Its End Game

...I have no problem showing support of extremely strong theories and sharing what I can in regards to those theories, just as I have been doing here.

"This is a true story. The names have been changed to protect the innocent".....and so, of course, by your definition of literary license, the entire story must then be deemed, fiction!
"Based on a true story"....and so of course, and yet again, by your definition of literary license, the entire story must be deemed, fiction!...
A "true story" where all the events that it is based upon have been changed?
If this is such an "extremely strong" theory, why is the only support provided consist of repeating the same minimal facts about Alderman Beale reinforced with assumptions piled with speculation, then augmented with unrelated pablum links?
...and you question my credibility?
This slight of hand jive facts does not constitute a real secret story behind the "based on a true story" to which you allude.
 

That is why I think that Wards daughter was the author and Ward just added to it and cleaned it up a bit to form the pamphlet . Then that newspaper lady from 1934 would have a correct statement from the daughter that J. B.Ward that he created the pamphlet . Is that what she said ? I do not know for I have not seen it .

Sounds like a win win to me. That would make a perfect link to the pamphlet. Do you know the daughters name?
 

Sounds like a win win to me. That would make a perfect link to the pamphlet. Do you know the daughters name?

As for the new theory in question, it does contain family connections in regards to the author, just not this one.
 

If there is a family connection, its time to reveal that person.
 

If there is a family connection, its time to reveal that person.

But I already have. I'm not stunned that you have not figured it out......took someone else to point the obvious out to me as well.
 

But I already have. I'm not stunned that you have not figured it out......took someone else to point the obvious out to me as well.
If it is so obvious, why are you holding back this name?
Or is this just a game you are playing with all of us?
 

If it is so obvious, why are you holding back this name?
Or is this just a game you are playing with all of us?

Not a game at all. Let's just say that I have to build to it, and with sound reason, but the moment is drawing very close. So, in 1863, the year of the interviews, where was Robert Morriss?
 

Not a game at all. Let's just say that I have to build to it, and with sound reason, but the moment is drawing very close. So, in 1863, the year of the interviews, where was Robert Morriss?
Dead...? Buried, SOMEWHERE... according to the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet, RM was interviewed in 1862.
 

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Dead...? Buried, SOMEWHERE... according to the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet, RM was interviewed in 1862.

For the purpose of the question it really doesn't matter if it was 62/63. All that's really important is where Morriss was at during those interviews.
 

As for the new theory in question, it does contain family connections in regards to the author, just not this one.
You may find this interesting.
1824-015 Issac Freeman (a slave) vs EXRS of James Boyd, which involves a John Beale of Botetourt County.
(You will need to scroll down about 2/3 of the page)
http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaxtf/view?docld=lva/vi03473.xml
or google:
issac Freeman vs James Boyd
or
A Guide To Augusta County (Va) Chancery causes 1746
 

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For the purpose of the question it really doesn't matter if it was 62/63. All that's really important is where Morriss was at during those interviews.

According to the Job Print Pamphlet, Robert Morris says he conducted the interview in his room. His room at that time was at the home of his niece, Rosalyn Saunders on what is today Rosalyn Street.

I will be leaving the forum for a while. I have a lot of reflecting back to do. I wish everyone the best. Rebel you take care enjoy what God has given you in life. The same goes for everyone else. The treasure you seek you already have it is very near you. Just reach out and embrace someone that loves you. Life is so short and our lives seem to drift away so fast, you never know how dear someone or something is near you until it is gone. I would give all the treasures of the world if I could only get back what I have lost in the past two years. God Bless. Good luck to Jean Laf, bigscoop, ECS, Rebel and everyone else.
 

According to the Job Print Pamphlet, Robert Morris says he conducted the interview in his room. His room at that time was at the home of his niece, Rosalyn Saunders on what is today Rosalyn Street.

I will be leaving the forum for a while. I have a lot of reflecting back to do. I wish everyone the best. Rebel you take care enjoy what God has given you in life. The same goes for everyone else. The treasure you seek you already have it is very near you. Just reach out and embrace someone that loves you. Life is so short and our lives seem to drift away so fast, you never know how dear someone or something is near you until it is gone. I would give all the treasures of the world if I could only get back what I have lost in the past two years. God Bless. Good luck to Jean Laf, bigscoop, ECS, Rebel and everyone else.

Time away for reflection is always good. :thumbsup: All of this other stuff is pretty meaningless in the big scheme of things.
 

Ok, who was the author? Let's get to that, but first let's clear the air on some debates that have been allowed to linger to simply illustrate the continued inaccuracies in some of those contrary opinions.

The debate over the identities of “Clay, Coles, Jackson, Witcher, and Chief Justice Marshall”....some have repeatedly argued with great romance that these men were of local identity of importance when in fact the author makes clear the opposite when he writes; “This house he conducted for many years, enjoying the friendship and countenance of the first men of the country. Amongst his guests and devoted personal friends Jackson, Clay, Coles, Witcher, Chief Justice Marshall, and a host of others scarcely less distinguished, might be enumerated.” This information has clearly been there all along.

Second, the debate over the importance Richmond and where the party members were from. This also being clearly detailed when the author writes, “but that the gentlemen accompanying him would leave in a few days for Richmond, near which place they resided, ..” This information is describing what would become known as known as Jackson Ward which during the period rested just outside of Richmond proper. Again this information, and by the author's own hand, has been there all along.

Third, that the party consisted of free men of color, this also clearly being detailed by the author when he writes; "In person, he was about six feet in height, with jet black eyes and hair of the same color, worn longer than was the style at that time. His form was symmetrical, and gave evidence of unusual strength and activity; but his distinguishing feature was a dark and swarthy complexion, as if much exposure to the sun and weather had thoroughly tanned and discolored him;..” and this being further described when he adds; “They all appeared to be gentlemen, well born, and well educated, with refined and courteous manners and with afree and independent air, which rendered them peculiarly attractive.”

OK, now that we have these lingering calamities cleared up there can no longer be any doubt that the party consisted of free men of color and that they originated from what is known as Jackson Ward, Richmond, Virginia. Nor can there any longer be any debate over the exact identities of the referenced Clay, Coles, Witcher, Jackson,, and Chief Justice Marshall.” If you still feel compelled to believe otherwise then you are simply cuddling a local romance that will forever leave you rambling along on the wrong roads.

As for the author of the pamphlet, this was Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward, Richmond, Virginia, which is about to be fully explained in the following post.
 

...and will you address the connection of Alderman Beale to James Beverly Ward, and the big WHY- The reason for copyrighting and publishing the Beale job pamphlet to be sold only in the limited market of Lynchburg?
 

Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward is narrated a family history as much as a tale of treasure, per example, how did the author know the following so intimately?

Many poor but worthy families, whose descendants are now in our midst, can remember the fact that his table supplied their daily food, not for days and weeks only, but for months at a time; and as a farther instance of his forbearance and unparalleled generosity, there are now living those who will testify to the fact that he permitted a boarder in no way connected with him, to remain in his house for more than twenty years, and until he died, without ever receiving the slightest renumeration, and that he was never made to feel otherwise than as a favored guest.
 

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...and will you address the connection of Alderman Beale to James Beverly Ward, and the big WHY- The reason for copyrighting and publishing the Beale job pamphlet to be sold only in the limited market of Lynchburg?

We'll get to this.....:thumbsup:
 

Hey , chief justice Marshall had black eyes. No , not from fighting...his eye color was black.
Perhaps his hair matched , which would be noticed more as it was a time, and an opinion of his it seems; that wigs were old school and from another culture.
 

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There is a HUGE amount of additional disclosure in the following statements;

and your reputation as a man of the sternest integrity, unblemished honor, and business capacity, influenced them to select you in place of others better known, but perhaps, not so reliable as yourself. It was with this design that I first visited your house, two years since, that I might judge by personal observation if your reputation was merited. To enable me better to do so, I remained with you more than three months, and until I was fully satisfied as to your character. This visit was made by the request of my associates, and you can judge from their action whether my report was a favorable one.”

What we learn in this information is that Morriss was well known to the party members before Beale had ever made his first visit. As already posted, in his disclosure Morriss confirms that he was well aware that the company of men with Beale were from the Richmond area, so very clearly he, at the very least, knew of them and where they resided. In this we can easily conclude that Morriss and at least many of the party members had interacted with knowledge of each other prior to the start of the grand adventure detailed in the pamphlet. This isn't speculation, this is readily established fact based on the testimony of both Beale and Morriss.
 

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