


this was a culture of highly skilled shaman , they di not act like other tribes and they most likely were very isolated to them selfs .. other then the game ..

no rubber ball a human head ....one wins ,one loses .. the loser becomes the next ball ...to remind the others who they are definding ...each tribe had its winers and losers ....lol they still do ...

A sport that keeps everyone young might have a lot of appeal in modern society. Probably playing a game of that sort the whole object is to keep your head.

Interesting scenario. Thanks for sharing it.
Jack

 

[Gossamer]

Oro the Peacemaker...
I meant nor intended any insult to BB, but all know this except him.

I would love the threads.
I love the pages you posted I've been busy reading all afternoon, great stuff!!
Its too easy to play this, so if I'm pestering, I will sit quietly and read.
Questions answered with questions are an old trick. (yawn)

Oro, the pages you sent... I agree, there was a civilisation, I believe that if we peruse the museums and old journals the story could be told. The Bible is a great historical document. Names and places are always the clue. In the Bible people are given names that are descriptions ie: Adam=red earth in Hebrew. Some of that could be utilized in the research you and I are doing.
Cahokia... Kahokia
canal - Ca Nal
Main Entry: 1 ca·nal
Function: noun
Pronunciation: k&-'nal
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin canalis pipe, channel, from canna reed -- more at CANE
1 a tubular anatomical passage or channel DUCT
2 CHANNEL, WATERCOURSE
3 an artificial waterway for navigation or for draining or irrigating land

Main Entry cane
Pronunciation \ˈkān\
Function noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Middle French, from Old Occitan cana, from Latin canna, from Greek kanna, of Semitic origin; akin to Akkadian qanū reed, Hebrew qāneh
Date: 14th century

We of course know of the most famous Cane, the bad boy of the bible.

To convey a proper idea of the size and shape of the Dead Sea travellers often compare it to the Lake of Geneva. The resemblance between the two is striking in almost every particular.
Janiece

 

[Gossamer]

I asked one question, when you look at the old barn, past the tree... how high is the hill?
Janiece

 

[the blindbowman]

I asked one question, when you look at the old barn, past the tree... how high is the hill?
Janiece

how did you know the barn was past the tree...? i never said it was did i ...?

 

[Gossamer]

Quote from: Gossamer on Today at 08:44:50 PM
I asked one question, when you look at the old barn, past the tree... how high is the hill?
Janiece

BB...how did you know the barn was past the tree...? i never said it was did i ...?

how high is the hill?
Janiece

 

[the blindbowman]

Quote from: Gossamer on Today at 08:44:50 PM
I asked one question, when you look at the old barn, past the tree... how high is the hill?
Janiece

BB...how did you know the barn was past the tree...? i never said it was did i ...?

how high is the hill?
Janiece

how long was the fish ...?

 

[Gossamer]

YAWN
Janiece

 

[the blindbowman]

Quote from: Gossamer on Today at 08:44:50 PM
I asked one question, when you look at the old barn, past the tree... how high is the hill?
Janiece

BB...how did you know the barn was past the tree...? i never said it was did i ...?

how high is the hill?
Janiece

eceinaj
?llih eht si hgih woh

 

[the blindbowman]

so you are lookig for the catcoms ....?