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[Rebel - KGC]

There is a HUGE amount of additional disclosure in the following statements;

“and your reputation as a man of the sternest integrity, unblemished honor, and business capacity, influenced them to select you in place of others better known, but perhaps, not so reliable as yourself. It was with this design that I first visited your house, two years since, that I might judge by personal observation if your reputation was merited. To enable me better to do so, I remained with you more than three months, and until I was fully satisfied as to your character. This visit was made by the request of my associates, and you can judge from their action whether my report was a favorable one.”

What we learn in this information is that Morriss was well known to the party members before Beale had ever made his first visit. As already posted, in his disclosure Morriss confirms that he was well aware that the company of men with Beale were from the Richmond area, so very clearly he, at the very least, knew of them and where they resided. In this we can easily conclude that Morriss and at least many of the party members had interacted with knowledge of each other prior to the start of the grand adventure detailed in the pamphlet.AGAIN! This isn't speculation, this is readily established fact based on the testimony of both Beale and Morriss.

AGAIN! WHICH copy of the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet, are you reading from...?

 

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[bigscoop]

AGAIN! WHICH copy of the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet, are you reading from...?

It doesn't matter, Reb, just pick one.

 

[ECS]

... This isn't speculation, this is readily established fact based on the testimony of both Beale and Morriss.

This "testimony" is from the Beale Papers, NOT from an outside source that is required to corroborate the validity of the Beale story or anything contained in the Beale Papers. There is NO evidence that can prove that Beale and Morriss ever met.
More speculation to fit a pet theory.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

There is a HUGE amount of additional disclosure in the following statements;

“and your reputation as a man of the sternest integrity, unblemished honor, and business capacity, influenced them to select you in place of others better known, but perhaps, not so reliable as yourself. It was with this design that I first visited your house, two years since, that I might judge by personal observation if your reputation was merited. To enable me better to do so, I remained with you more than three months, and until I was fully satisfied as to your character. This visit was made by the request of my associates, and you can judge from their action whether my report was a favorable one.”

What we learn in this information is that Morriss was well known to the party members before Beale had ever made his first visit. As already posted, in his disclosure Morriss confirms that he was well aware that the company of men with Beale were from the Richmond area, so very clearly he, at the very least, knew of them and where they resided. In this we can easily conclude that Morriss and at least many of the party members had interacted with knowledge of each other prior to the start of the grand adventure detailed in the pamphlet. This isn't speculation, this is readily established fact based on the testimony of both Beale and Morriss.

Two of the three I think there Bro .

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It doesn't matter, Reb, just pick one.

WRONG ANSWER! ONLY PV has a copy of ORIGINAL Pamphlet in his book THE BEALE TREASURE: NEW History of a MYSTERY, pg. 22-44. It DOES Matter! Quote page number of the copy of the ORIGINAL; then we ALL can "follow" along. For example; in the ORIGINAL, p. 8 "It was in the month of January, 1820, while keeping the Washington Hotel (NOT true... Washington Hotel wasn't built until 1823; he meant his home, Washington Inn), that I first saw and became acquainted with Beale. In company with TWO others, he came to my HOUSE, seeking entertainment for himself and friends.... that the gentlemen accompanying him (2) would leave in a few days for Richmond, near which place they resided....". ONLY TWO went on to NEAR Richmond; THIS was in 1820... AND! NOTHING about about JACKSON WARD!

 

[ECS]

Jackson Ward did not exist n 1820, and in the 1860 Census, which mentions Thomas J Beale, as Freeborn of color, states his residence as the 2nd Ward of Richmond.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Thomas J. Beale of Jackson Ward is narrated a family history as much as a tale of treasure, per example, how did the author know the following so intimately?

“Many poor but worthy families, whose descendants are now in our midst, can remember the fact that his table supplied their daily food, not for days and weeks only, but for months at a time; and as a farther instance of his forbearance and unparalleled generosity, there are now living those who will testify to the fact that he permitted a boarder in no way connected with him, to remain in his house for more than twenty years, and until he died, without ever receiving the slightest renumeration, and that he was never made to feel otherwise than as a favored guest.”

Secret Boarder was PROBABLY Newton Hazlewood...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Jackson Ward did not exist n 1820, and in the 1860 Census, which mentions Thomas J Beale, as Freeborn of color, states his residence as the 2nd Ward of Richmond.

The TJB that was born in 1827...?

 

[bigscoop]

Again, all of these premature responses have been anticipated and expected. But I wonder, how can they be without first having been offered all of the information and details regarding this new theory?

There is obviously so much more to disclose, and yet you are all so darn sure of yourselves. Amazing, and also very telling.

 

[bigscoop]

Jackson Ward did not exist n 1820, and in the 1860 Census, which mentions Thomas J Beale, as Freeborn of color, states his residence as the 2nd Ward of Richmond.

If you say so.

 

[ECS]

The TJB that was born in 1827...?

That is correct.

 

[ECS]

If you say so.

The history of Richmond says so.

 

[bigscoop]

The history of Richmond says so.

No - no, YOUR history of Richmond says so......the picture you're continually trying to paint for those who don't know any better, which are actually quite few, is that no form of colonization ever took place in the defined region prior to it officially being called, Jackson Ward, which as you well know, "is not true." Current homes in the Jackson Ward district date back into the 1830's and the region was settled long before it ever became a part of Richmond proper or officially Jackson Ward. As I told you before, it really doesn't matter if it was called the pumpkin patch in those earlier years as the fact remains that it was being developed and that it was a center for immigrants and free men of color. Anyone can easily find all of this out on the web.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

No - no, YOUR history of Richmond says so......the picture you're continually trying to paint for those who don't know any better, which are actually quite few, is that no form of colonization ever took place in the defined region prior to it officially being called, Jackson Ward, which as you well know, "is not true." Current homes in the Jackson Ward district date back into the 1830's and the region was settled long before it ever became a part of Richmond proper or officially Jackson Ward. As I told you before, it really doesn't matter if it was called the pumpkin patch in those earlier years as the fact remains that it was being developed and that it was a center for immigrants and free men of color. Anyone can easily find all of this out on the web.

Give us the web-site "addies", then...

 

[ECS]

... Anyone can easily find all of this out on the web.

Yes there were European immigrants who lived in that area of Richmond during the early 1800's, and anyone can easily find out on the web, the mass influx of freedmen of color began during Reconstruction in the 1870's.
Are you making fact fit a pet theory?

 

[ECS]

...
Thomas J. Beale was a real individual, just as he is described in the pamphlet, and his association with the names and histories referenced above was both of a direct and indirect capacity. Santa Fe, Saint Louis, Richmond, Lynchburg, Bedford, all of these referenced locations likewise playing pivotal roles in these various histories.
"The flame is worth the candle"...is also at the very core of the story which will be explained later.
In fact, just about every detail offered in the narration was offered with a decided significance, this even including all of the referenced dates.
The truth behind the Beale Papers is both explosive and extremely accurate which is why the author removed himself from the publication, this author residing in Richmond and having first hand knowledge and undeniable evidence of all that he narrated in the required illusive manner.
Nearly every detail in the presented summation is backed by documents and letters that were found in the Library of Congress...

So far, you have not produced anything of merit to substantiate these claims- this so names end game in NOT worth the candle.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Yes there were European immigrants who lived in that area of Richmond during the early 1800's, and anyone can easily find out on the web, the mass influx of freedmen of color began during Reconstruction in the 1870's.
Are you making fact fit a pet theory?

Did Jackson Ward for "Freedmen" (Richmond) start in 1872, then...? LOC "on-line" has info. then...?

 

[bigscoop]

Did Jackson Ward for "Freedmen" (Richmond) start in 1872, then...? LOC "on-line" has info. then...?

This should be interesting, can't wait to hear ECS accurately explain all of this. But before he does, he might want to consider how thirty men (the party) knew so much about Robert Morriss when, as Beale explains it in his letter, "men you have never seen and names you have never heard." And yet, they all knew so much about Morriss, so much so that they chose him over others and allowed Beale to visit with Morriss so he could judge for himself. Morriss, on the other hand, ends up knowing where the men accompanying Beale lived,.......how would all of this be possible if none of these men had actually met before? And yet it was possible......

 

[ECS]

Why don't you tell us all, since the premise of THIS theory is that there is a hidden secret behind the fictional story contained in the Beale Papers, in an "illusive manner".
While you are at it, please explain the connection of 1884 Richmond Alderman Thomas J Beale, born 1827 as a freeman of color to Santa Fe and St Louis mentioned in your first post on this thread.

 

[ECS]

Did Jackson Ward for "Freedmen" (Richmond) start in 1872, then...? LOC "on-line" has info. then...?

Jackson Ward Historic District
Take notice of the second paragraph.