Lost Treasures of Ecuador

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Geeze Mack my friend. tis a far cry when I started, they gave me a Scuba Pro and the Navy divers manual. but it was fun and somehow I didn't kill myself = perhaps because i studied as well as read it. But twas fun, virgin waters then .

 

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[Mackaydon]

Good (?) memories of those early Scuba days........My 'final' exam in 1960 was to swim out fifty feet from shore, retrieve an object from the bottom and come back to shore. Sounds simple, of course. What I didn't know was that the 'test' was in the Cape Cod canal during a 'racing' current. Nearly a quarter mile down current they fished me out--laughing. What a sadistic duo--but they handed me my cert. and all was forgiven.
Don.......

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

he he Mac,I can just see that My initial swimming away from the tank, consisted in dismantling the reg from the tank swimming the distance of the pool return and commence breathing from the tank 'then' reconnecting the reg.. Course in an emergency one would just slice the hose and breath far easies with less water than from the tank alone.. It seems your boys were conscientious as well as having a sense of humor. Why we are still able to have you with us. Now days they are almost afraid to mention drowning for fear of driving away cash customers.

 

[Crow]

Mackaydon Too deep for me too, definatley the next generation.

TT

In short a list of useful skills to seek treasures on land and sea around the world.

Organization skills
Money management skills
Scuba diving skills.
Wreck diving skills.
Being actually able to swim.
basic mechanical skills.
Knowledge of geology.
Map reading skills.
Navigation reading skills.
Boat handling skills.
Archival research skill.
Being multilingual.
Have archeological skills.
Mining skills.
Public speaking skills.
Reasonable amount of fitness.
Survival skills.
First aid skills.
Excellent knowledge of world history.
Bush skills.
knowledge of metal detectors and various other tools

There are more and more the better...

Crow

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Crow ya forgot no damn morales And Mule psychology.

 

[tintin_treasure]

Mackaydon Too deep for me too, definatley the next generation.

TT

In short a list of useful skills to seek treasures on land and sea around the world.

Organization skills
Money management skills
Scuba diving skills.
Wreck diving skills.
Being actually able to swim.
basic mechanical skills.
Knowledge of geology.
Map reading skills.
Navigation reading skills.
Boat handling skills.
Archival research skill.
Being multilingual.
Have archeological skills.
Mining skills.
Public speaking skills.
Reasonable amount of fitness.
Survival skills.
First aid skills.
Excellent knowledge of world history.
Bush skills.
knowledge of metal detectors and various other tools

There are more and more the better...

Crow

thanks Crow. It surely seems multi-disciplinary. I wonder why we dont see ex-Navy SEALs being treasure hunters. They seem to have all the qualities. We only see them in real life or movies working in the security business. They could use thier superb abilities for treasure hunting.Just a thought.

tintin treasure

 

[tintin_treasure]

Crow one hypothetical Question.
Lets say someone has a concrete treasure info and for a variety of reasons couldnt get to the treasure, but knows he has the right info to get to the treasure. Can he write a book that pays off where he gives his clues in disguised form in the book? i.e. the clues in the book are potentially understood but it takes time to crack them. The reasoning that he shouldnt give the entire clue clearly in the book is because once the book is out few copies will be bought and one of the first persons who bought the book might get the treasure and the public interest for book vanishes. This theory is inline with what I said last time that a treasure hunter can also deal with ''information selling'' without handling the actual '' hardware''treasure itself,,i.e. sort of ''soft treasure hunting''.What is your expert opinion on this.

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

Hello TT

Some of the most successful treasure hunters are hardly ever known. In fact you can pass them in street and never know. As they have learned the value of being invisible and blending in. They are just ordinary people doing extrodinary thing quietly I the background. They have all the problems in life as anyone else.

The reality is that 90% of the time is research. Many people cannot handle staring at thousands of documents hours at a time. Many just rather walk outside with detector and hope they come across some thing by chance. Some do get lucky of course but many will spend the rest of lives digging up coins here and there. But hey nothing wrong with it. But for the hardcore my friend they are not interested in that they are after the big find. Many will fail due to various reasons. There are a few that will excel in what they do. Some are so good they fly under the radar of the public right under the noses of the establishment.

One thing I guarantee you the successful ones never ever publicly call themselves a treasure hunter.

Crow

 

[coazon de oro]

Hello Tintin Treasure technically I somewhere between retired and a company part owner director of some various projects with my business partners in several countries. tintin sadly the Forrest Fenn treasure does not fit my or my business partners ie "trio" criteria in what we look for. However I wish you every success and anyone else for that matter.

Europe has interesting treasure troves laws indeed. But like anywhere if ya found anything really big the claws come out. I will have a dig through my records I may find a story for ya. But ya have to be patient. I have a personal trainer running old crows legs off at the moment. Not a part of me that does not hurt......

Crow

Howdy Crow,

Mind sharing which boxes don't tick for the trio on the Forrest Fenn Treasure?

Homar

 

[tintin_treasure]

Hello TT

Some of the most successful treasure hunters are hardly ever known. In fact you can pass them in street and never know. As they have learned the value of being invisible and blending in. They are just ordinary people doing extrodinary thing quietly I the background. They have all the problems in life as anyone else.

The reality is that 90% of the time is research. Many people cannot handle staring at thousands of documents hours at a time. Many just rather walk outside with detector and hope they come across some thing by chance. Some do get lucky of course but many will spend the rest of lives digging up coins here and there. But hey nothing wrong with it. But for the hardcore my friend they are not interested in that they are after the big find. Many will fail due to various reasons. There are a few that will excel in what they do. Some are so good they fly under the radar of the public right under the noses of the establishment.

One thing I guarantee you the successful ones never ever publicly call themselves a treasure hunter.

Crow

Thanks Crow for that insight. I agree it must be 90 percent inspiration and 10 percent perspiration.

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

Crow one hypothetical Question.
Lets say someone has a concrete treasure info and for a variety of reasons couldnt get to the treasure, but knows he has the right info to get to the treasure. Can he write a book that pays off where he gives his clues in disguised form in the book? i.e. the clues in the book are potentially understood but it takes time to crack them. The reasoning that he shouldnt give the entire clue clearly in the book is because once the book is out few copies will be bought and one of the first persons who bought the book might get the treasure and the public interest for book vanishes. This theory is inline with what I said last time that a treasure hunter can also deal with ''information selling'' without handling the actual '' hardware''treasure itself,,i.e. sort of ''soft treasure hunting''.What is your expert opinion on this.

tintin treasure

Hello TT

Patience is a virtue my friend. The trio have many thousands of documents that we never give out. As much as I hate to say it as I am a big lover of books and Documentaries. Most documenteries you what do not make a profit they usually barely brake even as the same of most books. The world has changed much since that was 20th century methodology. New technologies killed that form of profit generation.

It all comes down to doing the right deals with the right people under a legal binding contractual arrangement under corporations law. Not as a individual, but as a legal corporate enity. Why if a government or large institution fails to honor legal contractual arrangements then they are open for legal actions themselves. And if in a country or State is to renege on its lawful contracts it has far greater repercussion with many other corporate entities operating in that state or country to do further business.. If one was to take in partnership of various parties they will be bound by a legal contractual framework. You as the corporate identity is providing research information signed under a non disclosure agreement of that information as part of the contract as well as contractual arrangements such as profit sharing from that information. Which might be of course with interested several parties with a vested interest as such.

So as I said paitence is virtue my friend. The trio has many projects in various levels of development dealing and taking to various parties. What information is disclosed is in stages is through confidentiality agreement through corporate laws.Some freak out as They though us to be dumb country hicks only discovery teams of Harvard corporate lawyers on our payroll.

Ya see the trio of dumb hicks had good training working being whipping donkeys for multinational mining companies around the world, and there is no one more ruthless than them.

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

Hello TT

Patience is a virtue my friend. The trio have many thousands of documents that we never give out. As much as I hate to say it as I am a big lover of books and Documentaries. Most documenteries you what do not make a profit they usually barely brake even as the same of most books. The world has changed much since that was 20th century methodology. New technologies killed that form of profit generation.

It all comes down to doing the right deals with the right people under a legal binding contractual arrangement under corporations law. Not as a individual, but as a legal corporate enity. Why if a government or large institution fails to honor legal contractual arrangements then they are open for legal actions themselves. And if in a country or State is to renege on its lawful contracts it has far greater repercussion with many other corporate entities operating in that state or country to do further business.. If one was to take in partnership of various parties they will be bound by a legal contractual framework. You as the corporate identity is providing research information signed under a non disclosure agreement of that information as part of the contract as well as contractual arrangements such as profit sharing from that information. Which might be of course with interested several parties with a vested interest as such.

So as I said paitence is virtue my friend. The trio has many projects in various levels of development dealing and taking to various parties. What information is disclosed is in stages is through confidentiality agreement through corporate laws.Some freak out as They though us to be dumb country hicks only discovery teams of Harvard corporate lawyers on our payroll.

Ya see the trio of dumb hicks had good training working being whipping donkeys for multinational mining companies around the world, and there is no one more ruthless than them.

Crow

thanks Crow for that professional advise. It seems it is not a hit and run business,,,

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

Howdy Crow,

Mind sharing which boxes don't tick for the trio on the Forrest Fenn Treasure?

Homar

Hello homar

For me many flags raised. And for me many boxes don't tick for me.

If I was asked what was Fenns motives where?

In my humble opinion I ask this.....

What makes you think he actually buried or hidden what he claims? He has shown the alleged treasure on TV and in pictures to convince people that's it real. However he may never have actually buried or hidden the treasure at all?

If he hid nothing to start with it will perpetuate his name and treasure into legend. Because people will be looking for it forever and a day dreaming of it, but never finding it. Forrest Fenn to me is a man after immortality and how he aims to achieve it is through peoples common weakness greed.

Because of this there will always be believers out there willing to believe the dream and why not? For the everyday person slogging a some times hard existence, its the belief at least for them there is a chance to be a big winner. Maybe a better alternative that stuck in casino dreaming of the big one?. Thus his name and legend will live on forever. And another thing he has induced possibly a new generation of thousands of want to be treasure hunters who do not have to think too much, chasing an elusive dream to get back at authorities. After all he was collector of artifacts. investigated by them and it must of rubbed him up the wrong way. A man of his age being treated like crap by authorities? Who now not have only to deal deal with thousands of honest treasure seekers but also thousands brain dead idiots running around digging up national parks etc..

In a vain effort to support a Forrest Fenn's egotistic dream of mortality and revenge? Hell if they had done what they did to him to me I would be doing the same thing.

just ask this old boy below.....He vents his anger at authorities tells it all like it is...Forrest has not broken any laws but has made a massive FU to authorities who has raided him. It is diabolical and evil, And that's why I love it.



Crow

 

[doc-d]

Thank you our wise black bird…….
Your points are well stated……

How is your training progressing?

 

[tintin_treasure]

Hello homar

For me many flags raised. And for me many boxes don't tick for me.

If I was asked what was Fenns motives where?

In my humble opinion I ask this.....

What makes you think he actually buried or hidden what he claims? He has shown the alleged treasure on TV and in pictures to convince people that's it real. However he may never have actually buried or hidden the treasure at all?

If he hid nothing to start with it will perpetuate his name and treasure into legend. Because people will be looking for it forever and a day dreaming of it, but never finding it. Forrest Fenn to me is a man after immortality and how he aims to achieve it is through peoples common weakness greed.

Because of this there will always be believers out there willing to believe the dream and why not? For the everyday person slogging a some times hard existence, its the belief at least for them there is a chance to be a big winner. Maybe a better alternative that stuck in casino dreaming of the big one?. Thus his name and legend will live on forever. And another thing he has induced possibly a new generation of thousands of want to be treasure hunters who do not have to think too much, chasing an elusive dream to get back at authorities. After all he was collector of artifacts. investigated by them and it must of rubbed him up the wrong way. A man of his age being treated like crap by authorities? Who now not have only to deal deal with thousands of honest treasure seekers but also thousands brain dead idiots running around digging up national parks etc..

In a vain effort to support a Forrest Fenn's egotistic dream of mortality and revenge? Hell if they had done what they did to him to me I would be doing the same thing.

just ask this old boy below.....He vents his anger at authorities tells it all like it is...Forrest has not broken any laws but has made a massive FU to authorities who has raided him. It is diabolical and evil, And that's why I love it.



Crow

Crow,What you write is ofcourse reasonable. For me I gave it the benefit of the doubt, and given the poem, I think I know where he hid the chest if he has hidden it,,,one has to have certain context at the back of his mind when cracks the poem and I have an orginal idea...Unfortunately I can not go to America at this moment to prove my efforts,and simply giving out the information to someone from remote is not wise. Friends and relations would think I am out of my mind,,Hence I am in undecided state as far as that treasure hunt is concerned,,I also thought of contacting antique dealers in USA if a deal is possible,,,but that still complicated...anyway,,
Now others are waiting for another upcoming book 'endgame:the calling' and we would witness another round of chasers..

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

hello doc

very slowly....Slowly. But getting a little better... the mind is will but joints are saying no.

Crow

 

[Crow]

Crow,What you write is ofcourse reasonable. For me I gave it the benefit of the doubt, and given the poem, I think I know where he hid the chest if he has hidden it,,,one has to have certain context at the back of his mind when cracks the poem and I have an orginal idea...Unfortunately I can not go to America at this moment to prove my efforts,and simply giving out the information to someone from remote is not wise. Friends and relations would think I am out of my mind,,Hence I am in undecided state as far as that treasure hunt is concerned,,I also thought of contacting antique dealers in USA if a deal is possible,,,but that still complicated...anyway,,
Now others are waiting for another upcoming book 'endgame:the calling' and we would witness another round of chasers..

tintin treasure

TT for me there is much much more treasure out there to be found real treasure from real events. North America and South America is full of historical events that created situations that lead to treasure hidden due to various reason either by crime, war or civil unrest. Same for UK and Europe and many other places. There treasure stories the first thing ya have to look for is motive....just like a cop

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

TT for me there is much much more treasure out there to be found real treasure from real events. North America and South America is full of historical events that created situations that lead to treasure hidden due to various reason either by crime, war or civil unrest. Same for UK and Europe and many other places. There treasure stories the first thing ya have to look for is motive....just like a cop

Crow

that is a nice one . I do agree many T stories are out there to be discovered,,,by the way as to Europe,(besides UK and besides Nazi related hoards) which top three treasure stories do you think are the most promising given your careful eyes to discern mere myths from real legends?

tintin treasure

 

[Crow]

that is a nice one . I do agree many T stories are out there to be discovered,,,by the way as to Europe,(besides UK and besides Nazi related hoards) which top three treasure stories do you think are the most promising given your careful eyes to discern mere myths from real legends?

tintin treasure

I do have some unfortunately I am legally bound not to disclose what they are with confidentiality agreements with various parties with vested interest.

Crow

 

[tintin_treasure]

I do have some unfortunately I am legally bound not to disclose what they are with confidentiality agreements with various parties with vested interest.

Crow

Thanks Crow. I understand. Sometime back I began to dig on the so called Napolean treasure which he looted from Moscow but didnt reach Paris during that fateful retreat journey...Somehow on the journey back it disappeared or left buried somewhere around present day Lituania (there is a thread I started sometime back). Suck kind of stories are very fascinating but couldn't proceed further with lack of real docs. I understand your professionalism dont worry.

tintin treasure