Is the Pit Mine really the Lost Dutchman mine?

[sgtfda]

Homar after looking at Dutchman ore I've concluded it did not come from the Superstitions. However the dark copper color of Superstition gold is from the silver content not copper. Gold from both the east and west side of the mountain is the same with pretty much the same gold and silver content. It's my opinion The candle box gold was gold he saved from other sites he prospected over the years. The gold in the matchbox looks like the gold in Corbin's ring

 

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[OldManOfTheRiver]

The 5 mile thing is just Bicknell bull. He wanted to keep everyone out of his search area. The gold is on the eastern and western side of the mountain. His area was on the eastern side.

Frank, Hope you guys are having nice weather out there. I reckon the canyons are flowing by now considering all the rain. Hope they slow down some. I'd like to invite ya for a burger next week at the Flats.

I am having a hard time understanding I this: "The gold is on the eastern side and the western side of the mountains". I feel that the Pit is too far east to be the LDM but hell who knows. I know this map can fit at least three places. Perhaps more. Can we accept that this map was drawn by Mr. Waltz or is this too, a fake?

 

[azdave35]

Frank, Hope you guys are having nice weather out there. I reckon the canyons are flowing by now considering all the rain. Hope they slow down some. I'd like to invite ya for a burger next week at the Flats.

I am having a hard time understanding I this: "The gold is on the eastern side and the western side of the mountains". I feel that the Pit is too far east to be the LDM but hell who knows. I know this map can fit at least three places. Perhaps more. Can we accept that this map was drawn by Mr. Waltz or is this too, a fake?

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read feldman's book .."crooked mountain" and you will have a better idea of what's going on over on the east side of the mountain

 

[sgtfda]

Frank, Hope you guys are having nice weather out there. I reckon the canyons are flowing by now considering all the rain. Hope they slow down some. I'd like to invite ya for a burger next week at the Flats.

I am having a hard time understanding I this: "The gold is on the eastern side and the western side of the mountains". I feel that the Pit is too far east to be the LDM but hell who knows. I know this map can fit at least three places. Perhaps more. Can we accept that this map was drawn by Mr. Waltz or is this too, a fake?

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Drove out to Dons Camp and Wards Cabin yesterday. Wayne filmed a video on how to get to Dons Camp for the event Nov 2-3-4. No issues. Road was a little damp from the rain the previous night. No running washes. The Pitt mine is in the right area if you want to find gold. Nothing in the volcano. Look in the Goldfield area or north of Queen valley. Or gold in Gold Canyon If you want small stuff. All the stuff that came after Waltz death is suspect in my opinion. Wayne on the hand believes most of it. Makes for a good debate. Come out to Dons Camp and look me up. The road is in great shape It's a fun weekend and I'll be camping for the weekend

 

[coazon de oro]

I can say the gold from the Pitt Mine has some copper content just like all the other Superstition gold ive seen from both sides of the mountain. The gold from the west side had a noticeable content. I suspect the match box ore did not come from the mountain. Like all prospectors im sure Waltz saved gold from different areas.

Howdy Frank,

This is the post I used, where you say the Pitt mine ore has too much copper to be Dutchman ore.

Homar

 

[PotBelly Jim]

read feldman's book .."crooked mountain" and you will have a better idea of what's going on over on the east side of the mountain

Agree...one can get a pretty fair look at that view of Weaver's Needle from the ridge over the pit mine...Ron goes out of his way to explain every little detail about that area, without calling it the pit mine...have to read a bit between the lines, but it will be obvious what he's talking about...

Dusty, there's been a lot of talk on this forum about buying books, and then also not being able to see the picture of the coloring book horse...the people that write those books do a lot of research, which costs untold money...the way I look at buying the books, it's the least I can do to recompense folks in some small way for sharing their research...personally, I'm glad they take the time and go out of their way to share all that hard work, whether it be a book or videos like Wayne and Frank do...it's all the same...

And keep in mind what Frank said about Bicknell throwing people off the real search area, it's true...Bick was searching Angel Springs, with some other local guys...it's also documented prior to the 1895 article that makes everyone think the mine is within 5 miles of Weaver's Needle...

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

Drove out to Dons Camp and Wards Cabin yesterday. Wayne filmed a video on how to get to Dons Camp for the event Nov 2-3-4. No issues. Road was a little damp from the rain the previous night. No running washes. The Pitt mine is in the right area if you want to find gold. Nothing in the volcano. Look in the Goldfield area or north of Queen valley. Or gold in Gold Canyon If you want small stuff. All the stuff that came after Waltz death is suspect in my opinion. Wayne on the hand believes most of it. Makes for a good debate. Come out to Dons Camp and look me up. The road is in great shape It's a fun weekend and I'll be camping for the weekend

We'll be there next Thursday and Friday. Bringing the boys and the GF. You know where I am going. I will drive out if the rental car will make and will try to find ya. Btw, look here.

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Hope some of y'all will be around next week. I had planned this trip before we knew when the rendezvous was occurring. I am so stoked. Thanks Frank.

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

It probably is Jim, I just am gonna where my heart is pulling me this time. I will duly report. All the gear came in so feeling pretty good about life and maybe having water in the canyon. My dad and I were talking last night at his birthday party and it's for sure pretty much everyone was throwing people off on purpose. Selling 5 dollar maps in the late 1800's had to be lucrative. Maybe moreso than the books!

-Dusty

 

[sgtfda]

Homar. I did think that. After a assay I was surprised to find it was not copper but silver content. 20% silver. 79% gold

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

Agree...one can get a pretty fair look at that view of Weaver's Needle from the ridge over the pit mine...Ron goes out of his way to explain every little detail about that area, without calling it the pit mine...have to read a bit between the lines, but it will be obvious what he's talking about...

Dusty, there's been a lot of talk on this forum about buying books, and then also not being able to see the picture of the coloring book horse...the people that write those books do a lot of research, which costs untold money...the way I look at buying the books, it's the least I can do to recompense folks in some small way for sharing their research...personally, I'm glad they take the time and go out of their way to share all that hard work, whether it be a book or videos like Wayne and Frank do...it's all the same...

And keep in mind what Frank said about Bicknell throwing people off the real search area, it's true...Bick was searching Angel Springs, with some other local guys...it's also documented prior to the 1895 article that makes everyone think the mine is within 5 miles of Weaver's Needle...

My mac is throwing a tantrum so I hope this isn't a double post Jim. Totally agree was talking to dad at his birthday party last night just about this very thing. I think everyone was trying to throw people off and selling maps in the late 1800's had to be more lucrative than books even. Five dollars was a lot of money back then!

-Dusty

 

[coazon de oro]

Agree...one can get a pretty fair look at that view of Weaver's Needle from the ridge over the pit mine...Ron goes out of his way to explain every little detail about that area, without calling it the pit mine...have to read a bit between the lines, but it will be obvious what he's talking about...

Dusty, there's been a lot of talk on this forum about buying books, and then also not being able to see the picture of the coloring book horse...the people that write those books do a lot of research, which costs untold money...the way I look at buying the books, it's the least I can do to recompense folks in some small way for sharing their research...personally, I'm glad they take the time and go out of their way to share all that hard work, whether it be a book or videos like Wayne and Frank do...it's all the same...

And keep in mind what Frank said about Bicknell throwing people off the real search area, it's true...Bick was searching Angel Springs, with some other local guys...it's also documented prior to the 1895 article that makes everyone think the mine is within 5 miles of Weaver's Needle...

Howdy Jim,

The problem with the view of Weaver's Needle from the Pit Mine, is that on Waltz's drawing, the high side of Weaver's Needle is on the left while looking at it from the Pit Mine, the high side is on the right. The other problem is the it is not a Dutchman clue, David Leach made that clue up. It was David who assumed Waltz drawing was what could be seen from his mine. It was he who started to call it the gunsight clue. Waltz never said that, but still it does not fit, it is miles away on the opposite side.

Homar

 

[coazon de oro]

To add to it, Waltz said he had to climb up aways to see the tip of the needle to the South.

 

[Al D]

To add to it, Waltz said he had to climb up aways to see the tip of the needle to the South.

Or ...from the South........

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

Howdy Jim,

The problem with the view of Weaver's Needle from the Pit Mine, is that on Waltz's drawing, the high side of Weaver's Needle is on the left while looking at it from the Pit Mine, the high side is on the right. The other problem is the it is not a Dutchman clue, David Leach made that clue up. It was David who assumed Waltz drawing was what could be seen from his mine. It was he who started to call it the gunsight clue. Waltz never said that, but still it does not fit, it is miles away on the opposite side.

Homar

Exactly. Check my images above sir. That's why the Pit don't fit!

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

From the South. Trick in the trail was go north then turn back south then see the Needle to the south. IIRC.

 

[azdave35]

Howdy Jim,

The problem with the view of Weaver's Needle from the Pit Mine, is that on Waltz's drawing, the high side of Weaver's Needle is on the left while looking at it from the Pit Mine, the high side is on the right. The other problem is the it is not a Dutchman clue, David Leach made that clue up. It was David who assumed Waltz drawing was what could be seen from his mine. It was he who started to call it the gunsight clue. Waltz never said that, but still it does not fit, it is miles away on the opposite side.

Homar

dave leach never posts here but he does check in from time to time...what gives you the idea dave made the clue up?......and another thing...what makes you so sure waltz even said that..nobody really knows what he said

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

dave leach never posts here but he does check in from time to time...what gives you the idea dave made the clue up?......and another thing...what makes you so sure waltz even said that..nobody really knows what he said

He drew it, and said it. Depends on who you believe. Right?

 

[coazon de oro]

dave leach never posts here but he does check in from time to time...what gives you the idea dave made the clue up?......and another thing...what makes you so sure waltz even said that..nobody really knows what he said

David took the picture, and labeled it as the gun sight clue. One of Waltz's more popular clue was that from his mine you could see the Four Peaks mountain looking like one peak, and that you had to climb to see the needle to the south.

 

[OldManOfTheRiver]

David took the picture, and labeled it as the gun sight clue. One of Waltz's more popular clue was that from his mine you could see the Four Peaks mountain looking like one peak, and that you had to climb to see the needle to the south.

From where the mine is you do and it's a high narrow ravine to the get there. Also in the random comment dept, Vereda in Portuguese is 'sidewalk'. Last time I checked it was narrow trail to the mine almost non-existent trail. Sidewalks aren't wide.

Four Peaks line up too. I posted that before but can again. I just know where I am going man. Hate to overtake this thread. Too excited and floored at the fact that I am finally headed that way after 7 years on here reading and going through so much personally. And to take my kids. I am gonna tell you God and life are so good. So beautiful and it all comes full circle!

(okay last post) Sorry everyone. <3

 

[azdave35]

David took the picture, and labeled it as the gun sight clue. One of Waltz's more popular clue was that from his mine you could see the Four Peaks mountain looking like one peak, and that you had to climb to see the needle to the south.

were you there when waltz said that clue?