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[Carl995]

I love the history, you are very fortunate to have lived it,

& I was a young camera hound/ picture nut.....all my life I've taken pictures. Now at 60 I get on facebook & send childhood pics of kids I knew to them grown up.....
They can't believe it!!

 

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[wrmickel1]

No this is in state park area....It wasnt a park back then, i remember walking along a wash, on the left side was a huge boulder with a 5" heart carved in it. I have the picture.

Carrol

A 5” Heart Carved in to it, what else. Draw What was on the Boulder other marks in Correct order as you remember, don’t post the pic. Just draw it,take a pic on your phone and post it

babymick1

 

[somehiker]

The only clues I believe in are the carvings on the saguaros.
They have been carved over a hundred years ago (tell by the layers of the scabbing).
Yet they could have been faked back then, but I doubt it.
Those saguaros are gone now.
My dad found the location of the kings royal fifth by using the codes on the saguaros.
Rock formations, maybe but no codes on rocks,
a ring of a certain type of tree grown only in Mexico was used as a locator on a hill out there.
I've got pictures of carved hearts, turtle, dagger on rock that's obviously fake. And this was back in the 60's!

Who would have buried what Spanish King's "Royal Fifth" in those mountains ?
And when was this done and the saguaros marked ?
I'm asking because, although I have seen many saguaros with obvious old markings and man-made alterations out there, I know of a place from where a line of saguaro markings can be followed to some old ruins and caves, where a number of much older, taller and multi-armed saguaros form a large cross. All of those have a marking on their south side which I have never seen in any book or internet posting. I was only there once though, and that was 17 years ago. Wasn't thinking about treasure back then.

 

[Oroblanco]

Dave WOW that is gorgeous! You do excellent work!

Hi Roy,

Both are similar in that they are fraud committed on paper. That's easy to achieve. I've seen many fake signs in the Supers and they are all the same- none one of them would take more than a few hours of work. Those committing fraud always seek shortcuts, they would never do things the hard way.

You missed the Cardiff Giant
https://www.history.com/news/the-cardiff-giant-fools-the-nation-145-years-ago
The Cardiff Giant (1869)

This guy hired a sculptor to carve a giant statue then BURIED it for his well diggers to "Find" later. I think this would count as an elaborate hoax involving serious stone work.

You are not ruling OUT the possibility of a hoax viz the stone maps are you?

;coffee2:

 

[Carl995]

Who would have buried what Spanish King's "Royal Fifth" in those mountains ?
And when was this done and the saguaros marked ?

You might ask Dave or Mike (Golum),
they know way more history of the supes than I do. I know it was confederate & a few other things about it. Their is also a 2nd confederate cache that hasn't been dug up yet (I checked it out last year).

All of those have a marking on their south side which I have never seen in any book or internet posting.

I have wondered that myself as I feel the saguaro carvings are most important of finding anything out there.
The carved rocks I have are only markers, not maps of any kind, 1 has the brand of Cortez.
The 4 gs (giant saguaros) in a row along the main road, 3rd one has a large cross in the arm.....My dad felt the 4 cacti represents 4 caches, Heart, Dagger, Cross etc. in 4 distinct areas. I guess theres no mention of them because their all dead & gone.

 

[Oroblanco]

Just an observation but Arizona has a long history of treasure related hoaxes, perhaps the earliest being the great diamond hoax. Sharpies have been salting "gold" mines by various illicit means for as long as there have been gold mines to sell to believers. I suspect that a good deal of "shoe fitting" is involved with most of the various solutions of the stone maps too - finding some landmark or marking and assuming it has to be related to markings on the stone maps when it could be utterly unrelated. The possibilities for mis-understanding and mis-identifying things are very high.

 

[somehiker]

Awesome, in Bob Wards book, “echos of lost.....something or other, he mentions such clues east of the main mountain just north of Hwy 60, near where the stones were reported to have been found.

I've seen them, with the "knife" in the middle of what looks to be a large panel of ancient petroglyphs typical to many other places in Arizona. Tom K., in one of the vids shot by Ryan and Frank, said that Bob Ward had probably added the knife. Bernice McKee, in her magazine article about the stone maps, said Clarence Mitchell had taken her and her husband Jack out there and showed them the petros. If that was before Ward wrote his book, then it must have been Mitchell who done it, since the stones also have a knife, and he wrote a book about them. There's probably a lesson in all that somewhere.

 

[wrmickel1]

Who would have buried what Spanish King's "Royal Fifth" in those mountains ?
And when was this done and the saguaros marked ?

You might ask Dave or Mike (Golum),
they know way more history of the supes than I do. I know it was confederate & a few other things about it. Their is also a 2nd confederate cache that hasn't been dug up yet (I checked it out last year).

All of those have a marking on their south side which I have never seen in any book or internet posting.

I have wondered that myself as I feel the saguaro carvings are most important of finding anything out there.
The carved rocks I have are only markers, not maps of any kind, 1 has the brand of Cortez.
The 4 gs (giant saguaros) in a row along the main road, 3rd one has a large cross in the arm.....My dad felt the 4 cacti represents 4 caches, Heart, Dagger, Cross etc. in 4 distinct areas. I guess theres no mention of them because their all dead & gone.

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Wait a Minute,

Dave said it was the Kings Royal Fifth And your saying it was Confederate Treasure.
Somethings Fishy here, Big Dave gotta a lot of back peddling to do. Now I see why Dave knows so much about people made Treasure Signs out there. He’s part of the group that makes up phony stuff.

Care to explain that Dave.

babymick1

 

[azdave35]

Dave WOW that is gorgeous! You do excellent work!




You missed the Cardiff Giant
https://www.history.com/news/the-cardiff-giant-fools-the-nation-145-years-ago
The Cardiff Giant (1869)

This guy hired a sculptor to carve a giant statue then BURIED it for his well diggers to "Find" later. I think this would count as an elaborate hoax involving serious stone work.

You are not ruling OUT the possibility of a hoax viz the stone maps are you?

;coffee2:

thank you roy..i appreciate the compliment

 

[Carl995]

Wait a Minute,

Dave said it was the Kings Royal Fifth And your saying it was Confederate Treasure.
Somethings Fishy here, Big Dave gotta a lot of back peddling to do. Now I see why Dave knows so much about people made Treasure Signs out there. He’s part of the group that makes up phony stuff.

Care to explain that Dave.

babymick1

Your right.......I was notified......I'm the one confused!!! I thought the royal 5th was confederate......i'm not a history buff.
royal 5th was on the coyote hill, the 4 caches are confederate. I really never learned the history of it all. Thanks for pointing that out!

 

[azdave35]

Dave

Do you like me, Hard to say, if they like me or not, I believe you already said in a post, you asked them about me and they said they never heard of me. I think they might have lied to you Dave.

Babymick1

sure i like you mick..you are the most entertaining character on the forum

 

[wrmickel1]

Your right.......I was notified......I'm the one confused!!! I thought the royal 5th was confederate......i'm not a history buff.
royal 5th was on the coyote hill, the 4 caches are confederate. I really never learned the history of it all. Thanks for pointing that out!

Carrol

Awe, OK, So your dad found the Royal Fifth Stash. Then did he find Confederate Treasure or are the 4 caches part of a legend.

Wrmickel1

 

[Al D]

Your right.......I was notified......I'm the one confused!!! I thought the royal 5th was confederate......i'm not a history buff.
royal 5th was on the coyote hill, the 4 caches are confederate. I really never learned the history of it all. Thanks for pointing that out!

You may find this book interesting

 

[azdave35]

You may find this book interesting
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hillbilly bobs book?

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Dave

Do you like me, Hard to say, if they like me or not, I believe you already said in a post, you asked them about me and they said they never heard of me. I think they might have lied to you Dave.

Babymick1

Mick, maybe people aren't always lying when they don't agree with you. For example, just because there's overwhelming evidence that LDM ore is in white quartz, yet you believe it's rose...they're lying, money's changing hands, a conspiracy to change the "Ledgen" ...or when Carrol mixes up what treasure was found in his post (something we've all done), now Dave is lying...now someone is lying to Dave about knowing you...maybe a bit of restraint in calling people liars?

 

[sdcfia]

You may find this book interesting
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Although I disagree with HBB concerning aspects of the Organization, I also suspect that any recoverable gold caches in central Arizona are much more likely to have been placed in the past 150 years than as a "King's Fifth" centuries ago. Here's a question: why would the Crown allow their tax money to be hidden in the wilderness by mining contractors beyond the Northern Frontier, requiring an expensive expedition to travel so far to recover it? The Crown kept track of these obligations and expected payment when the miners returned to Mexico. If the mining venture was off the books, there would be no tax money due by definition.

Having said that, I also suspect there may be something else of greater value than a recoverable cache secreted somewhere in the region. What it is remains speculative.

 

[wrmickel1]

Mick, maybe people aren't always lying when they don't agree with you. For example, just because there's overwhelming evidence that LDM ore is in white quartz, yet you believe it's rose...they're lying, money's changing hands, a conspiracy to change the "Ledgen" ...or when Carrol mixes up what treasure was found in his post (something we've all done), now Dave is lying...now someone is lying to Dave about knowing you...maybe a bit of restraint in calling people liars?

Potbelly

I never called no one a Liar, Ugly word! Now if someone asked if they heard of me and said no. That would be a lie Sir.
But I be not the one telling it. So that would be no reflection apond me. Mixing up a treasure I’ve Found, we've all done.
No I haven’t, My Story stays the same! And for the OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE! It’s a small window 69 to 73 all this new evidence floods into the arena, What a overwhelming moment of discovery. All that known Dutchman’s Ore floods into the seen. But the minestill, to this day has not been seen.

You guys pick on spelling, It’s more important to comprehend what you read.

Babymick1

 

[azdave35]

Carrol

Awe, OK, So your dad found the Royal Fifth Stash. Then did he find Confederate Treasure or are the 4 caches part of a legend.

Wrmickel1

top secret mick....i could tell you..but then

 

[azdave35]

Potbelly

I never called no one a Liar, Ugly word! Now if someone asked if they heard of me and said no. That would be a lie Sir.
But I be not the one telling it. So that would be no reflection apond me. Mixing up a treasure I’ve Found, we've all done.
No I haven’t, My Story stays the same! And for the OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE! It’s a small window 69 to 73 all this new evidence floods into the arena, What a overwhelming moment of discovery. All that known Dutchman’s Ore floods into the seen. But the minestill, to this day has not been seen.

You guys pick on spelling, It’s more important to comprehend what you read.

Babymick1

mick...we tend to judge a man by the way he speaks..or in this case spells...most of us learned to spell in 3rd grade so we wonder why a 57 year old man cant?...its just human nature to wonder about these things

 

[deducer]

Dave WOW that is gorgeous! You do excellent work!




You missed the Cardiff Giant
https://www.history.com/news/the-cardiff-giant-fools-the-nation-145-years-ago
The Cardiff Giant (1869)

This guy hired a sculptor to carve a giant statue then BURIED it for his well diggers to "Find" later. I think this would count as an elaborate hoax involving serious stone work.

You are not ruling OUT the possibility of a hoax viz the stone maps are you?

;coffee2:

Roy,

I don't really think it's a fair comparison- Hull's intent was to create a spectacle by which he could profit from the attention, within a short amount of time, like you said, by having it "dug up." He didn't wait for someone to accidentally dig it up. And even then he was quickly outed as a fraud.

Nobody has ever conclusively proved that the Stone Maps are a fraud.

And as far as the giant "7" and the "4" further up on the cliff, nobody has ever taken advantage of either, to create attention, or to lure investors, to my knowledge.