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[TN_Guest1523]

You guy still sharpening you swords over on this thread . I think this to be chasing Rabbits on this topic, sorry just my opinion .

 

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[ECS]

... If you want to rewrite the dictionary, assume that free people of color had to be African, etc., etc., etc., then so be it. By all means, keep doing your own thing. Whatever floats your boat...

Bigscoop, please share with all where "free people of color" is mentioned or referenced in the 1885 Beale Papers.
My boat is still afloat, but sadly, yours have several holes, and is going down fast.

 

[ECS]

... I think this to be chasing Rabbits on this topic, sorry just my opinion .

As if you haven't been down the rabbit hole a time or two.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

As if you haven't been down the rabbit hole a time or two.

I don't follow them into the brier patch after the rabbit hole exit Bro ! You are a guy right ?

 

[bigscoop]

Jean, "if" you had any experience at all in ciphers you would fully understand why the odds are so great in games such as the powerball, now then, how many numbers are in your ciphers x 26, and this is only if each code is indeed a letter. You do the math on all of this and you'll fully understand why you could pick just about any random text off of the shelf and given enough time you can make it work. This isn't speculation, "Bro", this is cold hard fact.

ECS, you can either accept the author's use of the American language as it is presented or you can morph what he has told you into meaning Grandpa Risque's fabulous library. Clearly the author has told you that TJB maintained a dark and swarthy complexion = "natural skin tone".....and the only way this condition can exist is through the mixing of genes. This is another fact.

But none of this matters as you are all free to chase whatever you desire to chase however you desire to chase it.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Jean, "if" you had any experience at all in ciphers you would fully understand why the odds are so great in games such as the powerball, now then, how many numbers are in your ciphers x 26, and this is only if each code is indeed a letter. You do the math on all of this and you'll fully understand why you could pick just about any random text off of the shelf and given enough time you can make it work. This isn't speculation, "Bro", this is cold hard fact.

ECS, you can either accept the author's use of the American language as it is presented or you can morph what he has told you into meaning Grandpa Risque's fabulous library. Clearly the author has told you that TJB maintained a dark and swarthy complexion = "natural skin tone".....and the only way this condition can exist is through the mixing of genes. This is another fact.

But none of this matters as you are all free to chase whatever you desire to chase however you desire to chase it.

His form was symmetrical, and gave evidence of unusual strength and activity; but his distinguishing feature was a dark and swarthy complexion, as if much exposure to the sun and weather had thoroughly tanned and discolored him;

"In person, he was about six feet in height, with jet black eyes and hair of the same color, worn longer than was the style at that time.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

His form was symmetrical, and gave evidence of unusual strength and activity; but his distinguishing feature was a dark and swarthy complexion, as if much exposure to the sun and weather had thoroughly tanned and discolored him;

"In person, he was about six feet in height, with jet black eyes and hair of the same color, worn longer than was the style at that time.



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They all appeared to be gentlemen, well born, and well educated, with refined and courteous manners and with a free and independent air, which rendered then peculiarly attractive. After remaining a week or ten days, the two left, after expressions of satisfaction with their visit. Beale, who remained, soon became a favored and popular guest; his social disposition and friendly demeanor rendered him extremely popular with every one, particularly the ladies, and a pleasant and friendly intercourse was quickly established between them.

 

[ECS]

... I'm sure "the dog" makes up a fair amount of the 5336 views that this thread has already generated and that he's using a lot of these replies to make certain that he has all of his ducks in a row... I really don't care sense this isn't even my theory - I was just asked to put some of it out here...

So you are playing Ward for the theory's "unknown" author.
As for all the views, is it the repartee or the undocumented theory that brings them back?

 

[bigscoop]

I guess you'll just have to wait and see.

 

[ECS]

...

ECS,... Clearly the author has told you that TJB maintained a dark and swarthy complexion = "natural skin tone".....and the only way this condition can exist is through the mixing of genes...

Bigscoop, there were other terms in use during the Beale Papers timeline for the "mixing of genes" as you put it.
The author clearly stated that Beale's complexion was caused by "EXPOSURE TO THE SUN AND WEATHER".
This description augments the story of all the time Beale spent in the Southwest, exposed to the elements of nature.

 

[bigscoop]

Bigscoop, there were other terms in use during the Beale Papers timeline for the "mixing of genes" as you put it.
The author clearly stated that Beale's complexion was caused by "EXPOSURE TO THE SUN AND WEATHER".
This description augments the story of all the time Beale spent in the Southwest, exposed to the elements of nature.

....Keep trying to rewrite the dictionary. Like Jean, this is where you fail, my friend, for your author was obviously intelligent and a student of the American language and pen. If he had wanted to make such claim he would having written; "from much exposure to the sun and weather", but this would have produced inaccurate statement, and so, he clearly manages his accurate description with, "as if"....this then illustrating accurate description of the man's complexion, or by definition, the man's natural skin tone. The definitions for complexion and swarthy have not changed through time. Do you really think your author so uneducated in all of this? This is also why you have yet to locate a Thomas J. Beale, the false pretense that such an educated man just has to be white.

 

[ECS]

...and you, my friend, are accepting a theory based only on the word "swarthy".

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Beal Name Meaning
English (of Norman origin): from Old French bel(e) ‘fair’, ‘lovely’ (see Beau), either a nickname for a handsome man or a metronymic from this word used as a female personal name.English: habitational name from places so named in Northumberland and West Yorkshire. The former of these (Behil in early records) comes from Old English beo ‘bee’ + hyll ‘hill’; the latter (Begale in Domesday Book) is from Old English beag ‘ring’, here probably used in the sense ‘river bend’, or an unattested personal name Beaga derived from this word + halh ‘nook’, ‘recess’.French (Béal): topographic name for someone who lived by a mill race, from the Lyonnaise dialect term béal, bezale, bedale (of Gaulish origin).Americanized spelling of German Biehl or Bühl (see Buehl).

 

[ECS]

... This is also why you have yet to locate a Thomas J. Beale, the false pretense that such an educated man just has to be white.

You forgot that I am not looking for a Thomas Beale, because the names and events in the Beale Papers were incorporated into a work of fiction.
Very similar to this theory concerning Alderman Beale- a creation of fiction from an original work of fiction.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Beal Name Meaning
English (of Norman origin): from Old French bel(e) ‘fair’, ‘lovely’ (see Beau), either a nickname for a handsome man or a metronymic from this word used as a female personal name.English: habitational name from places so named in Northumberland and West Yorkshire. The former of these (Behil in early records) comes from Old English beo ‘bee’ + hyll ‘hill’; the latter (Begale in Domesday Book) is from Old English beag ‘ring’, here probably used in the sense ‘river bend’, or an unattested personal name Beaga derived from this word + halh ‘nook’, ‘recess’.French (Béal): topographic name for someone who lived by a mill race, from the Lyonnaise dialect term béal, bezale, bedale (of Gaulish origin).Americanized spelling of German Biehl or Bühl (see Buehl).

The other objection that Ben Franklin had to German immigrants was their "swarthy complexion", which was an affront to the "purely white people" who originally settled America:

 

[TN_Guest1523]

The other objection that Ben Franklin had to German immigrants was their "swarthy complexion", which was an affront to the "purely white people" who originally settled America:

And that concludes the Dog and Pony Show Bro .

 

[bigscoop]

You forgot that I am not looking for a Thomas Beale, because the names and events in the Beale Papers were incorporated into a work of fiction.

No....I don't forget at all that this is what you desire to believe, quite the opposite, I assure you.

Your author first narrates his presence in 1862, this being some 40 years past the described events of 1817-1822 and some 23 years prior to the pamphlet's publication. This understanding is what you're still missing. When do you recognize Jackson Ward and reconstruction, etc.

 

[bigscoop]

And that concludes the Dog and Pony Show Bro .

Thanks for the additional support! Exactly!

 

[bigscoop]

The other objection that Ben Franklin had to German immigrants was their "swarthy complexion", which was an affront to the "purely white people" who originally settled America:

Perhaps your "dog and pony show" isn't aware that "affront" in this statement carries the definition of "insult" which is to say that if Franklin were to make this statement today it would make him something of a white supremacist.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

....Keep trying to rewrite the dictionary. Like Jean, this is where you fail, my friend, for your author was obviously intelligent and a student of the American language and pen. If he had wanted to make such claim he would having written; "from much exposure to the sun and weather", but this would have produced inaccurate statement, and so, he clearly manages his accurate description with, "as if"....this then illustrating accurate description of the man's complexion, or by definition, the man's natural skin tone. The definitions for complexion and swarthy have not changed through time. Do you really think your author so uneducated in all of this? This is also why you have yet to locate a Thomas J. Beale, the false pretense that such an educated man just has to be white.

Define "educated man"...