Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[BeenThereDoneThat2]

OVID

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Officially his name was ORVID RAYMOND ARNOLD. MAKE A NOTE OF IT BDD.
REST IN PEACE "OVID".

 

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[Bigdogdad]

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Officially his name was ORVID RAYMOND ARNOLD. MAKE A NOTE OF IT BDD.
REST IN PEACE "OVID".

His official name may have been Orvid but he told me and everybody else it was Ovid. When the reporters asked him how to spell his name he told them View attachment 965885O V I D. I will stick with that name, but thanks for posting this. The dates on the tombstone are correct. It is he and his wife's grave.

 

[Bigdogdad]

ECS, vor, lastleg-I hope you are enjoying this thread. You certainly seem to "like" each other a lot. I will give you a heads up. I am setting you up for a big fall. I have continued to give you more rope with which to hang yourselves. There is a method to my madness. I have in a crazy kind of way jinxed the majority of my own digs. It was not that I didn't try, it was just that my heart was not into actually pulling anything from the ground. The closer I got to the treasures, the more I let the spirits try to get me to quit. I have not wholeheartedly wanted to find anything until I have the ability to find it all.

I have been learning everything I can on how to find and detect precious metals. My dad was an engineer and I got a lot of my way of thinking from him. My mom is more of a dreamer and I got that from her. Believe it or not but I have been working toward a specific goal from the time I was a little kid. I want to find buried treasure with the whole world watching me do it. Then I want to go out and find more so that the guys like ECS, vor, lastleg will look like fools for the way they made fun of me. I am sure they think their little "like" club is cute.

Ovid could do everything he said he could. I did not have the experience and tools to be able to follow thru with actually digging anything up. I was more interested in accumulating more treasure sites than trying my best to dig some up. I did not originally plan to wait this long to really go for it but I think there are higher forces at work. Anybody can scoff at this and laugh all they want. I actually enjoy making people laugh, but I will assure you I will have the last laugh.

I would certainly like to have some of the treasure for myself and my family but my long term goal is to share it with people that deserve it. There is plenty out there to find.

I spent a rainy day today lining up the big one/s. One method has led me to what I think is a big treasure. Another method has led me to the same spot. GPR has shown the target EXACTLY where we think it is. The contracts are in place. Plans are being made on how best to go about digging up the find in such a way that the whole world will see it happen live. It will be a "barrel" of fun. Stay tuned for details.

View attachment 965898 Finding my first "treasure". Wait till you see my next.

 

[ECS]

...Ovid's friend...is told by Mel that he knows nothing about Ovid.He may not have...

From the Steve Reilly article you posted:
"Arnold even convinced Florida treasure hunter Mel Fisher of his ability when he pointed out on a map with his dowsing equiptment the spots where Fisher had discovered gold,Arnold said."
NOTE: "had discovered";"pointed out on a map"
If Ovid was on the bow of one of Fisher's vessel with his pendulum discovering the Atocha,as has been stated many times on this very thread,why didn't Ovid mention that to Steve Reilly?
When asked about Ovid,Mel seems not to know him,and you state he may not have.
This is a quite different version that what has been presented on earlier posts.

 

[Bigdogdad]

From the Steve Reilly article you posted:
"Arnold even convinced Florida treasure hunter Mel Fisher of his ability when he pointed out on a map with his dowsing equiptment the spots where Fisher had discovered gold,Arnold said."
NOTE: "had discovered";"pointed out on a map"
If Ovid was on the bow of one of Fisher's vessel with his pendulum discovering the Atocha,as has been stated many times on this very thread,why didn't Ovid mention that to Steve Reilly?
When asked about Ovid,Mel seems not to know him,and you state he may not have.
This is a quite different version that what has been presented on earlier posts.

This is a perfect example of a point I have made to you about your research methods. You rely heavily on old newspaper articles for your so-called "facts". Have you yourself ever been interviewed by a reporter and then quoted in a newspaper article? I have had numerous articles written about something I have been involved in. I read a newspaper daily. It is full of misquotes, incorrect names, wrong dates, misspellings, and more.

Ovid may or may not have shown Mel Fisher sites on a map, It may have been the Captain of one of the Fisher boats. Ovid may have told the reporter he was on the bow of the boat and was misquoted. Mel may or may not have actually known who Ovid was. Read the articles. Read what I post. I spent five years going on trips with Ovid. He told me his story dozens of times. ECS-Believe what and whom you want to. Your choice.

I also don't think I ever said Ovid discovered the Atocha, I said he put them on a pile of gold from the Atocha. There was more than one location of gold.

If you want to convince us that your "research" is spot-on and 100% factual, and then continue to tell us that you rely on old newspaper articles, that just shows me how naïve you may really be.

 

[ECS]

Ovid stood on the bow of one of Mel Fisher's boats and put them over two spots.One was a pile of silver near Ft. Pierce and the other was a pile of gold from the Atocha...as far as I am concerned it is true...

A trip down memory lane on this thread.

 

[lastleg]

One reason the Fishers may not remember an "Ovid" is quite simple. With a North Carolina dialect
the man might have been called "Aahvid" not Oovid, with the R pronounced as Aah. Since you were
introduced to someone calling himself OOO-VID he could not have been the same person who put
Mel Fisher on the various sites to dive on. Whether that makes him an imposter is not for me to say.
Either way OR doesn't sound like an O.

 

[ECS]

... For the record it was not Mel Fisher's group that told Ovid not to call anymore, it was Mel Fisher himself.

Another of the many contradictions concerning Ovid and Mel Fisher on this thread.

 

[lastleg]

So Mel Fisher himself told R-VID to get lost?

 

[BeenThereDoneThat2]

Tobacco Road

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So hear me all and listen good. I do not care if BDD knew Orvid Raymond Arnold as "Sweet Baby
Ray," but for some STRANGE REASON when I gather info on a subject, I like a COMPLETE PROFILE.

 

[ECS]

So Mel Fisher himself told R-VID to get lost?

One of the many contradictive statements made by BDD concerning Ovid and Mel Fisher and the Atocha discovery-
Mel Fisher knows,doesn't know Ovid-Ovid on the bow of a Fisher boat with pendulum swinging,Ovid map dowsed sites After the Atocha was discovered to "convince Mel",etc.
This is an example on how lore becomes legend.

 

[Bigdogdad]

One reason the Fishers may not remember an "Ovid" is quite simple. With a North Carolina dialect
the man might have been called "Aahvid" not Oovid, with the R pronounced as Aah. Since you were
introduced to someone calling himself OOO-VID he could not have been the same person who put
Mel Fisher on the various sites to dive on. Whether that makes him an imposter is not for me to say.
Either way OR doesn't sound like an O.

This is not worthy of a rebuttal from me. But of course ECS likes it as he and lastleg have a 'like" affair going on.

 

[Bigdogdad]

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So hear me all and listen good. I do not care if BDD knew Orvid Raymond Arnold as "Sweet Baby
Ray," but for some STRANGE REASON when I gather info on a subject, I like a COMPLETE PROFILE.

So your example of gathering info on this subject is to post a picture of a tombstone? You consider this a "complete profile?

 

[Bigdogdad]

One of the many contradictive statements made by BDD concerning Ovid and Mel Fisher and the Atocha discovery-
Mel Fisher knows,doesn't know Ovid-Ovid on the bow of a Fisher boat with pendulum swinging,Ovid map dowsed sites After the Atocha was discovered to "convince Mel",etc.
This is an example on how lore becomes legend.

I don't know why I even bother dealing with the likes of ECS and his gang of cyber bullies. Okay, so there is ECS. lastleg, vor, and now DTBT, against me. Four to one. I don't think this is really fair. If we our going to have a war-of wits I think you need to bring BCH and maipenrai on to your side to even things out. Six to one, yeah that would be more fair. I don't want anyone else on my side as I can handle this with one eye tied behind my back.

For the record-Ovid did not help them "discover" the Atocha, he did guide a crew out of Ft Pierce on to what they later described as a "pile of gold". I believe this was well after gold was already being found in other locations related to the Atocha.

Ovid and Mel Fisher never met in person. Ovid did meet with the Ft Pierce Fisher crew, once when he initially went out with them, and then later when he came back to the dock site. It was at this time when they told him of finding the gold/silver.

As far as the statement about Ovid map dowsing for Mel Fisher himself, ECS pulled this from a newspaper article written by a guy taking poor notes while talking with Ovid for a very brief time on our second Englewood dig. Hardly credible.

Ovid could not get Mel to acknowledge what he did and it is entirely possible that Mel may never have known Ovid by name. I wasn't there. This all occurred long before I met Ovid.

I was not going to put names on here but it was Arnold Lorenz that initially talked to Mel in the Key West bar. It was Arnold Lorenz that tried to get Ovid compensated for what he had done. When the Mel/Arnold Lorenz phone conversation took place Ovid had already written it all off. It was during this last call that Mel told Lorenz that he did not know anything about Ovid and told him not to call back about it. It was during these calls that the secretary at the time answering the phone told Lorenz that she had heard about the old man dowser putting them onto some gold.

None of this really matters. It all took place around 30 years ago. Everyone reading this can come to their own conclusions. There will be no winner on here concerning this. I am not concerned about trying to get anyone that is still alive to admit to any of it. There is nothing to be gained by anybody. If ECS thinks he is making me look like I don't know what I am talking about you have to wonder what his motivation is. Why does he care so much and put forth so much effort to try to prove me wrong?

There are others that claim to know about all this. What was told to me backs up what Ovid has said. I refuse to name names as I am not on trial. I even asked if I could quote what I was told and the answer was yes. Maybe this can be discussed at the Treasure Hunter's barbecue on May 26. I have no problem discussing things with REAL people. Initials like ECS on a board such as this are like the Wizard hiding behind the curtain in the "Wizard of Oz" . Lots of smoke and mirrors, but when the curtain is pulled back all we see is a sad little man.

 

[BeenThereDoneThat2]

For:BDD

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Just for the record BDD. Is that a flag of truce, or are you going to later claim that you were

just drying some personal undergarment on the end of a pole?

 

[Bigdogdad]

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Just for the record BDD. Is that a flag of truce, or are you going to later claim that you were

just drying some personal undergarment on the end of a pole?

Where I come from when you put up a white flag that means you are surrendering as you have lost the battle. I haven't lost any battle but I am becoming bored with all the nitpicking of inconsequential details of events of the distant past. I read some of the other forums and threads and there is arguing that has been going on for many years with no end in sight. My AADD is starting to kick in and if I am not careful I will tell ECS and his pals how I really feel. As this is a kinder, gentler website we are not supposed to hurt any ones tender feelings.

I am debating starting a new thread for my next treasure adventure. I really think now is the time to dig up a big one. There are many ways that I can handle the whole process and it would be interesting to hear how others would do it.

 

[Bigdogdad]

ECS has mentioned the Gamble mansion/plantation in his posts about Civil War gold passing thru the Rocky Bluff area. This is very close to the pirate camp and this is the mansion in the background.


View attachment 966377 A couple of my boys and I hanging out at the park.

 

[Bigdogdad]

One of the many places Ovid led me to was just outside Cherokee North Carolina. Go a mile or so outside town heading towards Gatlinburg. There is a bridge on the right crossing the river and it has a road on the other side that leads to a boy scout camp. I don't know if any of it has changed in the many years since I have been there. After turning left onto the road on the other side you will go just a little ways and you will be at one of the possible gold treasure sites. Ovid led me to the spot from about a mile away.View attachment 966428 He told me there was gold about 10 feet below where he was standing. View attachment 966430

I could not dig in the spot he marked so I looked around.


View attachment 966431 I saw these old steps leading down to the river very close to where he was saying the gold was. I noticed that he was standing above a giant cracked boulder. I worked my way in as close as I could so that I would be directly below him. I could not get back into the crack far enough. I shined a light into the back of the crack and noticed there was an opening that would put me directly below him about 10 feet down. I could not fit. I think someone very small stashed some gold back in the crack to the left. I am not worried about somebody finding this. Go for it. I mention it in my e-book but as I am not marketing the book not to many people know of this. For the record I have made three sales to TNET members, two of those were to vor. This gives him a little more insight into my story but as he has no belief in dowsing I think he thinks I am full of BS.


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I am showing these photos to give the readers an idea of what Ovid and I's trips were like. He could lead me to treasure but I couldn't always dig.

Did anyone ever get involved with or know about the "hunt for the golden horse" treasure saga. Forrest Fenn's deal reminds me of it. The golden horse hunt was back in the late 80's. Ovid and I went after it.

 

[lastleg]

Although I do not know ECS personally I do LIKE his method of presenting facts. I have found that
treasure yarns are usually embellished with obvious discrepancies. It is also obvious that many will
take the embellishments at face value and not undertake due diligence. It used to be the norm for
serious and especially professional treasure hunters to not pack up and leave the house without a
90% certainty of the cache's existence and the means of acquiring such cache without drawing a
crowd of well wishers or claimants. Also the pro kept a careful record of expenses associated with
a taxable event. Realized gains were handled according to IRS standards contrary to popular myths.
Sometimes it was better not to realize a gain at that particular time and was left 'in situ' until a later
time. But in all cases publicity was strictly avoided. For those adventurers freedom to roam the wilds
was unfettered unlike today. That era is gone as well as most of the big ones. Caches are still found,
mostly at random, the multi-million stashes have been hunted to death by people you never hear
about and if found you never hear that either. Bad things happen to people in the limelight as per
Mel, KVM and others. The best thing to wish for is to die in your sleep prepared the other side.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Although I do not know ECS personally I do LIKE his method of presenting facts. I have found that
treasure yarns are usually embellished with obvious discrepancies. It is also obvious that many will
take the embellishments at face value and not undertake due diligence. It used to be the norm for
serious and especially professional treasure hunters to not pack up and leave the house without a
90% certainty of the cache's existence and the means of acquiring such cache without drawing a
crowd of well wishers or claimants. Also the pro kept a careful record of expenses associated with
a taxable event. Realized gains were handled according to IRS standards contrary to popular myths.
Sometimes it was better not to realize a gain at that particular time and was left 'in situ' until a later
time. But in all cases publicity was strictly avoided. For those adventurers freedom to roam the wilds
was unfettered unlike today. That era is gone as well as most of the big ones. Caches are still found,
mostly at random, the multi-million stashes have been hunted to death by people you never hear
about and if found you never hear that either. Bad things happen to people in the limelight as per
Mel, KVM and others. The best thing to wish for is to die in your sleep prepared the other side.

One of my problems with ECS is his inability to keep any and all facts straight. If you want to believe everything he comes up with that is your prerogative. He does seem to be very good at coming up with lots of names and places but just as with the newspaper reporters he makes a lot of mistakes.

As far as a professional treasure hunter always having a 90% certainty of finding treasure, I think that sounds a little overly optimistic and entirely unrealistic. Now if I heard that from ECS I might believe it.

Keeping things secret in the "old days" was a lot simpler. Now we all have cell phones, Facebook, Twitter, the internet, Google, and websites such as TNET. We have reality shows where nothing is sacred. There is Oprah, Phil, Jerry, and more to help people share their darkest secrets. So if someone were to find the big one, keeping it a secret and to themselves is almost impossible. We have become a society of gossipers.

Cell phones with built-in GPS track our every move. Even our cars transmit our location. On-Star has the capability to listen in on our conversations as we drive. Cameras are everywhere. Satellite cameras that can read the serial numbers on a dollar bill are looking down on us 24/7. They can see into buildings. The IRS can track every expenditure we make thru credit and debit card transactions.

Okay so you find the big one. If you can't spend money from it, it may not do you any good. You go public with it and now you have to worry about crack heads and if you believe what you see on TV and the movies all forms of lowlifes will be after you and your treasure. You don't report it to the IRS and they find out you may have them knocking down your door in the middle of the night taking everything of value that you own. Computers, files, cameras, guns, money, and more, out the door, never to be seen again.

lastleg-You say that bad things happen to people in the limelight. I have news for you, bad things are happening on a daily basis to people that are NOT in the limelight. If by winning the lottery you had to go public with it, would you still want to win? There are thousands of people in the limelight that seem to be doing just fine.

For the record, one of my biggest worries about finding treasure is the safety of my family. I am not worried about myself, and my friends will tell you that I would be more than happy to send a few bad guys to the other side, down under that is.

My thoughts at the time is that if I knew for a fact where a serious treasure was buried I would attempt to make money off of the event of actually digging it up. I will go into more detail in a future post.