Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!

[ECS]

Some believe the whole world is fiction?

Some believe the fantasy alternative pseudo-history fiction presented in the books of nonprofessional quasi historians as fact.

 

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[Al D]

I am extremely critical of any theory pertaining to Oak Island, especially anything pertaining to the Templars. Conversely, it is unrealistic to believe the entire thing is a hoax. SOMETHING happened on the island, and it is reasonable to suspect it was a depository of some kind.

That said, if you read my original post again, you will see I did not provide a theory about who, what, or when. Instead, the construction of the system I described is based on tangible evidence located on the island. Granted, this is based on the presumption the Lagina's were honest about the carbon dating of the slipway, as well as honest about the items they found in the "Money Pit".

Or plainly stated, just because many people buy into a false narrative, that does not mean the entire thing is a hoax.

You are right, Oak Island is not a hoax, but.....the story of there being any buried treasure there, is.
everything that has been found can be explained if considered part of a covert military operation

 

[ECS]

With the sources that they have on "The Curse of Oak Island" you would think they could research archives and come up with documented proof.
Something of a ship's log or a person that say they buried something of value on Oak Island. If the treasure was so large they would definitely want to come back and recover.
I have been waiting patiently on Diana Muir's second book to see what Prince Henry Sinclair did on his voyage of 1399.
I know speculators will say the journals are fictitious but I consider them a valuable source that needs checked out. Diana is going to put out 20 some odd volumes on the journals.
Her next two is about Knight's Templar genealogy and that too I am interested in.
I am trying to find a source that say someone stopped on Oak Island to bury a treasure.
So far I have seen no evidence other than gematria proof made by Petter Admundsen.
I would like to find another source or two to back up his claim. If there is any source to find?

Henry Sinclair, according to actual documented history NEVER made that first voyage, so Muir's book about a second voyage in 1399 is NOT credible history, as contemporary Medieval documents state that Sinclair was defending the Scottish border against the English in 1399.
Sorry, but Muir's Sinclair Journals are NOT considered as any kind of an accurate source by the professional academic history community.
As for Petter Amundsen and his fabricated gematria is proof of someone burying a treasure on Oak Island, only one so gullible would believe his nonsense.
There are NO second or third sources to back up Amundsen's or Muir's claims, as they are the ONLY source of what they have presented as fact, and real documented history disputes their revisionist fantasies.

 

[Phil]

You are right, Oak Island is not a hoax, but.....the story of there being any buried treasure there, is.
everything that has been found can be explained if considered part of a covert military operation

A military operation would make the most sense. The "stone path" in the swamp (As called by the Laginas) are rocks from two ship's ballast' that sank, which would indicate the island was used to repair ships. This would also explain the tunnel system since they would have been transporting gold, or other currency, and would need a place to store it while repairs were made.

 

[DaveVanP]

Or plainly stated, just because many people buy into a false narrative, that does not mean the entire thing is a hoax.

"Hoax" is usually meant to describe an intentional attempt to deceive...I truly believe that the whole Oak Island myth started as a "tall tale', originally told to entertain children about "real pirate treasure in your own back yard!" and some adults took it to be "factual", and it just snowballed from there...

Piltdown Man was accepted as "scientific fact", for over 50 years - but it was a practical joke. There are those who believe the earth flat - even caused their own death in attempting to "prove" it so (Mike Hughes' steam rocket)... alien bodies stored at Area 51... Apollos 11-17 were all filmed in a studio...and "Anna Nicole married for love."

"Believers" insist on fakes to be "proven" fakes, or stories "proven" to be untrue, rather than the LEGITIMATE requirement of evidence to support something being true... The "evidence" they proport to give credence to their claims is conveniently absent - destroyed, deliberately hidden by nefarious people or governments, or "discredited" by dogmatic historians/scientists. Any and all documented, concrete, PROOF or evidence that pokes holes in their story of course are dismissed by believers as "fakes", "dis-information", "academic dogma"; all perpetuated by some conspiracy of the scientific/academic community, or "Secret Society" (Illuminati, Templars, Priory of Sion, Elders of Zion, Masons, Rosicrucians, 4th Reich, Rotary Club, YMCA...name an organization, they're hiding "something")

I suppose perpetuating a tale of fabulous riches, and even adding embellishments (Templars! Shakespeare! Grail!) to make it more enticing or mysterious ("re-writing history!") to entice others to "invest" in your attempt to recover such treasure, would be the actual "hoax"... or a swindle.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

A military operation would make the most sense. The "stone path" in the swamp (As called by the Laginas) are rocks from two ship's ballast' that sank, which would indicate the island was used to repair ships. This would also explain the tunnel system since they would have been transporting gold, or other currency, and would need a place to store it while repairs were made.

Other than the tunnels dug by searchers, all of the other tunnels found have been proven to be natural water tunnels carved thru the ages by nature......

 

[ECS]

Has anyone ever heard of the seven foot silver layer under an Indian Village in SW Ohio.
Fake just like other treasure stories. They drilled down and after a long time silver started coming up on the end of the drill bit. Seems one of the boys working on the drill dropped some silver coins down the drill shaft.
Well don't you know it was the richest seam of silver found since the Comstock Load.

It is the same with the Oak Island Treasure.
The three links of gold chain is most likely modern and the parchment could come from any document.
This is ways of bringing in investors.

At the time of the Oak Island Treasure when the three boys say they found where the shaft was located or the "Money Pit" There were scores of stories in newspapers all over New England about "Captain Kids Treasure"
Several swindle jobs were pulled up in Pennsylvania and all along the Jersey and New York Coast Line.
When the Oak Island Treasure story started out it was a treasure of "Captain Kids" over the years it has progressed into every treasure that has ever been lost or buried and some that never happened at all.

Just maybe there was no treasure to start with at Oak Island...

No Sinclair, No Templars, No Diana Jean Muir, Zena Halpern...
'NUFF SAID!

 

[Cassews]

Its a good thing we aren't all made of the same mold and we all have our opinions on Oak Island. Mine is : I'll wait to see what they find and then make a decision on it.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all .... no matter what your opinion is on this subject ...

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I as well. If they ever find anything of substance I'll change my opinion immediately.

8 seasons under the bridge and Lord knows how many to go before that happens.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Its a good thing we aren't all made of the same mold and we all have our opinions on Oak Island. Mine is : I'll wait to see what they find and then make a decision on it.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all .... no matter what your opinion is on this subject ...

I’m expecting gawry finds more, “bobby dazzlers”..........as with all the others previously found they will be common items associated with human habitation.....

 

[Dave Rishar]

However if he talks I know a few of the most prestigious actions houses asses will be twitching. So for me the outcome of the above bust is much more interesting than some soggy empty hole in Nova Scotia.

Given that actual treasure stories are infinitely more interesting than imaginary ones, you can't go and drop something like this in this thread without providing some details. We don't want names, but we want an explanation. At least, I do.

 

[ARC]

I for one believe that MOST... repeat most... "legends" stem from some form of truth.

In the case of Oak... perhaps there was some form of treasure once buried there... which would be long gone... long found.. and it wasn't anything "Templar".

And the "money pit" was nothing more than a well that possibly was secreted spot... a tablet was left at the rim... a series of platforms were made to retrieve said treasure... and once someone found it... it was removed... and on the way out... tossed in the tablet.

End of story.

 

[Crow]

Given that actual treasure stories are infinitely more interesting than imaginary ones, you can't go and drop something like this in this thread without providing some details. We don't want names, but we want an explanation. At least, I do.

Gidday Amigo

My apologies I meant say "auction house" sometimes my tired eyes plays tricks on me.

There is an ongoing issues between archeologists fighting over the legitimacy of the private investigations by various auction houses in regards to Provence. Antiquities "suddenly" appearing in private collections lists prior to international agreed upon cut off date .

What has happened the last few years many items cleared with Provence by private researchers of the auction houses has turned out to be looted. Even though they indemnify themselves by saying they used due diligence.Archeologists say they are not data sharing.

What looters have been doing is masking the origins of the artifact from where it was found then sell it as part of an existing collection prior in the international agreement on cultural antiquities. Except they was actually found after that date therefore considered looted artifacts and cultural patrimony.


In the case in question the treasure was allegedly found in France in which it was illegal to search for such treasure and remove it from the country. The perpetrator moved the treasure out of France and declared he found the treasure in Belgium . Belgium has a different law on antiquities. On Belgium private property it belongs to the finder regardless if antiquity of not, Belgium like the UK would gave his the value of such a find. If he declared the treasure in France he would not get a cent as it would be deemed a antiquity .

An antique is an item that is at least 100 years old. An antiquity is an ancient artifact or item dating from the middle ages and earlier. Those artifacts in was worth about a million dollars in value.

If he had trickle fed these artifacts over time they probably would gone unnoticed. But he got complacent and greedy tried to get then authenticated all at once as treasure found in Belgium on his property to give the treasure Provence. So he could sell them through auction houses.

The person has long history of searching for treasure amigos.

And my apologies from diverting a little from the thread.

Crow

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

This one?

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/french-authorities-looted-archaeological-artifacts-1932317

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Gidday Amigo

My apologies I meant say "auction house" sometimes my tired eyes plays tricks on me.

There is an ongoing issues between archeologists fighting over the legitimacy of the private investigations by various auction houses in regards to Provence. Antiquities "suddenly" appearing in private collections lists prior to international agreed upon cut off date .

What has happened the last few years many items cleared with Provence by private researchers of the auction houses has turned out to be looted. Even though they indemnify themselves by saying they used due diligence.Archeologists say they are not data sharing.

What looters have been doing is masking the origins of the artifact from where it was found then sell it as part of an existing collection prior in the international agreement on cultural antiquities. Except they was actually found after that date therefore considered looted artifacts and cultural patrimony.


In the case in question the treasure was allegedly found in France in which it was illegal to search for such treasure and remove it from the country. The perpetrator moved the treasure out of France and declared he found the treasure in Belgium . Belgium has a different law on antiquities. On Belgium private property it belongs to the finder regardless if antiquity of not, Belgium like the UK would gave his the value of such a find. If he declared the treasure in France he would not get a cent as it would be deemed a antiquity .

An antique is an item that is at least 100 years old. An antiquity is an ancient artifact or item dating from the middle ages and earlier. Those artifacts in was worth about a million dollars in value.

If he had trickle fed these artifacts over time they probably would gone unnoticed. But he got complacent and greedy tried to get then authenticated all at once as treasure found in Belgium on his property to give the treasure Provence. So he could sell them through auction houses.

The person has long history of searching for treasure amigos.

And my apologies from diverting a little from the thread.

Crow

Enjoyed reading about an actual treasure hunter and their success vs. the fictional tales we get out of the UAST members here...

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

"UAST" Universal Adaptive Strategy Theory?

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

"UAST" Universal Adaptive Strategy Theory?

"Ultimate All Star Team"...term coined by ECS for the mind trust of franklin, robot, lokiblossum, and eldo...

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Ahhhhh. Gotcha. The Dream[ers] Team.

 

[RTR]

So why all the negative vibes here ? Because they haven't found the BIG one yet ?... OR,they have the means $$$ wise to follow their dreams LOL

 

[Al D]

So why all the negative vibes here ? Because they haven't found the BIG one yet ?... OR,they have the means $$$ wise to follow their dreams LOL

Read up on it and you will see.