NEED HELP WITH PHOTO ID OF POSSIBLE FAMOUS PERSON

[Goldwind]

BCH...can you see the D,B,D7...? Depends on which way you turn it as to what it reads..
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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

BCH...can you see the D,B,D7...?

Do you want the truth?

I see what you are looking at Goldwind, but I dont see how those marks left by the paint and later scraping can possibly be numbers. We are trying to read the black letters underneath the paint.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Im curious Bob. I know the paint goes over the "RIV" logo.
Does the paint go over the pencil marks or vice versa?

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

There is very little over-brushing of paint onto the penciled label, but what does exist is "over" the penciling. The penciled label itself is glued to the cardboard backing, with about an inch of it torn off and missing on the left side. The right side is intact and you can see the original straight edge of it.

Currently I am trying to figure out how many words there might be that end with ez. If it is a name such as Alverez, I will never figure it out. But if it is some other word, I might come up with something.


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[Bigcypresshunter]

There is very little over-brushing of paint onto the penciled label, but what does exist is "over" the penciling.

So the penciling, including the Mal No6, was done before the painting, not after?

Currently I am trying to figure out how many words there might be that end with ez. If it is a name such as Alverez, I will never figure it out. But if it is some other word, I might come up with something.

There must be a way to search partial words. Our search engine here at TN will hit on partial words but my Google will not. Missing-letter-style wildcard searching is desperately needed! I wish someone will explain how to do it. Im hoping texastee will explain the crossword puzzle "dash trick" method to me.

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Web Search/thread?tid=24e6e0cb0048fc7d&hl=en


http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo...s/thread/07c14c88-8711-4337-b1dd-9914239f0687

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Correct! The penciling was done "before" the coloring and is "under" the paint.

I suspect some of you will think I'm crazy with this next observation, but if you look close where the blue arrow is pointing, you will notice there is no "tail" on what we thought was an n ... Part of what you see next to the n is the indentation of a thumbtack hole. I'm thinking now that it may be an r, and that the L may be either a capital H or a small h Like most of us, I'm just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Eventually some of it may start to make sense.

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[Bigcypresshunter]

here you go....but you can even do it on a normal search to a certain degree...just put a dash.....like Ksoenott try K-oenott or K-oen-tt the computer will do a search and come up with different solutions. If you get stuck on a crossword puzzle is it a great cheat.

Thanks but it doesnt work for me. It does give a few other examples when I dont use the dashes. What search engine are you using?

How could Bob search all words ending in ----ez?

This is what I get: Your search - ---ez - did not match any documents

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I believe all of the handwriting was done by the same person. But he has an odd way of writing S's in two different ways. I'm pretty sure it is not a z on the end of the lower word, but rather one of his odd S's. Notice the s on the top right and how it has a little "tail" on it. So I am now searching for words that end in es instead of ez

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[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I know I'm losing it, but what else is new? But if I am even close to being right with the following illustration, maybe something will jump out at someone who can fill in the missing links. After all, it is written in English. How many different things could it possibly say?

Note: On the end of the word I am seeing as "hair" the last letter definitely ends right where it disappears into the indentation of the thumb tack hole. There is no "tail" on it or anything else to suggest it is anything other than a small r. I have studied this closely with a magnifying glass and am fairly certain about it. But I admit I am not 100% certain about the so called h, other than the word hair makes the most sense. The word lair makes not sense to me at all!

Also, if you look close at the t in tive, you will see a small portion of the "cross" part.

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[Bigcypresshunter]

...Also, if you look close at the t in tive, you will see a small portion of the "cross" part.

...How many different things could it possibly say?

http://www.morewords.com/combo/tive/ addictive

fugitive # 6 http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/tive/

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Thanks Cy ~

I am certain it is tive. Now all we have to do is select from your list of 715 different words and we'll have part of it figured out. I'm thinking the penciled part is notes by or for the touch-up artist as instructions pertaining to what the person looked like. Otherwise how would anyone know what color his eyes were, etc? Just a thought.

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[Bigcypresshunter]

3706 words ending in ess. http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/ess/

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I speed scrolled through the entire list of 715 words ending with tive and this is the only one that jumped out at me.

Negative # 6

 

[Goldwind]

just to drive everyone over the edge. The word in the bottom that was covered with paint. It does look like there are codings on each letter to me.. What if this picture was used to carry messages during war? Maybe that would explain why the edges are so messy and painted over, to hide the message?

See..I may not be crazy after all!...Now..the pencil text..after "Hair" is a partial letter..only 2 letters have this form...a small "q" & "f"...and I believe the #6 refers to a paint or tint...

 

[cw0909]

SBBOB
could he be a baseball player, interesting thread
http://baseballglovecollector.com/gallery/19th-century-base-ball-images/1870s+Unknown+CDV.jpg.php

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

cw0909 ~

Thanks. And, yes, it could very well be a baseball player - boxer - etc - and just about any number of different celebrities. But so far nothing has come up to support this.

Goldwind ~

I like your small f observation. Below is the result of something I have been toying with. Of course it is based more on guesswork than anything else.

The darkness of/the hair from negative # 6 same as

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ b _ _ es sent [ out ] with -

 

[Goldwind]

SBB... _ _ b _ _ es ...I do not think this should be an 'S'...It is different from all the others...maybe a "Y"

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Cy ~

You may be right. It would make more sense. But please go back to post # 142 and see what you think of the comparisons I did. That's where I came up with my s theory.

Thanks.

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[Goldwind]

Cy ~

You may be right. It would make more sense. But please go back to post # 142 and see what you think of the comparisons I did. That's where I came up with my s theory.

Thanks.

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4 strokes versus 3 strokes=not the same..I still don't think it's an "S"...I'll include a Civil War letter for comparison...people who could write at that time wrote basically the same...