NEED HELP WITH PHOTO ID OF POSSIBLE FAMOUS PERSON

[Bigcypresshunter]

that was me...I asked if it could have been a code and they painted over it to hide it as a secrete. I know they used lemon juice to send messages that you would have to heat up with a candle to read.

Hello texastee. You and Goldwind are entitled to your opinions of course and my opinion is that what may look like crude hidden numbers, are just a photo illusion. Only Bob can verify.

I guess its OK to dream on but Im trying to keep it real..

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

BTW what is the dateline of this item? Im thinking late 1800's the oldest but maybe Im wrong.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

~ 18" x 14" Hand-colored Photograph of Turn-of-the-century Gentleman ~

Here is everything I am aware of worth consideration. If there is anything hidden or coded, my eye - magnifying glass - and camera cannot see it. We may never know who the individual is - when it was done - or exactly what the text says, but I think it is safe to assume the following ...

1. Likely not someone famous.
2. Likely turn-of-the-century.
3. Likely Albumen print glued to cardboard.
4. Hand coloring possibly done later.
5. Framed at one time.
6. Penciled text likely studio/artist notes.
7. Worth maybe $20.00.
8. Only one person out of a dozen e-mail contacts responded to my inquiries. And they
said it was no one they recognized.

Otherwise, trying to figure it all out may be a merry-go-round that never stops unless I have it examined by a professional as Breezie suggested earlier. I found one online that I intend to submit images and info to next week. Hopefully they will be able to tell us more about it. Personally, I have hit a dead end. I truly appreciate the time, interest and efforts that everyone contributed. It's too bad that it wasn't someone famous. But you can be sure I will keep my eyes peeled for "next time." Please feel free to continue the search and dialog if you wish, and I will do the same if/when I come up with something more conclusive.

Sincerely,

SODABOTTLEBOB

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

And most important of all ...

Have A Great Fourth of July

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

~ 18" x 14" Hand-colored Photograph of Turn-of-the-century Gentleman ~

Here is everything I am aware of worth consideration. If there is anything hidden or coded, my eye - magnifying glass - and camera cannot see it. We may never know who the individual is - when it was done - or exactly what the text says, but I think it is safe to assume the following ...

1. Likely not someone famous.
2. Likely turn-of-the-century.
3. Likely Albumen print glued to cardboard.
4. Hand coloring possibly done later.
5. Framed at one time.
6. Penciled text likely studio/artist notes.
7. Worth maybe $20.00.
8. Only one person out of a dozen e-mail contacts responded to my inquiries. And they
said it was no one they recognized.

Sincerely,

SODABOTTLEBOB

I agree with everything above.

I edited down my last post. If you could make an ID, the value could possibly increase dramatically. There is still a possibility that this is someone famous and I hope you can find a connection..

I would put the photo on eBay with Teddy Roosevelts picture alongside. Tell the truth that you do not know for sure and its possible to increase the value. You never know about eBay. Look at the money resulting from the facial illusion someone saw in the cheese sandwich.

 

[Goldwind]

that was me...I asked if it could have been a code and they painted over it to hide it as a secrete. I know they used lemon juice to send messages that you would have to heat up with a candle to read.

Hello texastee. You and Goldwind are entitled to your opinions of course and my opinion is that what may look like crude hidden numbers, are just a photo illusion. Only Bob can verify.

I guess its OK to dream on but Im trying to keep it real..

Cy..I used the camera info as an example. Not everybody can see it, but it is there... The codeing I am refering to is in the letters "RIW". They are numbers and letters but I can't make them legible enough to read at this point. With that said I'm going to "keep it real" and not post anymore on that subject until I can verify it. I'll quit dreaming when I turn 60 next month..No hard feelings...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think everyone can see the lopsided numbers D, B and D7 that you pointed out but Im sure its an illusion.





As far as these tiny hidden numbers, I will have to try and study it. Bob says he cannot see any numbers under magnification.

Its cool to dream about secret codes and finding a Teddy Roosevelt picture but we are unable to prove any of it. We need solid evidence unfortunately but hey look at the cheese sandwich. Who can prove its not really Jesus?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Now wait a minute!! I see a hidden face!!!

 

[Goldwind]

Cy..I had to run it through my image program and change the lighting,saturation and whatever till I found a pic that showed it more clearly. I was looking for some kind of printers mark.Was not expecting to find what I did....Happy 4th...gene

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Cy..I had to run it through my image program and change the lighting,saturation and whatever till I found a pic that showed it more clearly. I was looking for some kind of printers mark.Was not expecting to find what I did....Happy 4th...gene

I didnt try to study it yet, so I cant comment one way or another yet.

But this does remind me of a thread where a member swore he saw ancient images in a blob of solder. I guess everyones perception is different. You may recognize something that others cannot or it may be just pure imagination. Anyway, here is the thread. I hope you enjoy it. Happy 4th to you as well. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,398059.0.html

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Hold The Press!

I decided to wrap the item up in tissue paper and safely box it away. But before doing so I got the crazy idea of using my million-candle spotlight on it that I keep in the trunk of my car and see if under the bright light it revealed anything. And it did! I still have to examine it closer in the morning, but my intial discovery this evening is that I don't think it is a hand colored photograph at all. I'm about 80% certain now that it is an original painting. With the use of the spotlight and a magnifying glass it revealed details that I had not noticed before. It's hard to explain, but the brush strokes and other subtleties like almost invisible pencil outlines have all the earmarks of an original painting. I'm not sure this changes anything, but I do consider it a significant piece of information. I will examine it closer in the morning, but at this moment I'm pretty sure it's the real deal.

I'm not sure if the following close ups will do it justice, but hopefully it will give you some idea of what I am referring to. If it is an original painting, that would explain all of the over painting around the edges. I have done a little painting myself in the past, and the best I can do to explain the type of paint here is to call it either a mat oil, or some kind of tempra/chalk form of paint. I am almost certain it is not water color. But to really confirm this one way or another I need to re-research the process of color tinting photographs. That should tell me something. It is definitely on paper and not canvas. There is no question about that!

If necessary, use your zoom feature and see what you think. I apologize for not noticing this earlier, but I just "assumed" it was a photograph ... and it may still be. But I am seriously thinking "painting" right at the moment.

For those not familiar with the "zoom" feature, most desktops have it located in the lower right corner of the screen where you will see a little 100% and a down arrow. Just click on it and change it to the desired level. I suggest 200%. But be sure to set it back to 100% when you are done.

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[NGE]

Now wait a minute!! I see a hidden face!!!
[/quote BIGCY, you do know that some guy has made a bread toaster that toasts Jesus' face onto your bread..............NGE

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Here are a couple of more close ups. Now I intend to go back and research the techniques involved with early day color enhancements of old photos and see whether they were just lightly tinted or involved a complete paint over as my so called photo/painting seems to have. But what bothers me most about this whole thing is why would someone go to all the trouble and spend the time painting a portrait on paper? Unless it was some kind of art class project in a college or art school. I just don't know. But I hope to find out. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees ... I may have missed seeing the tree due to a forest of assumption and speculation! This seems to have turned into a "What Is It?" after all. Which brings up question number one ...

Were old hand colored photos just slightly tinted or did they involve a complete paint over?

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[mojjax]

I think what you got there is a Pastel . Type " antique pastel portrait " in a google search - and click Images .

here's one I got at a auction many years ago -

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

mojjax ~

Thanks. Is your portrait on paper or canvas?

 

[mojjax]

It's on paper .

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Interesting. And thanks for the pastel suggestion. Google images had lots of good examples. What's been bothering me the most is the obvious brush strokes. But I found this that may explain it ...

Pastels are characterized by their soft shading and subtle hues. Pastels come in various forms including oil pastels, chalk pastels, and pastel pencils.

My portrait must be the "oil" type used with brushes, etc.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Instant Ancestor.

Im not sure but I always thought the early ones were tinted and the painted over came later.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Okey dokey, then. So what does all of this mean? Let's say it is a Victorian portrait done in pastel oils. Does that make it better and more valuable than a hand colored photograph? And who the heck is that guy, anyway? Inquiring minds want to know!

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Now wait a minute!! I see a hidden face!!!

BIGCY, you do know that some guy has made a bread toaster that toasts Jesus' face onto your bread..............NGE

Very ingenious. I bet he made some early money as a fad.