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[markmar]

There is no way that the story of how the stones were found, which was told by Clarence Mitchell, could be true.
proof: duplicate the actions, eight paces north and then eight paces magnetic north, the difference is less than three feet.
there is no way that this difference could have been determinant in finding the other stones.
also to consider, Queen Creek floods regularly, so how many time since 1847 to 1949 did it flood? How could the stones have remained where they were allegedly buried?
the whole story is a fabrication.

IMO, the stone maps were buried there for only few years. But not because they are 20th century made.

 

[somehiker]

I have been to that area many times, I do not recall any location that was 40 feet higher than the bridge, except the rocky ridge to the East

If GE elevations are accurate, and since Homar is probably using that for a source, GE shows the creek bed at 1850' +_, and the elevation of the south side area at 1890' +_. The deck level of the eastern most lanes (NW bound) is about half of that or less. So that high and very flat pasture, all the way to Florence Junction, is well above any flood level for QC.

Three of the larger excavations that exist out there... of five in total.
The two grave sized ones, which have had all the brush and loose rock and sand which had partly filled them over many years, cleaned out about three or four years ago, and the larger but shallower pit as well.
From all the newer ruts now visible, it also looks like the place has become a more popular place to visit, since I was first there in 2010.

 

[markmar]

They will fit in a number of places, in at least two cases extremely well. Just open your mind to other possibilities, don't assume that because a set of maps was allegedly found NEAR the Superstition mountains then they MUST be of that place. If I dropped a map of Nova Scotia at the Peralta trailhead, you would not assume that map must be of the Superstitions, so why do so many assume the stone maps MUST go to the Superstitions? Even the scale is wrong - the eighteen 'dots' would logically mark camping sites for a day's travel and it doesn't take eighteen days to traverse the full length of the Superstition mountains. Just look at the knife and the arrow, one of them probably would point north right? Then look at where the Spanish and the missionaries were historically active in the southwest, not just Arizona either, remember the whole area including Texas, Colorado, Nevada, Utah and California were all part of the Spanish dominions and were being actively 'missionized' for two full centuries.

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I see that others already answered with links to the report.

Roy

Did know LaFrance and Simpson ( crazy Jake ) how their gold bars were from the Superstitions? Of course they did, even if somebody else gave them the bars and told them the story. Who have the bars before them, were only second or third " hand " holders and they knew only the mountain complex but not the spot.
Like them, and always IMHO,Travis Tumlinson knew for what mountain complex the stone maps were/are, and this because someone from the first gold bars holders leaked it to him. Now, I can't imagine in which capacity Travis heard of the stone tablets, as a policeman or as an old gang member?
One thing is for sure IMHO: Travis knew where to look for those tablets and the pretext how he was trying to look for the Needle was only a cover for his source.
I believe there is still a door little open for research in regards to the first gold bars holders, if someone ( hey Matthew ) still knows who gave the gold bar to the person who in his order gave it to Crazy Jake.

 

[azdave35]

Azdave

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you ever find any dino bone there?

 

[azdave35]

Roy

Did know LaFrance and Simpson ( crazy Jake ) how their gold bars were from the Superstitions? Of course they did, even if somebody else gave them the bars and told them the story. Who have the bars before them, were only second or third " hand " holders and they knew only the mountain complex but not the spot.
Like them, and always IMHO,Travis Tumlinson knew for what mountain complex the stone maps were/are, and this because someone from the first gold bars holders leaked it to him. Now, I can't imagine in which capacity Travis heard of the stone tablets, as a policeman or as an old gang member?
On thing is for sure IMHO: Travis knew where to look for those tablets and the pretext how he was trying to look for the Needle was only a cover for his source.
I believe there is still a door little open for research in regards to the first gold bars holders, if someone ( hey Matthew ) still knows who gave the gold bar to the person who in his order gave it to Crazy Jake.

i wasn't aware that jake had any bars

 

[markmar]

i wasn't aware that jake had any bars

Had a bar with a cross carved on it. The cross was similar to another cross carved close to the cave with the gold bars.

 

[coazon de oro]

Mitchell’s story of how and where the stones were found is the only one I am aware of, it also must have been the first published story, meaning one that has not changed over time from continuous retelling.
could you please provide your source? I am very interested it putting this issue to bed.
thanks in advance

Howdy alan,

I will oblige you by pm to keep a certain troll in the dark.

Homar

 

[Oroblanco]

Roy

Did know LaFrance and Simpson ( crazy Jake ) how their gold bars were from the Superstitions? Of course they did, even if somebody else gave them the bars and told them the story. Who have the bars before them, were only second or third " hand " holders and they knew only the mountain complex but not the spot.
Like them, and always IMHO,Travis Tumlinson knew for what mountain complex the stone maps were/are, and this because someone from the first gold bars holders leaked it to him. Now, I can't imagine in which capacity Travis heard of the stone tablets, as a policeman or as an old gang member?
On thing is for sure IMHO: Travis knew where to look for those tablets and the pretext how he was trying to look for the Needle was only a cover for his source.
I believe there is still a door little open for research in regards to the first gold bars holders, if someone ( hey Matthew ) still knows who gave the gold bar to the person who in his order gave it to Crazy Jake.

You believe that Crazy Jake had a gold bar removed from the Superstition mountains of Arizona?

Marius you need to do more research amigo. Crazy Jake was an expert CON MAN. Jake was CONVICTED of FRAUD concerning the LDM and the Superstitions.


Don't be so trusting of stories, or you WILL be led down the primrose path. At the least it only leads to wasted time and effort, and disappointments. Crazy Jake is not a trusted source of anything but frauds.

 

[azdave35]

You believe that Crazy Jake had a gold bar removed from the Superstition mountains of Arizona?

Marius you need to do more research amigo. Crazy Jake was an expert CON MAN. Jake was CONVICTED of FRAUD concerning the LDM and the Superstitions.


Don't be so trusting of stories, or you WILL be led down the primrose path. At the least it only leads to wasted time and effort, and disappointments. Crazy Jake is not a trusted source of anything but frauds.

lol..the only wealth jake had was what he stole and conned...ron feldman is the best source for info on jake...he is the only man still living that knew jake well

 

[coazon de oro]

I have been to that area many times, I do not recall any location that was 40 feet higher than the bridge, except the rocky ridge to the East

Travis stated that he was walking in the hills when he came upon the P/H stone sticking out of the ground.

 

[Oroblanco]

lol..the only wealth jake had was what he stole and conned...ron feldman is the best source for info on jake...he is the only man still living that knew jake well

Bob Corbin knew him well and prosecuted him, got my info on Jake (aka Richard Jacobs) from him, hopefully he will attend the next rendezvous as he is a wealth of information. He had a real gold bar, which he had either stolen or purchased or was given to him, but where it came from we will never know the truth. He was so convincing that he managed to con some of the most prominent men in Phoenix into "investing" in his LDM 'venture'. He was also a prolific blackmailer, which we can't discuss on here due to this being a family-oriented site.

To Marius, here is ONE sample of how Crazy Jake ended his lucrative "career":

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/11533749/crazy_jake/

 

[azdave35]

Bob Corbin knew him well and prosecuted him, got my info on Jake (aka Richard Jacobs) from him, hopefully he will attend the next rendezvous as he is a wealth of information. He had a real gold bar, which he had either stolen or purchased or was given to him, but where it came from we will never know the truth. He was so convincing that he managed to con some of the most prominent men in Phoenix into "investing" in his LDM 'venture'. He was also a prolific blackmailer, which we can't discuss on here due to this being a family-oriented site.

To Marius, here is ONE sample of how Crazy Jake ended his lucrative "career":

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/11533749/crazy_jake/

he was definitely a sociopath and a con....they can be very convincing when they want to be..don't ask me how i know this

 

[Matthew Roberts]

azdave35,

Bob Corbin never met Crazy Jake or knew him either in or out of the Superstition Mountains. It was Mike MacAfee who prosecuted Jake. Corbin was the Arizona AG at the time but had no part in the evidence gathering. Ron Feldman has said he packed for Crazy Jake but in fact Jerry Sherwood was Jake's exclusive packer. Jake did have a small gold bar with a cross that matched a photo of a cross etched in a cave/mine that Walter Gassler had. I knew Jake in the mountains, visited with him in prison and wrote a lengthy article about him for the Superstition Mountain Historical Society Journal.

Best,

Matthew

 

[azdave35]

azdave35,

Bob Corbin never met Crazy Jake or knew him either in or out of the Superstition Mountains. It was Mike MacAfee who prosecuted Jake. Corbin was the Arizona AG at the time but had no part in the evidence gathering. Ron Feldman has said he packed for Crazy Jake but in fact Jerry Sherwood was Jake's exclusive packer. Jake did have a small gold bar with a cross that matched a photo of a cross etched in a cave/mine that Walter Gassler had. I knew Jake in the mountains, visited with him in prison and wrote a lengthy article about him for the Superstition Mountain Historical Society Journal.

Best,

Matthew

matthew...i think it was roy that said bob prosecuted jake...i said that if someone wanted to know about jake they should ask ron...he never said anything to me about packing jake in but he did tell me he worked for jake at his site in the mountains for a couple years...

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Of course Bob Corbin prosecuted Crazy Jake. Anyone think the AG didn't know what was going on with the prosecution, or wasn't reviewing and guiding the strategy for the prosecution where needed? Just because deputies in his office handled the investigations and heavy lifting in court, doesn't mean that AG Corbin had nothing to do with it. To the contrary.

I'm sure what AG Corbin told you, Roy, was the unvarnished truth, and you can take it to the bank. EDIT: And since you know him well, I doubt you need any confirmation from me or anyone else about that.



Dave, I can't recall Ron Feldman ever saying he packed for Crazy Jake either, unless it was just packing supplies in to camp as a matter of routine work he was doing. But I can't recall him ever saying he packed for Jacobs with his outfitting business?

 

[azdave35]

Of course Bob Corbin prosecuted Crazy Jake. Anyone think the AG didn't know what was going on with the prosecution, or wasn't reviewing and guiding the strategy for the prosecution where needed? Just because deputies in his office handled the investigations and heavy lifting in court, doesn't mean that AG Corbin had nothing to do with it. To the contrary.

I'm sure what AG Corbin told you, Roy, was the unvarnished truth, and you can take it to the bank.

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Dave, I can't recall Ron Feldman ever saying he packed for Crazy Jake either, unless it was just packing supplies in to camp as a matter of routine work he was doing. But I can't recall him ever saying he packed for Jacobs with his outfitting business?

jim....i'm pretty sure ron rode with jake before he had a packing business but i could be wrong...i can ask him next time i see him

 

[PotBelly Jim]

jim....i'm pretty sure ron rode with jake before he had a packing business but i could be wrong...i can ask him next time i see him

Please do, Dave, and let us all know what he says. If a man who is not a member here is going to be accused of saying something that wasn't true, the least we can do is try and get his input on it.

 

[azdave35]

Please do, Dave, and let us all know what he says. If a man who is not a member here is going to be accused of saying something that wasn't true, the least we can do is try and get his input on it.

will do

 

[wrmickel1]

Of course Bob Corbin prosecuted Crazy Jake. Anyone think the AG didn't know what was going on with the prosecution, or wasn't reviewing and guiding the strategy for the prosecution where needed? Just because deputies in his office handled the investigations and heavy lifting in court, doesn't mean that AG Corbin had nothing to do with it. To the contrary.

I'm sure what AG Corbin told you, Roy, was the unvarnished truth, and you can take it to the bank. EDIT: And since you know him well, I doubt you need any confirmation from me or anyone else about that.

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Dave, I can't recall Ron Feldman ever saying he packed for Crazy Jake either, unless it was just packing supplies in to camp as a matter of routine work he was doing. But I can't recall him ever saying he packed for Jacobs with his outfitting business?

No, I believe Ron did pack for him as some kind of partnership, And Crazy went Crazy on him. So they split up for years. Then Crazy got in touch with him years later about something.

or Something like that

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