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SODABOTTLEBOB
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I am in the process of submiting my portrait to the following "Photo Detective" for evaluation.
Link: http://blog.familytreemagazine.com/photodetectiveblog/HandColored+Photographs.aspx
The left-side column of the site also has a great deal of interesting information that I consider worth looking at. The link takes a minute to open, but I have looked at it numerous times and consider it safe. Note in the opening paragraph where it says that some hand colored photographs look like "paintings."
My reason for my following this line of research is because I just can't shake off the distinct possibility that the portrait is a photograph. The reason I say this is because of the fact that the top piece of paper is super thin and may very well be the albumen type of paper I have been researching. Hopefully the detective lady will be able to clear this up once and for all, and possibly even tell us more about the portrait itself.
In the meantime, here is a portion of a copy/pasted text from a website I have been looking at. If, as the article points out, the thin paper has a watermark of some kind on it, it will likely be found on the back as the front side is totally covered in paint. However, the only way I know of to remove the paper from the cardboard is to destroy both in the process, which is a job for a professional and one I will not attempt. I may be way off track here, but it's the best I can do at present.
I will let you know if/when I hear back from the photo detective lady.
SBB
Text referring to "Rive" and "three stars" watermarks.
Perhaps this will be the proper place to correct a very prevalent error among photographers, who imagine that "Rive" is the name of a maker of paper like Canson. The fact is, Rive is the name of a small town in France, where, water-power being abundant, there are a few paper mills, the largest of which is Blanchet, Fréres and Kleber's." These makers sometimes have their initials in the water-mark, "B.F.K;." In one batch the word "Rive" will also be there, in the next absent. Sometimes only the word "Rive"` will be found, and occasionally only a few sheets in a ream have any water-mark. I mention this in explanation, for I have known photographers declare the paper to be entirely different, though coming from the same mill, because the customary water-mark was absent. "Rive" means therefore, like "Saxe," not; a makers name, but a small district producing paper of a particular character. To distinguish it from the ordinary Rive paper, which will be manufactured as before, the new paper carries a watermark of three stars, and it will be prepared of similar weight, viz., from sixteen to twenty pounds per ream.
Link: http://blog.familytreemagazine.com/photodetectiveblog/HandColored+Photographs.aspx
The left-side column of the site also has a great deal of interesting information that I consider worth looking at. The link takes a minute to open, but I have looked at it numerous times and consider it safe. Note in the opening paragraph where it says that some hand colored photographs look like "paintings."
My reason for my following this line of research is because I just can't shake off the distinct possibility that the portrait is a photograph. The reason I say this is because of the fact that the top piece of paper is super thin and may very well be the albumen type of paper I have been researching. Hopefully the detective lady will be able to clear this up once and for all, and possibly even tell us more about the portrait itself.
In the meantime, here is a portion of a copy/pasted text from a website I have been looking at. If, as the article points out, the thin paper has a watermark of some kind on it, it will likely be found on the back as the front side is totally covered in paint. However, the only way I know of to remove the paper from the cardboard is to destroy both in the process, which is a job for a professional and one I will not attempt. I may be way off track here, but it's the best I can do at present.
I will let you know if/when I hear back from the photo detective lady.
SBB
Text referring to "Rive" and "three stars" watermarks.
Perhaps this will be the proper place to correct a very prevalent error among photographers, who imagine that "Rive" is the name of a maker of paper like Canson. The fact is, Rive is the name of a small town in France, where, water-power being abundant, there are a few paper mills, the largest of which is Blanchet, Fréres and Kleber's." These makers sometimes have their initials in the water-mark, "B.F.K;." In one batch the word "Rive" will also be there, in the next absent. Sometimes only the word "Rive"` will be found, and occasionally only a few sheets in a ream have any water-mark. I mention this in explanation, for I have known photographers declare the paper to be entirely different, though coming from the same mill, because the customary water-mark was absent. "Rive" means therefore, like "Saxe," not; a makers name, but a small district producing paper of a particular character. To distinguish it from the ordinary Rive paper, which will be manufactured as before, the new paper carries a watermark of three stars, and it will be prepared of similar weight, viz., from sixteen to twenty pounds per ream.
I wonder about the texture of the picture itself. If you have mentioned this, forgive my overlooking it. My first thought when I saw it was portrait not photograph, and that it is an oil pastel medium.My oil pastels are in stick or crayon form. I don't know their form for the time period of the picture, maybe cake like. This would explain the brush strokes.
