Vox, don't abuse. Enough is enough. Answer the questions. I tell you this because I appreciate you and your opinions. You're loosing the (big or few) prestige you have (at least before my eyes). In serious, stop playing as a child and be conscious that you are in a forum where usually there are not fools around but people that know what we all are talking about. It's so obvious you're rejecting to answer any question that it embarrasses me. Tell just what you can, but try to be honest in your statements, please.
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Odyssey Odyssey Odyssey That is all I read nowadays . And ....now the name calling starts !!! Why don't you guys get a life and shut up about Odyssey . Give this forum back to the real treasure divers . I am so glad I did meet some of the down to earth divers and salvagers at the cook out in Orlando . These are the right guys that don't bs about Odyssey all the time but are the real working divers . Cornelius
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trinidad said:
Trini,
the anonymity is vibrant, but again I say:
I have not to explain my actions or thoughts. This is an item on Odyssey. And on the proceedings of Odyssey we speak, not mine. I have no need to explain anything because anything I am claim (for now). There are arguments that I can not qualify in this forum or publicly. These arguments will be known at the appropriate time. I have my reasons to say. I repeat, we are dealing with "matters of state," Try out for them is the issue on Odyssey appeared on Wikileaks (for example).
I have an open charge in a court in Cadiz, and only this would be a good reason for not writing anything at all.
I'm sure the truth will prevail and that the whole mess will be known in detail.
All the best VV
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Cornelius, I respect what you do and your commitment to treasure hunting.cornelis 816 said:
But as the blog Reads " Odyssey Marine " Nobody forces you to read this blog
Don't read it 
Treasure net is a big forum, Whats your problem
Odyssey losing is not upsetting you is it ? That's when children start name calling " get a life and shutup "
This is about Odyssey and not what the local divers do for a living. I'm a coin collector and have brought many colonial coins from the local divers.
What Odyssey did was wrong !!!! Give what took back and get on with salvaging.
Ossy
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Very good question Claudio...Au_Dreamers said:
Two scenarios : Odyssey did take them from Portuguese waters, they had the time back in 2008 and free Raine. They had permission to look
for the Sussex.
The Mercedes you say you found, is another shipwreck near Portugal ?
You had dealings with Odyssey, tell us what happen.
Ossy
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If they are required to give it back they should just spread the artifacts all along the seabed floor for about 25 square miles, let spain go pick them up one at a time.
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Vox veritas said:
Speaking of the cannons, what happened with those now? Did Spain go back to the site to recover those as evidence or for their maritime museum or are they waiting for Odyssey to recover those so they can 'cry' over people stealing their wrecks some more?
TW
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It was a great time cornelis, looking forward to the next one.....
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http://www.elpais.com/articulo/engl...le/shield/unit/elpepueng/20111005elpeng_9/Ten
US Navy to have permanent base in Cadiz, Next time Odyssey come out, Spain can send out the US navy to arrest them
US Navy to have permanent base in Cadiz, Next time Odyssey come out, Spain can send out the US navy to arrest them
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The U. S. Navy will be there to protect Odyssey from illegal serch and seizure like Spain did.
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The same way the US government backs Odysseydiverdan said:
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Pssstt... We'll help you get those coins back if you give us a painting and a Naval Base 
I believe the Imperialist have finally taken back North America
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OMEX finds ANOTHER Treasure Ship
Silver Treasure, Worth $18 Million, Found in North Atlantic
Odyssey Marine Exploration
Odyssey's ROV inspection of the SS Mantola site, approximately 2,500 meters deep, revealed the bridge deck accommodations with the promenade behind the railings and one of the cabins in the background.
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: October 10, 201
Off Ireland in 1917, a German torpedo sank the British steam ship Mantola, sending the vessel and its cargo of an estimated 20 tons of silver to the seabed more than a mile down. At today’s prices, the metal would be worth about $18 million.
Odyssey Marine Exploration, based in Tampa, Fla., said it had visually confirmed the identity of the Mantola with a tethered robot last month during an expedition and had been contracted by the British Department for Transport (a successor to the Ministry of War Transport) to retrieve the lost riches.
In recent years, cash-strapped governments have started looking to lost cargoes as a way to raise money. They do so because the latest generation of robots, lights, cameras and claws can withstand the deep’s crushing pressures and have opened up a new world of shipwreck recovery.
“A lot of new and interesting opportunities are presenting themselves,” said Greg Stemm, the chief executive of Odyssey. The new finding, he added, is the company’s second discovery of a deep-ocean wreck for the British government this year.
In such arrangements, private companies put their own money at risk in costly expeditions and split any profits. In this case, Odyssey is to get 80 percent of the silver’s value and the British government 20 percent. It plans to attempt the recovery this spring, along with that of its previous find.
Last month, Odyssey announced its discovery of the British steam ship Gairsoppa off Ireland and estimated its cargo at up to 240 tons of silver — a trove worth more than $200 million. The Gairsoppa was torpedoed in 1941.
Both ships had been owned by the British Indian Steam Navigation Company and both were found by Odyssey during expeditions in the past few months. Odyssey said that the Mantola’s sinking in 1917 had prompted the British government to pay out an insurance claim on about 600,000 troy ounces of silver, or more than 20 tons.
Mr. Stemm said the Mantola’s silver should make “a great target for testing some new technology” of deep-sea retrieval.
The Mantola was less than a year old when, on Feb. 4, 1917, she steamed out of London on her last voyage, bound for Calcutta. According to Odyssey, the ship carried 18 passengers, 165 crew members and diverse cargo. The captain was David James Chivas, the great-nephew of the Chivas Brothers, known for their Chivas Regal brand of Scotch whiskey.
Four days out of port, a German submarine fired a torpedo and the ship sank with minimal loss of life.
In an expedition last month, Odyssey lowered a tethered robot that positively identified the wreck. The evidence included the ship’s dimensions, its layout and a display of painted letters on the stern that fit the words “Mantola” and “Glasgow,” the ship’s home port.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/science/11shipwreck.html?_r=1
Silver Treasure, Worth $18 Million, Found in North Atlantic
Odyssey Marine Exploration
Odyssey's ROV inspection of the SS Mantola site, approximately 2,500 meters deep, revealed the bridge deck accommodations with the promenade behind the railings and one of the cabins in the background.
By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: October 10, 201
Off Ireland in 1917, a German torpedo sank the British steam ship Mantola, sending the vessel and its cargo of an estimated 20 tons of silver to the seabed more than a mile down. At today’s prices, the metal would be worth about $18 million.
Odyssey Marine Exploration, based in Tampa, Fla., said it had visually confirmed the identity of the Mantola with a tethered robot last month during an expedition and had been contracted by the British Department for Transport (a successor to the Ministry of War Transport) to retrieve the lost riches.
In recent years, cash-strapped governments have started looking to lost cargoes as a way to raise money. They do so because the latest generation of robots, lights, cameras and claws can withstand the deep’s crushing pressures and have opened up a new world of shipwreck recovery.
“A lot of new and interesting opportunities are presenting themselves,” said Greg Stemm, the chief executive of Odyssey. The new finding, he added, is the company’s second discovery of a deep-ocean wreck for the British government this year.
In such arrangements, private companies put their own money at risk in costly expeditions and split any profits. In this case, Odyssey is to get 80 percent of the silver’s value and the British government 20 percent. It plans to attempt the recovery this spring, along with that of its previous find.
Last month, Odyssey announced its discovery of the British steam ship Gairsoppa off Ireland and estimated its cargo at up to 240 tons of silver — a trove worth more than $200 million. The Gairsoppa was torpedoed in 1941.
Both ships had been owned by the British Indian Steam Navigation Company and both were found by Odyssey during expeditions in the past few months. Odyssey said that the Mantola’s sinking in 1917 had prompted the British government to pay out an insurance claim on about 600,000 troy ounces of silver, or more than 20 tons.
Mr. Stemm said the Mantola’s silver should make “a great target for testing some new technology” of deep-sea retrieval.
The Mantola was less than a year old when, on Feb. 4, 1917, she steamed out of London on her last voyage, bound for Calcutta. According to Odyssey, the ship carried 18 passengers, 165 crew members and diverse cargo. The captain was David James Chivas, the great-nephew of the Chivas Brothers, known for their Chivas Regal brand of Scotch whiskey.
Four days out of port, a German submarine fired a torpedo and the ship sank with minimal loss of life.
In an expedition last month, Odyssey lowered a tethered robot that positively identified the wreck. The evidence included the ship’s dimensions, its layout and a display of painted letters on the stern that fit the words “Mantola” and “Glasgow,” the ship’s home port.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/science/11shipwreck.html?_r=1
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Apparently they recovered a cannon.
http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel/tag/odyssey-marine-exploration
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We've covered their error in believing that cannon was unique to the Mercedes.
"The rest of his large family — his wife, three sons, four daughters, and a nephew — stayed aboard the Mercedes "
"The court subsequently ruled that Foreign Sovereign Immunity applied to the case, because the treasure came from a Spanish warship."
" On Wednesday the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, in a 53-page opinion that cites the de Alvear story"
So how many "warships" transport entire families? How could the court decide it was a warship if they cite that story
"ruled that the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act bars U.S. courts from hearing a case involving rights to treasure that a company called Odyssey Marine Exploration recovered from the site of the 1804 Mercedes explosion."
"The Eleventh Circuit disagreed, finding that the district court correctly concluded that the FSIA means U.S. courts don’t have jurisdiction"
If the court is barred and has no jurisdiction then they have no AUTHORITY!
" 53-page opinion" and you know what they say about opinions and buttholes, everyone has one.
How could this court prior to this case be known as the only court in the world to handle such a case if they actually are barred from such a case and have no authority in such a case?
"The rest of his large family — his wife, three sons, four daughters, and a nephew — stayed aboard the Mercedes "
"The court subsequently ruled that Foreign Sovereign Immunity applied to the case, because the treasure came from a Spanish warship."
" On Wednesday the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, in a 53-page opinion that cites the de Alvear story"
So how many "warships" transport entire families? How could the court decide it was a warship if they cite that story
"ruled that the Foreign Sovereign Immunity Act bars U.S. courts from hearing a case involving rights to treasure that a company called Odyssey Marine Exploration recovered from the site of the 1804 Mercedes explosion."
"The Eleventh Circuit disagreed, finding that the district court correctly concluded that the FSIA means U.S. courts don’t have jurisdiction"
If the court is barred and has no jurisdiction then they have no AUTHORITY!
" 53-page opinion" and you know what they say about opinions and buttholes, everyone has one.
How could this court prior to this case be known as the only court in the world to handle such a case if they actually are barred from such a case and have no authority in such a case?
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......... the cannons found at the site ......
http://books.google.es/books?id=FVJ...#v=onepage&q=odyssey+mercedes+cannons&f=false
http://books.google.es/books?id=FVJ...#v=onepage&q=odyssey+mercedes+cannons&f=false
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Lobbyists battle over sunken treasure...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ken-treasure/2011/12/12/gIQAn4nauO_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ken-treasure/2011/12/12/gIQAn4nauO_story.html
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Lobbyists? or Shareholders?Jeff K said:
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The golden raising of HMS Victory: Predecessor of Nelson's flagship to be recovered from sea bed 300 years after she sank carrying treasure 'worth £500m'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-years-sank-carrying-treasure-worth-500m.html
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-years-sank-carrying-treasure-worth-500m.html
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What excellent news.
Hopefully all the worlds’ marine archaeologist will get behind this momentous project and support it by assisting where they can with the archaeology and conservation of the many important finds that will be recovered.
This is a part of English Naval History that was little known until Odyssey found the wreck and now the public will be able to share in the knowledge the wreck will reveal.
Well done the UK government for helping this happen.
Hopefully all the worlds’ marine archaeologist will get behind this momentous project and support it by assisting where they can with the archaeology and conservation of the many important finds that will be recovered.
This is a part of English Naval History that was little known until Odyssey found the wreck and now the public will be able to share in the knowledge the wreck will reveal.
Well done the UK government for helping this happen.
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