DOC NOSS-Victorio Peak OR The Caballo Mountains

I am really hoping my step-Mother can come up with some satellite date from her NASA contacts as well! If there really were the number of bars in VP, or in many Caballo locations, it would require a considerable effort to get that kind of weight to those sites. I want to try to track the roads/paths they used. Even if erosion and time has faded them, they should be discernible due to the cart wheels compacting the earth under great weight. Even if pack animals were used, there might still be some signs left behind.
 

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The more I think about it, the more I think satellite archeology may present us with some additional evidence. And if I see something interesting on those scans, I can then go do my own scans with my UAV after I get it in the air this coming spring.
 

Don Jose, if those images show a road straight to tayopa from VP, I will owe you a steak dinner!
 

nah, they only show one method to enter Tayopa from the place where the mule driver supposedly blew the cow horn listening for echos in F Dobies' version, 'Apache Gold and Yaqui Silver'..

Wish I wasn't so damn honest, I just lost a steak dinner.
 

Egyipian's had the man power and back in them days I'm sure they had very few American Indians to deal with .
They new rocks well and I'm sure they would use there know how to cover up evidence of there work .
 

UncleMatt said:
I am really hoping my step-Mother can come up with some satellite date from her NASA contacts as well! If there really were the number of bars in VP, or in many Caballo locations, it would require a considerable effort to get that kind of weight to those sites. I want to try to track the roads/paths they used. Even if erosion and time has faded them, they should be discernible due to the cart wheels compacting the earth under great weight. Even if pack animals were used, there might still be some signs left behind.
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Infrared is quite handy.

How are you going to filter out the numerous disturbances left not only by all the work done in and around the basin, but also by the ranchers, livestock and game coming into the springs from outlying areas, all of which also tend to find the most efficient routes?
 

There were numerous disturbances in Egyptian deserts as well, and yet they were still able to identify old roads and trade routes simply because they didn't follow modern routes.
 

Mat, use aerial photographs, 'not' sat. Sat maps are flat while aerial maps have depth, and are in stereoscopic visiion by using a viewer.. They come in sets of two for sterio viewing (single if wished )
 

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I don't discriminate, I would be happy with either satellite OR aerial infrared imaging. The real issue is the resolution of the infrared scan, whether its satellite or aerial you are talking about. If its too low, it simply can't detect or illustrate objects as small as roads or heavily traveled routes.

If anyone knows of a good source of high resolution infrared imaging of southern New Mexico, Colorado, and Arizona, let me know.
 

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Okay, now point me to where I can buy those in high resolution of the areas we have an interest in....

Don't forget, these images need to be created using long wavelength infrared, not near infrared, multispectral, or short wavelength infrared. We want to be measuring the actual thermal energy being radiated from the earth's surface.
 

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nah no thermal imaging. That process has shown to be very marginal on deeply buried objects, just plain old black & white to search for trails, but it has shown promise to show impacted earth from old heavily traveled areas.

Try the search engine or any gov't map agency, - Library of congress - but specify if they have the old photographs --- circa Doc and Willie.

Check the Airfields in Santa FE etc for aerial photograph service and ask then where to get OLD photograpghs
 

I'm not looking for deeply buried objects, I'm looking for old trails and roads. LWIR is what they have used in the past to discover those sorts of things, so I'm sticking with that.

I have searched USGS and the other government sites, but they aren't making available to the public what I am after. That is why I was asking if you knew of a source, because I haven't been able to find one.
 

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