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Odyssey Marine Article...
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diverlynn
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architecad
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/TREASURE-QUEST-Captures-prnews-13811180.html
and,.......
(need more information here about odyssey)
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and,.......
(need more information here about odyssey)
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Diverlynn. nice trunk what's the history behind it !
Ossy
Ossy
diverlynn
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Ossy,
Don't know, wish I did. I have a renter moving to Panama and she had it in a yard sale last week. All I know is it came from up north.
DL
Don't know, wish I did. I have a renter moving to Panama and she had it in a yard sale last week. All I know is it came from up north.
DL
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Back to the topic, Odyssey court case ! Jeff do you have any news on the Sovereign Immunity ruling !
Ossy
Ossy
architecad
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diverlynn
Very nice trunk. Looks like real treasure chest!!
Architecad
Very nice trunk. Looks like real treasure chest!!
Architecad
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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http://www.europasur.es/article/ocio/304094/archivo/indias/mapa/tesoros/tarifa/huelva.html
I've translated the following excerpt.
The association Velazquez for Seville yesterday sought to exert more control in the transmission of the information obtained from the Archiveo de Indias,
located in the Hispalense capital ( Seville ), with the aim of protecting Spanish subaquatic patrimony.
The spoke person for this group, Jose Guillermo Caballero, suggested that, with the current legislation, " it is not a crime to sell to third parties " the data
obtained in the Archiveo de Indias, all this without " any type of control " on the use of that information.
According to Caballero the illicit use of that information constitutes a crime against Spanish patrimony. Whoever accesses the Archiveo de Indias must assume a commitment to
not transmit the information obtained to companies with a history of theft of the patrimony.
This has already been denounced by academics of the Real Academy of History, and Velazquez for Seville supports this approach.
Caballero further stated that " it is not the same to sell to someone from Mexico a number of hours of investigation to find out his genealogy as to investigate the location and
the details of the cargo of a ship wreck" Caballero assures that " he personally knows that information from the Archiveo de Indias has been used by Odyssey to sack
the frigate Our Lady of the Mercedes"
Caballero stated that " It should be born in mind that in the Gulf of Cadiz alone there is at least 720 documented ship wrecks between the years 1500 and 1820 "
170 ship wrecks loaded with treasure could be found between Tarifa and Huelva. The value of which could reach 24,000 million euros " For example, the San Antonio sunk
in the Guadalquivir river in 1561 ...."
Ossy
I've translated the following excerpt.
The association Velazquez for Seville yesterday sought to exert more control in the transmission of the information obtained from the Archiveo de Indias,
located in the Hispalense capital ( Seville ), with the aim of protecting Spanish subaquatic patrimony.
The spoke person for this group, Jose Guillermo Caballero, suggested that, with the current legislation, " it is not a crime to sell to third parties " the data
obtained in the Archiveo de Indias, all this without " any type of control " on the use of that information.
According to Caballero the illicit use of that information constitutes a crime against Spanish patrimony. Whoever accesses the Archiveo de Indias must assume a commitment to
not transmit the information obtained to companies with a history of theft of the patrimony.
This has already been denounced by academics of the Real Academy of History, and Velazquez for Seville supports this approach.
Caballero further stated that " it is not the same to sell to someone from Mexico a number of hours of investigation to find out his genealogy as to investigate the location and
the details of the cargo of a ship wreck" Caballero assures that " he personally knows that information from the Archiveo de Indias has been used by Odyssey to sack
the frigate Our Lady of the Mercedes"
Caballero stated that " It should be born in mind that in the Gulf of Cadiz alone there is at least 720 documented ship wrecks between the years 1500 and 1820 "
170 ship wrecks loaded with treasure could be found between Tarifa and Huelva. The value of which could reach 24,000 million euros " For example, the San Antonio sunk
in the Guadalquivir river in 1561 ...."
Ossy
Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp
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HI OSSY: An excellent work in interpretation. You kept everything in proper context and didn't interpret literally as many so-called experts do. I liked it.
Don Jose de La Mancha
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Thanks for the information, Ossy.
I am not generally a great supporter of the way Oddysey has gone about its business in recent years, but I think it would be untenable, perhaps even immoral, for Spain to try to differentiate and prejudge the intentions of researchers in its archives, and to restrict some researchers based on a view of the intentions..
Of course, at the moment Spain does not do so. Sr. Caballero is merely expressing an aspiration by his Association that the law might be changed, and of course his statement about Odyssey sacking the Mercedes is emotive and based on a number of assumptions, which might not be true. So far, Oddyssey have not been found guilty of breaking any laws in regard to the Black Swan.
Mariner
I am not generally a great supporter of the way Oddysey has gone about its business in recent years, but I think it would be untenable, perhaps even immoral, for Spain to try to differentiate and prejudge the intentions of researchers in its archives, and to restrict some researchers based on a view of the intentions..
Of course, at the moment Spain does not do so. Sr. Caballero is merely expressing an aspiration by his Association that the law might be changed, and of course his statement about Odyssey sacking the Mercedes is emotive and based on a number of assumptions, which might not be true. So far, Oddyssey have not been found guilty of breaking any laws in regard to the Black Swan.
Mariner
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Discovery News Video...
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/news.html?dcitc=w99-502-ah-1013
The video is on the right side of the screen.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/news.html?dcitc=w99-502-ah-1013
The video is on the right side of the screen.
MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Great PR Jeff, It shows they care about there image.
The reporter asked " Why aren't we all out there getting treasure, It's just siting on the ocean floor just waiting for some to find It !
Somebody forgot to mention, their are LAWS to protect underwater patrimony, she suggest a free for all
Greg Quote " It's Mucking about "
Where not treasure hunters Archeologists look for treasure
Ossy
The reporter asked " Why aren't we all out there getting treasure, It's just siting on the ocean floor just waiting for some to find It !
Somebody forgot to mention, their are LAWS to protect underwater patrimony, she suggest a free for all
Greg Quote " It's Mucking about "
Where not treasure hunters
Archeologists look for treasure Ossy
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MORE AND BEYOND OSSY
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Odyssey are doing a lot of PR work lately.
Their's no argument they have the best technology in the world for finding and recovering ship wrecks !
Aladar Nesser said " We would like to keep working with Spain "
It may have been all different, if they didn't whisk all the coins away in the manner the did !!!
not a good show of faith !
Gilbratar is a touche subject for us Spaniards, it was only rubbing salt in the wound.
Spaniards are a Proud and passionate people, our History goes back a long way .
I personally hope Odyssey do work with Spain ! but they need to be more transparent !
No games like , Black swan rubbish !!!
Feliz Navidad
Ossy
Their's no argument they have the best technology in the world for finding and recovering ship wrecks !
Aladar Nesser said " We would like to keep working with Spain "
It may have been all different, if they didn't whisk all the coins away in the manner the did !!!
not a good show of faith !
Gilbratar is a touche subject for us Spaniards, it was only rubbing salt in the wound.
Spaniards are a Proud and passionate people, our History goes back a long way .
I personally hope Odyssey do work with Spain ! but they need to be more transparent !
No games like , Black swan rubbish !!!
Feliz Navidad
Ossy
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Ossy, that was the most open minded post I've seen you write so far. Good for you. I actually agree with you that Odyssey shouldn't have whisked the coins away. In fact, in earlier projects they worked with affected parties long before recovery to prevent unnecessary legal entanglements. I'm curious as to why they didn't do this with Spain. Perhaps they underestimated Spain's interest, but that's hard to believe.
As far as the "Black Swan rubbish," it's not a point of deception. It's typical to name a project a different name than the actual vessel you're going after. Odyssey has done this in all their projects to help provide some level of security for the project. They never intended for anyone to believe it was actually the Black Swan. It's just a project name.
No doubt Odyssey has learned some powerful lessons. I do hope this snafu hasn't done extensive damage to the treasure salvage business. I suspect it has. Time is of the essence for the treasure salvage industry. I can only hope better collaboration will happen between gov'ts, archies and salvagers.
Merry Christmas,
Darren
As far as the "Black Swan rubbish," it's not a point of deception. It's typical to name a project a different name than the actual vessel you're going after. Odyssey has done this in all their projects to help provide some level of security for the project. They never intended for anyone to believe it was actually the Black Swan. It's just a project name.
No doubt Odyssey has learned some powerful lessons. I do hope this snafu hasn't done extensive damage to the treasure salvage business. I suspect it has. Time is of the essence for the treasure salvage industry. I can only hope better collaboration will happen between gov'ts, archies and salvagers.
Merry Christmas,
Darren
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Interesting Jeff, I also look forward to the Discovery channel programme.
Jeff what's the chance of showing some HD video on the Black Swan ?
by the story, they take Video on all recoveries !
Ossy
Jeff what's the chance of showing some HD video on the Black Swan ?
by the story, they take Video on all recoveries !
Ossy
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