Its End Game

[Rebel - KGC]

This should be interesting, can't wait to hear ECS accurately explain all of this. But before he does, he might want to consider how thirty men (the party) knew so much about Robert Morriss when, as Beale explains it in his letter, "men you have never seen and names you have never heard." And yet, they all knew so much about Morriss, so much so that they chose him over others and allowed Beale to visit with Morriss so he could judge for himself. Morriss, on the other hand, ends up knowing where the men accompanying Beale lived,.......how would all of this be possible if none of these men had actually met before? And yet it was possible......

The way that I understood the ORIGINAL Pamphlet, TJB "vetted" RM, several years before "contact"; as chosen "Captain" (in St. Loo, I think), the Associates/Companions TRUSTED TJB's "Vetting" & "knew" Rm could be trusted. It was in one of TJB's letters to RM, I think... I will review.

 

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[bigscoop]

"Richmond's Jackson Ward neighborhood is located on the northern edge of the downtown district. It was originally built by European immigrants attracted to and made prosperous by Richmond's status as a central retail hub. Freed slaves began moving into the neighborhood during Reconstruction, and by 1920 Jackson Ward was one of the most active and well-known centers of African-American life in the country........."

Ecs, do you fully understand the difference between Freed slaves, African American, and Free People of Color?Apparently not. Per example, did you know that Sally Hemmings was 3/4 European?Apparently you think that all free people of color and all freed slaves were African which was, and has never been, the case. You really need to research this, just as those who wrote the above fully understood these differences when they penned it. This isn't a subject you can fully understand by simply browsing a few links on the web. It takes quite a bit of research to gain a good grasp of these differences.

And I woke up today with a headcold and a toothache so you're going to have to find someone else to pick argument with until I get to feeling better. God, how I hate head colds!!!!!!

PS: Have you ever seen a picture of Sally Hemmings when she was young? WOW......"good to be the Prez!" Also, just for giggles, you might find the subject of John Wayles interesting, Jefferson's father-in-law, who was a slave trader. Also take note that Hemmings retained the maiden name "of her mother" and not that of her father. Just a lot of little tid-bits worth your further exploring. The right questions lead to the right answers.....and still so curious a question...how did the Hart's possibly arrive at Thomas Jefferson Beale?

 

[ECS]

Just some more irrelevant information that has nothing to do with this theory concerning the "secret" history behind the Beale Papers.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Just some more irrelevant information that has nothing to do with this theory concerning the "secret" history behind the Beale Papers.

Irrelevant information ?

What pert ?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Meanwhile back at the Beale forum some new info has hit the fans .

 

[ECS]

Irrelevant information ?

What pert ?

All of that post, Laf, if you need to know.

 

[bigscoop]

Just some more irrelevant information that has nothing to do with this theory concerning the "secret" history behind the Beale Papers.

"Has nothing to do with this theory......."
Man, you sure know a lot about this new theory that you know so little about.......

 

[Cryptography]

All of that post, Laf, if you need to know.

Jean, don't get her mad at you!

 

[ECS]

"Has nothing to do with this theory......."
Man, you sure know a lot about this new theory that you know so little about.......

On one post you claim the story contained in the Beale Papers has nothing to do with the "real" hidden secret events that are concealed in the Beale narrative, no buffalo hunt, no treasure, etc, then you go back to the story (30 men, unknown author is Alderman Beale, etc) and pose hypothetical questions from what you claim is a work of fiction, or an allegory at best.
So what are the Beale Papers-true, fiction, or an allegory?
Waiting for you to create more "evidence".

 

[ECS]

Jean, don't get her mad at you!

Squawk! Squawk! Crypto gets testy when she doesn't get that cracker!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Squawk! Squawk! Crypto gets testy when she doesn't get that cracker!

LOL!

 

[bigscoop]

So we can discard your former theory concerning Girard, Patterson's ship TORPEDO captained by Mathew "Mexico" Sherman in the opium and gun running trade that also involved Lafitte at Galveston and may have been part of a plot to rescue Napoleon?

I see the problem now..... You've not even been reading my previous post.

 

[ECS]

I see the problem now...

That in this hunt the dog is barking up the wrong tree?

 

[ECS]

...how did the Hart's possibly arrive at Thomas Jefferson Beale?

Could the Harts have intuited the name being tied to C2' DOI connection to Thomas Jefferson?
Also, what was Alderman Thomas J Beale's middle name?
You don't know, do you?

 

[Dr. Syn]

So, let me get this straight, as I am a straw brain.

Someone wrote a pamphlet, or shall we say story. Author not 100% known.

Said author, described a set of stories, even though both were 65 or so years prior.

Characters of said stories are not 100% known either. Could possibly be this person or that person, or neither.

This author somewhere along the line had to have been told or read about these stories, due to the time frame, prior to their writing of the pamphlet.

Said author was then getting stories at least second hand given to him. (We all know history is nothing more then what the teller wants us to know.)

Story is said to have treasure, of which it's make up is not 100% known.

Said treasure is hidden somewhere, again not 100% known.

So we have a maybe author, listing could be, maybe characters, about a possible treasure, hidden somewhere, about things that happened that he either read about or was told about? A story now at least second hand, so there is at least two chances of items being left out or missed by the second/third/forth telling? Whoops, forgot about 3 coded sheets, which the author could have been given, copied, or made up? And supposedly if your were to solve all the sheets, the treasure actually belongs divvied up to the folks listed on one of the sheets?


Dang, now I'm confused even more.

 

[bigscoop]

That in this hunt the dog is barking up the wrong tree?

If you say so. I'm sure "the dog" makes up a fair amount of the 5336 views that this thread has already generated and that he's using a lot of these replies to make certain that he has all of his ducks in a row. Or not......so it's whatever you want to believe as you have clearly been doing exactly that from post one. Me, I really don't care sense this isn't even my theory - I was just asked to put some of it out here, which I have done. Where you go with it from here is up to you. If you want to rewrite the dictionary, assume that free people of color had to be African, etc., etc., etc., then so be it. By all means, keep doing your own thing. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

So, let me get this straight, as I am a straw brain.

Someone wrote a pamphlet, or shall we say story. Author not 100% known.

Said author, described a set of stories, even though both were 65 or so years prior.

Characters of said stories are not 100% known either. Could possibly be this person or that person, or neither.

This author somewhere along the line had to have been told or read about these stories, due to the time frame, prior to their writing of the pamphlet.

Said author was then getting stories at least second hand given to him. (We all know history is nothing more then what the teller wants us to know.)

Story is said to have treasure, of which it's make up is not 100% known.

Said treasure is hidden somewhere, again not 100% known.

So we have a maybe author, listing could be, maybe characters, about a possible treasure, hidden somewhere, about things that happened that he either read about or was told about? A story now at least second hand, so there is at least two chances of items being left out or missed by the second/third/forth telling? Whoops, forgot about 3 coded sheets, which the author could have been given, copied, or made up? And supposedly if your were to solve all the sheets, the treasure actually belongs divvied up to the folks listed on one of the sheets?


Dang, now I'm confused even more.

If I were you I would just start with reading the Beale Papers first, most of this forum is hot air that I can tell . Seems no one ells has decoded the papers yet !

 

[bigscoop]

If I were you I would just start with reading the Beale Papers first, most of this forum is hot air that I can tell . Seems no one ells has decoded the papers yet !

I think what you need to say here, is perhaps, "no one else has decoded the papers the way I have."

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I think what you need to say here, is perhaps, "no one else has decoded the papers the way I have."

(Singing the CLASSIC 60's song)... NOBODY! BUT ME!

 

[TN_Guest1523]

I think what you need to say here, is perhaps, "no one else has decoded the papers the way I have."

I think you are right, no one has the key's but .. .