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[somehiker]

A heart in the middle and a trail?

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Sorta....
This is what I could see and tried to get a photo of.
The problem with the resolution in this case, is that the Fuji Finepix I use doesn't want to hold a infinity setting, and I can't tell by looking at the display that it has reverted to autofocus and is focusing on the brush in front of where I am standing. I don't know that until I download my shot to my laptop for review. Seems to do this at random.
Is it real ? Important ? Fake and modern ? Made by "whoever you want to name" ?
I just post them. What you think is up to you.

 

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[markmar]

Sorta....
This is what I could see and tried to get a photo of.
The problem with the resolution in this case, is that the Fuji Finepix I use doesn't want to hold a infinity setting, and I can't tell by looking at the display that it has reverted to autofocus and is focusing on the brush in front of where I am standing. I don't know that until I download my shot to my laptop for review. Seems to do this at random.
Is it real ? Important ? Fake and modern ? Made by "whoever you want to name" ?
I just post them. What you think is up to you.

Is real, made by mother Nature to tease our minds and feelings.
IMHO, what is depicted in the stone maps are natural features, except a cross in the Horse map and a box in the lower Trail tablet. The cross in front of the Horse is in the same point in the field, with the circle in circle ( mine symbol ) from the 2=3... riddle.
Also , I believe how they adopted the letters " CO " for Caballo , because there at the cross region are some rock features which look like the letters " CO " with the " 3 " to be beside to the right from these letters. Go figure

 

[Mc4500]

Here is what I believe they are referring to as "geronimo's head" I also believe that this face is referenced in the "lost Apache gold mine" story, which states "high on a cliff is a rock face with an elongated nose and as the story goes the mine is located directly under the nose."

 

[azdave35]

Here is what I believe they are referring to as "geronimo's head" View attachment 1732382 I also believe that this face is referenced in the "lost Apache gold mine" story, which states "high on a cliff is a rock face with an elongated nose and as the story goes the mine is located directly under the nose."

have you dug up the mine yet?

 

[Mc4500]

You guys were asking for a rock formation that looks like a statue. I call this "the old king"

 

[azdave35]

�� No I have not! Lol! Unlike other people, I am not claiming anything! Ha ha ha! I just have some cool pictures!

keep posting..we like good pics

 

[Mc4500]

here is my rock face that clearly looks down.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

alen, there are are no two ores exactly alike.

Likewise there has never been any one ore that was continuously similar everywhere in its own one occurrence. That entire concept that is floated allover creation is geologic and scientific nonsense.

 

[Oroblanco]

Likewise there has never been any one ore that was continuously similar everywhere in its own one occurrence. That entire concept that is floated allover creation is geologic and scientific nonsense.

Let us see your degree in geology, and we might take that more serious.

 

[sdcfia]

Likewise there has never been any one ore that was continuously similar everywhere in its own one occurrence. That entire concept that is floated allover creation is geologic and scientific nonsense.

I tend to agree, based on what I saw when working in an underground mine in CO. The concept was also backed up by my shifter (foreman) and the company geologist who claimed that the ores (sulfide veins anyway, where I was) changed with locations (depth mainly) and conditions (sizes, temperatures, cooling rates, etc) in their host rocks when formed.

People talk about "ore databases", but other than individual collections of recovered mineral specimens and a few surviving mining company assays, there are no such things. The "database" claim is pie in the sky, IMO, because the surviving saved samples are statistically insignificant when compared to the vast number of undocumented historical recoveries. For every piece of ore to "compare to", there must be many thousands of other ore samples that were either lost or simply processed into metal and never analyzed. Most small mines (they were all small and rich to begin with) never analyzed the chemistry of their ore - they either processed it themselves if they could, or if not, sent it to be recovered by someone else and were paid by simple assay values.

 

[Mc4500]

I tend to agree, based on what I saw when working in an underground mine in CO. The concept was also backed up by my shifter (foreman) and the company geologist who claimed that the ores (sulfide veins anyway, where I was) changed with locations (depth mainly) and conditions (sizes, temperatures, cooling rates, etc) in their host rocks when formed.

People talk about "ore databases", but other than individual collections of recovered mineral specimens and a few surviving mining company assays, there are no such things. The "database" claim is pie in the sky, IMO, because the surviving saved samples are statistically insignificant when compared to the vast number of undocumented historical recoveries. For every piece of ore to "compare to", there must be many thousands of other ore samples that were either lost or simply processed into metal and never analyzed. Most small mines (they were all small and rich to begin with) never analyzed the chemistry of their ore - they either processed it themselves if they could, or if not, sent it to be recovered by someone else and were paid by simple assay values.

Forgive my ignorance and I'm asking this only because I'm unfamiliar with it, but what kind of analysis does an assayer provide? And when you file a claim, is there any kind of analysis listed for the claim? I was just wondering because if so, would there at least be some kind of database that way?

 

[Mc4500]

Likewise there has never been any one ore that was continuously similar everywhere in its own one occurrence. That entire concept that is floated allover creation is geologic and scientific nonsense.

I'm no expert, but geologically that makes sense to me. Nothing in nature is consistent, given a length of rock the exact make up will vary from one end to the other, it would make sense that it would be the same with a gold vein.

 

[Oroblanco]

Well not to be contrary here, you are all welcome to believe whatever you wish and/or prefer to believe. It is a fact that gold ores do vary considerably over the length and depth of the ore deposit. However, that said it is also a fact that no two gold ores are alike - in that respect they are a bit like fingerprints or snowflakes. A good geologist and some skilled assayers can identify which mines for the ores on sight.

The university of Arizona has the collection of mineral specimens including ores from every known mine in AZ. You are certainly welcome to believe that there is no such collection, but the fact is it does exist and Arizona is hardly the only state with such a collection. The USGS also had a collection (similar) but I do not know if it is still maintained or not.

https://uamineralmuseum.com/content/welcome-university-arizona-gem-mineral-museum

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Let us see your degree in geology, and we might take that more serious.

I have a BS in geo (big ten) and professional registration in same and another in engineering, with multiple state reciprocity, among other fun advanced stuff which I won't bore you with. what do you have?

Never mind, I could care less if you (and that mouse in your pocket) take me seriously. Or who else were you speaking for out of line?

 

[sdcfia]

Well not to be contrary here, you are all welcome to believe whatever you wish and/or prefer to believe. It is a fact that gold ores do vary considerably over the length and depth of the ore deposit. However, that said it is also a fact that no two gold ores are alike - in that respect they are a bit like fingerprints or snowflakes. A good geologist and some skilled assayers can identify which mines for the ores on sight.

The university of Arizona has the collection of mineral specimens including ores from every known mine in AZ. You are certainly welcome to believe that there is no such collection, but the fact is it does exist and Arizona is hardly the only state with such a collection. The USGS also had a collection (similar) but I do not know if it is still maintained or not.

https://uamineralmuseum.com/content/welcome-university-arizona-gem-mineral-museum

That's all well and good, Oro, but a collection is is hardly a database - or at best, a very limited one. "Every known mine in Arizona" seems to me to mean, "many Arizona mines." My preferred belief, vis-a-vis the "Waltz ore", is actually not a belief, but the obvious fact that nobody knows where it really came from, if even Arizona.

 

[somehiker]

That's all well and good, Oro, but a collection is is hardly a database - or at best, a very limited one. "Every known mine in Arizona" seems to me to mean, "many Arizona mines." My preferred belief, vis-a-vis the "Waltz ore", is actually not a belief, but the obvious fact that nobody knows where it really came from, if even Arizona.

Maybe that's why it's still called the "Lost Dutchman Mine".

 

[audigger53]

Forgive my ignorance and I'm asking this only because I'm unfamiliar with it, but what kind of analysis does an assayer provide? And when you file a claim, is there any kind of analysis listed for the claim? I was just wondering because if so, would there at least be some kind of database that way?

Ok someone can file a claim and try to find minerals that the Gov wants, like gold. However without "Discovery" for Proof of the mineral being there, like from an Assay, there is no Discovery. That means that someone else can file a claim over the same area and if they have "Discovery", it is now theirs. Discovery is 100% of mining law. No discovery? No valid claim, that is what the Forestry Dept did up in Northern Cali, where people had "Claims" for like 20 years, but no mine. The Forestry Dept went and asked them to prove their mining inprovments or Discovery in court. They had made those claims their Summer vacation homes with cabins, roads, ect, but never showed that they were really looking for gold, just a vacation home. The cabins not moved out were bulldozed and the roads closed.
Discovery! That is what you really need for a valid mining claim, all else is just hoping to find something. IMO

 

[gollum]

I have a BS in geo (big ten) and professional registration in same and another in engineering, with multiple state reciprocity, among other fun advanced stuff which I won't bore you with. what do you have?

Never mind, I could care less if you (and that mouse in your pocket) take me seriously. Or who else were you speaking for out of line?

Are you saying that Mesothermal Quartz can somehow change its' crystalline structure and become Epithermal Quartz a few feet further down? See, one of the ways to identify LDM Ore is the type of quartz the gold is held in. I don't know how Telluride typically distributes itself in a Quartz Matrix, but that is a way to (help) identify future specimens as being from the LDM.

There is no 1 Way to look at a specimen and say "AHA! THAT is from the LDM!" If it is a certain type of quartz, that has certain mineral impurities, came from a mine in a certain area, and in the mine there are two veins (one quartz and one hematite) that are gold bearing, one could say the circumstantial evidence is strong for that person having found the LDM. It could also have come from one of several mines the Peralta and Gonzalez Families possessed in the area.

....like this piece that came out of the SWA many years ago:




a softball sized specimen that shouldn't exist according to GEOLOGISTS (what is your degree in again?). And here, I'll repeat my LDM Mantra: "Geologists say that 50 million years ago, three volcanic calderas puked up 300-400 feet of non-mineralized Dacite and Basalt, which says the LDM can't exist in the SWA. So, with some of the richest gold mines in the history of the US on the West Side of the Supers, and some of the richest silver mines on the East Side of the Supers, and the distance from the East Side to the West Side of the Superstitions is only seventeen miles, and 50 million years of wind and water erosion, earthquakes, and landslides that none of the underlying mineralization could have been exposed?"

Mike

 

[markmar]

Mike

I have seen this type of speciment in different other occasions. Is not from the LDM but from a Peralta mine in sight of the LDM. This is the type of ore Dr. Glover did the assay to compare it with the Dutchman's ore from the canddle box.
The difference between the Quartz from this photo and the LDM white quartz, is the LDM white quartz is almost white with not black stains like in your pic.
To see the difference, here is a pic posted by Matthew at http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...your-gold-treasures-found-supers-here-10.html which shows that difference. In Matthew's pic we can see ore speciments like in your pic with exception the second-left which is LDM ore.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Are you saying that Mesothermal Quartz can somehow change its' crystalline structure and become Epithermal Quartz a few feet further down? See, one of the ways to identify LDM Ore is the type of quartz the gold is held in. I don't know how Telluride typically distributes itself in a Quartz Matrix, but that is a way to (help) identify future specimens as being from the LDM.

There is no 1 Way to look at a specimen and say "AHA! THAT is from the LDM!" If it is a certain type of quartz, that has certain mineral impurities, came from a mine in a certain area, and in the mine there are two veins (one quartz and one hematite) that are gold bearing, one could say the circumstantial evidence is strong for that person having found the LDM. It could also have come from one of several mines the Peralta and Gonzalez Families possessed in the area.

....like this piece that came out of the SWA many years ago:

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a softball sized specimen that shouldn't exist according to GEOLOGISTS (what is your degree in again?). And here, I'll repeat my LDM Mantra: "Geologists say that 50 million years ago, three volcanic calderas puked up 300-400 feet of non-mineralized Dacite and Basalt, which says the LDM can't exist in the SWA. So, with some of the richest gold mines in the history of the US on the West Side of the Supers, and some of the richest silver mines on the East Side of the Supers, and the distance from the East Side to the West Side of the Superstitions is only seventeen miles, and 50 million years of wind and water erosion, earthquakes, and landslides that none of the underlying mineralization could have been exposed?"

Mike

Was that supposed to be a logical argument?