DOC NOSS-Victorio Peak OR The Caballo Mountains

[gollum]

SDCFIA,

I don't think the majority of people believe that VP never contained any treasure. It is a question asked in this thread, and it is a very valid question. Were the shiny bars Nazi Loot? Were they from Maximillian's Wealth? Were they from the Mexican Revolution? Unless someone associated with their recovery that has seen them first hand is found or comes forward, we will never know.

Matt,

I will ask and see about getting a better copy.

Also, a great mistake that is made by many treasure hunters is that they think they know where a cave or treasure is, so they locate a claim on a piece of land. There is a HUGE problem with that. A Located Claim is STRICTLY for mining of unrefined and unprocessed minerals and metals. In order to secure rights to minerals and metals already mined, processed, and hidden, one would have to obtain a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT to explore. THAT process is much more lengthy and costly, and many more hoops have to be jumped through. If someone has a mining claim on a particular piece of land, and you come along and find the cave entrance, and a pile of bars, then you file for and are approved for a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT, then the mining claimholder has ZERO rights to what you found.

Now, that's the way the law reads. In the mountains, you will probably have a gunfight on your hands. HAHAHA

Mike

 

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[Oroblanco]

SDCFIA,

I don't think the majority of people believe that VP never contained any treasure. It is a question asked in this thread, and it is a very valid question. Were the shiny bars Nazi Loot? Were they from Maximillian's Wealth? Were they from the Mexican Revolution? Unless someone associated with their recovery that has seen them first hand is found or comes forward, we will never know.

Matt,

I will ask and see about getting a better copy.

Also, a great mistake that is made by many treasure hunters is that they think they know where a cave or treasure is, so they locate a claim on a piece of land. There is a HUGE problem with that. A Located Claim is STRICTLY for mining of unrefined and unprocessed minerals and metals. In order to secure rights to minerals and metals already mined, processed, and hidden, one would have to obtain a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT to explore. THAT process is much more lengthy and costly, and many more hoops have to be jumped through. If someone has a mining claim on a particular piece of land, and you come along and find the cave entrance, and a pile of bars, then you file for and are approved for a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT, then the mining claimholder has ZERO rights to what you found.

Now, that's the way the law reads. In the mountains, you will probably have a gunfight on your hands. HAHAHA

Mike

Great post Mike! Side point here but the two legal processes get very fuzzy when it comes to a stash of ORE that is not smelted or refined - a mining lawyer informed me that would not be covered under a Treasure Trove permit as it is not treasure under the legal definition, yet would a mining claim cover it, if the ore is not in place, but on land that the ore did not come from? Even the attorney could not answer that one but said that a mining claim would PROBABLY cover such a discovery, while a Treasure Trove permit would certainly not.

I wonder why some of our treasure hunters whom are "only interested in the history" and have NO interest in the dollar value, are not focusing their attention on this treasure? It is almost certainly all gone, yet the history behind it would certainly be worth retrieving and preserving for the public, no?

Please do continue,
Oroblanco

 

[gollum]

Great post Mike! Side point here but the two legal processes get very fuzzy when it comes to a stash of ORE that is not smelted or refined - a mining lawyer informed me that would not be covered under a Treasure Trove permit as it is not treasure under the legal definition, yet would a mining claim cover it, if the ore is not in place, but on land that the ore did not come from? Even the attorney could not answer that one but said that a mining claim would PROBABLY cover such a discovery, while a Treasure Trove permit would certainly not.

I wonder why some of our treasure hunters whom are "only interested in the history" and have NO interest in the dollar value, are not focusing their attention on this treasure? It is almost certainly all gone, yet the history behind it would certainly be worth retrieving and preserving for the public, no?

Please do continue,
Oroblanco

Not really that fuzzy. The key word is PROCESSED. If your treasure is in the form of DORE BAR, REFINED INGOT, or COIN, it is TREASURE TROVE. Even if it is a sack of raw ore in a cave far from its source, it would still LEGALLY be considered mined product, and subject to mining claim. Usually, if there are sacks of ore, they are in the presence of dore or refined bars.

TREASURE TROVE LAW

Mike

 

[sdcfia]

SDCFIA,

I don't think the majority of people believe that VP never contained any treasure. It is a question asked in this thread, and it is a very valid question. Were the shiny bars Nazi Loot? Were they from Maximillian's Wealth? Were they from the Mexican Revolution? Unless someone associated with their recovery that has seen them first hand is found or comes forward, we will never know.

Matt,

I will ask and see about getting a better copy.

Also, a great mistake that is made by many treasure hunters is that they think they know where a cave or treasure is, so they locate a claim on a piece of land. There is a HUGE problem with that. A Located Claim is STRICTLY for mining of unrefined and unprocessed minerals and metals. In order to secure rights to minerals and metals already mined, processed, and hidden, one would have to obtain a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT to explore. THAT process is much more lengthy and costly, and many more hoops have to be jumped through. If someone has a mining claim on a particular piece of land, and you come along and find the cave entrance, and a pile of bars, then you file for and are approved for a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT, then the mining claimholder has ZERO rights to what you found.

Now, that's the way the law reads. In the mountains, you will probably have a gunfight on your hands. HAHAHA

Mike

I know what most folks think. It's doubtful we'll ever know the government's involvement, which I feel, as you know, was using VP caves to hide their WWII plunder. Thanks in advance for asking about a better scan of the map. If it could be determined that the original was of suitable provenance to have been recovered along with other "old" Caballo relics, I would likely reconsider my opinion.

What you've posted is of course the truth about mining claims, but that's not the mindset with much of the Caballo crowd. Many of them feel that the claims are a de facto license to control any and all mineral-related activity on their 20 acre multiples, including recovery of hidden bullion if they were to be so fortunate. They use the claim to keep people off their target territory, a strategy that works well in the Caballos. While there is an increasing cost in holding a claim, it's essentially a paperwork thing. There has been scant actual mining done on that mountain for decades, but plenty of "mineral exploration" - translated as "looking for caches." If one is ever found, the sober ones will be smart enough to quietly remove it and keep their mouths shut. Even the honest treasure hunters would think filing a Treasure Trove claim would be their absolute last option, not their first.

 

[UncleMatt]

While Mike is 100% correct about the permit aspect, sdcfia is also correct with regard to the mindset of many claim holders.

If I show up on your claim with my shovel and pick, and let you know I'm not digging for ore, but dore bars, the reaction will probably be the same as if I had said I was searching for ore. Many people simply lack the ability to understand the nuances involved, but probably still know how to load a gun...

 

[UncleMatt]

Okay, I gotta ask, why would you need to use caverns in VP to hide gold? Does that really make any sense? Why not hide it in a way you could keep a constant eye on it under lock and key? Why introduce the security nightmare of placing it in remote caverns where treasure has been rumored to exist for decades? I know it sounds romantic and feeds several different treasure tales to think that might have gone down, but in my humble opinion, there is zero chance the US government placed gold under VP for "safe keeping".

 

[gollum]

I know what most folks think. It's doubtful we'll ever know the government's involvement, which I feel, as you know, was using VP caves to hide their WWII plunder. Thanks in advance for asking about a better scan of the map. If it could be determined that the original was of suitable provenance to have been recovered along with other "old" Caballo relics, I would likely reconsider my opinion.

What you've posted is of course the truth about mining claims, but that's not the mindset with much of the Caballo crowd. Many of them feel that the claims are a de facto license to control any and all mineral-related activity on their 20 acre multiples, including recovery of hidden bullion if they were to be so fortunate. They use the claim to keep people off their target territory, a strategy that works well in the Caballos. While there is an increasing cost in holding a claim, it's essentially a paperwork thing. There has been scant actual mining done on that mountain for decades, but plenty of "mineral exploration" - translated as "looking for caches." If one is ever found, the sober ones will be smart enough to quietly remove it and keep their mouths shut. Even the honest treasure hunters would think filing a Treasure Trove claim would be their absolute last option, not their first.

Agreed!

Like I said, that's the way the law looks at it. In the mountains, there would be a gunfight.

Hiding a large find would be EXCEEDINGLY difficult. Fifty or one hundred bars could be kept a secret. A find like Willie's Cave or VP (IMHO) could never be exploited without getting caught. Even Fred Drolte was watched trucking SOMETHING away from his hole in the middle of the night by a couple of different people. That was after he paid everybody working for him approximately $100,000 each, and told their services were no longer necessary. ESPECIALLY these days, you take a great risk by surreptitiously recovering a large treasure cache. Lets say you get busted with one hundred gold bars driving out of the San Andres Wilderness Preserve. You can't legally remove anything from there. You can't even legally BE there. You would lose ALL rights to whatever treasure you found. You would also be prosecuted for trespassing, and maybe even ARPA Violations if there were any "historically sensitive" items in the cave with your bullion. They would grab the truck you used, as well as getting warrants to search your home and take anything from it that would help them prove a case against you (read: all your research, computers, books, maps, etc).

IF you ever do make that once in a lifetime discovery, you have to do a serious COST/BENEFIT Risk Analysis before you start emptying out the cave. Is it small and secret enough to keep the recovery your secret and not get caught and lose everything (and possibly go to jail)? Is it too large to do on the sly, and getting about 15% of the total (after taxes) by doing it legally still worth it?

Mike

 

[johnmark29020]

SDCFIA,

I don't think the majority of people believe that VP never contained any treasure. It is a question asked in this thread, and it is a very valid question. Were the shiny bars Nazi Loot? Were they from Maximillian's Wealth? Were they from the Mexican Revolution? Unless someone associated with their recovery that has seen them first hand is found or comes forward, we will never know.

Matt,

I will ask and see about getting a better copy.

Also, a great mistake that is made by many treasure hunters is that they think they know where a cave or treasure is, so they locate a claim on a piece of land. There is a HUGE problem with that. A Located Claim is STRICTLY for mining of unrefined and unprocessed minerals and metals. In order to secure rights to minerals and metals already mined, processed, and hidden, one would have to obtain a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT to explore. THAT process is much more lengthy and costly, and many more hoops have to be jumped through. If someone has a mining claim on a particular piece of land, and you come along and find the cave entrance, and a pile of bars, then you file for and are approved for a TREASURE TROVE PERMIT, then the mining claimholder has ZERO rights to what you found.

Now, that's the way the law reads. In the mountains, you will probably have a gunfight on your hands. HAHAHA

Mike

I was told the other day. The gov. Owns the find. Even if you have a treasure trove. Tonto national Forrest said. Once I filed a treasure trove and proved it was valid. I had to give them the site to be inventoried. I would only get paid a percentage of the find. Also I couldn't be present at the removal,transport, or inventory process. Basically I or you have to take their word at content value.

 

[UncleMatt]

I agree Mike, and in a like manner it would be a logistical nightmare to move a huge hoard of gold to VP without being noticed, so the whole idea of WWII gold being stored at VP is a non-starter in my book. Too many reasons not to do so.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

John, never heard of a camera, both video and still , plus witnesses ?? However you do have your work cut for you, but It "Is not impossible".

Where there is a wiil there is a way, so keep on trying to solve the story of Victorio Peak and the Caballo,

so first hurdle, on which side of the caballo mts is the 'Rio del Norte' ( Rio Grande )?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Judy, are you suggesting that I don't have Tayopa,nor have a lil bit of Injun ( Mohican ) in me It was an excepioally cold and long winter - sides they say that she 'was' damn cute - he had just been run out of Canada and his land confiscated _Evangelist
Watch it

 

[Not Peralta]

All the caballo's taken up by mining claims, I am shocked,
Treasure tales are plentiful , actual treasures are few.
The Jesuits were and are a very Intelligent , Intuitive driven organization . When talking about the caballo's, History has proven that if you drop a few bread crumbs along the trail, the greed of man
will flock together,like birds, and to this day the caballo's has proven this. for as many that are trying to figure all of this out, so much is being over looked ,and ignored,
the Jesuits had the best intelligence agents in the world, and still do, the native peoples, the trail is very long, and so were some of the battles, some people look at what was recorded in oral history by the native people in certain areas about groups traveling over land, but what about traveling over water. so now with this, the mystery thickens, Amigo's .np

 

[gollum]

Tayoper, if anyone thinks like an Indian it's you, heheheh....

Who else would put up with me?

I can see it now:

""TAYOPA CASINO""
and resort​

Mike

 

[sdcfia]

Agreed!

Like I said, that's the way the law looks at it. In the mountains, there would be a gunfight.

Hiding a large find would be EXCEEDINGLY difficult. Fifty or one hundred bars could be kept a secret. A find like Willie's Cave or VP (IMHO) could never be exploited without getting caught. Even Fred Drolte was watched trucking SOMETHING away from his hole in the middle of the night by a couple of different people. That was after he paid everybody working for him approximately $100,000 each, and told their services were no longer necessary. ESPECIALLY these days, you take a great risk by surreptitiously recovering a large treasure cache. Lets say you get busted with one hundred gold bars driving out of the San Andres Wilderness Preserve. You can't legally remove anything from there. You can't even legally BE there. You would lose ALL rights to whatever treasure you found. You would also be prosecuted for trespassing, and maybe even ARPA Violations if there were any "historically sensitive" items in the cave with your bullion. They would grab the truck you used, as well as getting warrants to search your home and take anything from it that would help them prove a case against you (read: all your research, computers, books, maps, etc).

IF you ever do make that once in a lifetime discovery, you have to do a serious COST/BENEFIT Risk Analysis before you start emptying out the cave. Is it small and secret enough to keep the recovery your secret and not get caught and lose everything (and possibly go to jail)? Is it too large to do on the sly, and getting about 15% of the total (after taxes) by doing it legally still worth it?

Mike

We all think we know what we would do in future hypothetical situations, but we really don't. Your San Andres Wilderness Preserve posit is maybe not such a fair talking point, as it's a terrible logistic problem and its probable outcome is likely heavily skewed towards disaster to begin with. Seemingly, no matter what course of action you took, the deck is stacked heavily, and not in your favor.

Okay, instead, how about this more realistic hypothetical possibility: Mike acquires a very old-looking leather map at a flea market that caught his eye despite everyone else pushing it aside. Mike sees landmarks on it named in Spanish, weird symbols and a date of 1757. Intrigued, Mike finally determines that the map refers to a readily accessible, but little visited string of unimpressive mountains near the New Mexico-Arizona border, the Pelloncillos, just north of I-10 and used only by ranchers and rare historians interested in the Butterfield Trail. Most of the area is BLM land. Mike finds a nice private campsite in the area and starts exploring, taking lots of photos like a history geek would. On the second day, he finds a rock carving identical to one on his map. The map has a moon crescent next to the carving symbol. Mike climbs straight up the hill, toward the sky, and in a very remote obscure crevice sees a cave entrance. He squeezes in and finds 20 bars of 14 carat gold, 30 pounds each. At gross face value, that's $5,000,000. What does Mike do?

(I know, this is not a fair question for Mike specifically, but it might be something for folks who consider themselves treasure hunters to think about. What would you do if you found a cache of riches that would potentially set you up for life, if you kept a low profile? Mike is right - the risk/reward ratio is in play, and it would be up to each of us to figure out our own course of action.)

 

[UncleMatt]

Hypothetically speaking of course (grin,grin,nudge,nudge) After documenting the entire interior of the cave with photos, Mike takes 2 bars out of the hole in his nice oversize backpack, and covers the hole with nearby vegetation. Then its time for a panoramic set of photos and a GPS reading on ye olde smarte fone. Then he hauls the 2 bars to his Land Rover. Since you are Mike, this is no obstacle from a physical perspective. If he was sure he had not been seen, he leaves with the 2 bars to return later. Again, being Mike, you already know contacts and people who would like to buy such items, perhaps at multiples of their value in gold alone. So the two bars are quickly liquidated. One freelance helicopter pilot hire later plus one helicopter rental equals a night trip into the hills to recover the rest in one fell swoop. The remaining bars are also liquidated. Then Mike starts his own treasure hunting show on cable to launder the money. The end.

 

[UncleMatt]

NP, I didn't mean all of the Caballos Mountains were claimed, just the legendary areas of popular interest around granite peak and most of the rest of the western side.

 

[gollum]

I'll reserve the Jesuit Suite.........

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The "KINO SUITE" is a horse blanket on the floor in the cellar (but the Sachristy is beautifully adorned)!

Mike

 

[gollum]

We all think we know what we would do in future hypothetical situations, but we really don't. Your San Andres Wilderness Preserve posit is maybe not such a fair talking point, as it's a terrible logistic problem and its probable outcome is likely heavily skewed towards disaster to begin with. Seemingly, no matter what course of action you took, the deck is stacked heavily, and not in your favor.

Okay, instead, how about this more realistic hypothetical possibility: Mike acquires a very old-looking leather map at a flea market that caught his eye despite everyone else pushing it aside. Mike sees landmarks on it named in Spanish, weird symbols and a date of 1757. Intrigued, Mike finally determines that the map refers to a readily accessible, but little visited string of unimpressive mountains near the New Mexico-Arizona border, the Pelloncillos, just north of I-10 and used only by ranchers and rare historians interested in the Butterfield Trail. Most of the area is BLM land. Mike finds a nice private campsite in the area and starts exploring, taking lots of photos like a history geek would. On the second day, he finds a rock carving identical to one on his map. The map has a moon crescent next to the carving symbol. Mike climbs straight up the hill, toward the sky, and in a very remote obscure crevice sees a cave entrance. He squeezes in and finds 20 bars of 14 carat gold, 30 pounds each. At gross face value, that's $5,000,000. What does Mike do?

(I know, this is not a fair question for Mike specifically, but it might be something for folks who consider themselves treasure hunters to think about. What would you do if you found a cache of riches that would potentially set you up for life, if you kept a low profile? Mike is right - the risk/reward ratio is in play, and it would be up to each of us to figure out our own course of action.)

I will give you my dilemma, but won't swear which way I'd go. HAHAHA


Okay. I have explained this in another thread somewhere else, but I have a mathematical formulae that gives a fair approximation of what you will receive from a legal Treasure Trove Recovery:


First, you have to retain AN EXCELLENT attorney. Remember, even with signed agreements Mel Fisher had to fight about 112 lawsuits from every yahoo that said the only reason Fisher found the Atocha was because of information that person had given him. The State of Florida renegged on its deal with Fisher and tried to take everything. It took a Federal Court to rule that Florida had broken its side of their agreement and Fisher got it all. So, unless you currently have a great deal of money to keep a AN EXCELLENT attorney on retainer, you will have to give up a percentage. Lets say 15% (and that's cheap based on what they will have to do). Now, this EXCELLENT attorney is going to have to negotiate your TREASURE TROVE RECOVERY PERMIT with the GSA (General Svcs Admin) of the United States. The best you will ever hope to get is a 50/50 split with Uncle Obama taking his off the top. You will have to pay for all the recovery and security fees. You will have to pay an archaeologist to assess your site and make sure you aren't disturbing anything historically significant (this will take several months and cost many thousands of dollars). You will also have to come out of pocket for a reclamation bond. When you file your plan of action for the treasure trove permit, Uncle Obama determines how much you are going to disturb the area's natural beauty based on the equipment you plan on using and how much digging you will have to do. Now, when this hits the newspapers, your EXCELLENT attorney is going to have to fight off those leeches that are going to sue you because they all gave you the information you used to find your gold (that's why I say 15% is cheap).


Yours doesn't require a lot of excavation, so that saves a lot of cash.


Here's what you wind up with after:


50/50 Split with USA= $2.5 million
10% attorney = $2.25 million
Recovery $2000 = $1.91 million
Archy Ass. $10,000 = $1.81 million
Reclamation $10,000= $1.71 million
Security $350,000 = $1.36 million (figure two guards @ $20 hr each for a year due to Permit Negotiation and Archy Assessment Time during which the location of your cache is made public)
Incidentals $100,000= $1.26 million


CONGRATULATIONS! You are now in a new income tax bracket for this year!


Federal Income Tax (38%) = $781,000
Ca. State Tax (10%) = $702,900


So, after doing the right thing, your $5,000,000 treasure trove nets you about $702,000. Nothing to sneeze at, but a far cry from $5,000,000.


OR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DO I:


I know several people with LOTS of disposable income. If I want to unload a bunch of gold, I can do it all at once or a chunk at a time. Probably get spot or close for it. Depending on if I can fit into the crevice to recover the bars or if I have to dig out the surrounding area will help me determine how to recover. Am I the only person that knows about this discovery, or am I going to have to shut some people up? I could probably turn that gold into cash and only give up maybe 5%. Now I have about $4.25 million in cash sitting in my sock drawer! God forbid there's a fire or an attempted robbery, and the cops show up only to find my stash. Right away, I am either a drug dealer or a terrorist. If I tell the truth about where I got the money, I lose it all. Anyway, The money gets confiscated, and I have to retain AN EXCELLENT attorney to get my money back.


I want to do this alone for security and $$$ reasons:


*If I am caught removing the bars by bad folks with more guns than me= I lose everything and maybe my life.
*If I am spotted by the wrong people while recovering with no permit= I lose everything. Not only do I lose everything in the cache, but my truck is confiscated. My equipment is gone. Warrants for my home are issued, and years of research, computers, and equipment are taken to help prove their case against me for looting of historically significant artifacts (ARPA Violations). Not only do I lose all that, but I will likely go to jail because I can't afford that EXCELLENT attorney. I wind up with less than nothing of the $5,000,000 cache.


DO I take a safe $702,000, or take a HUGE RISK of losing everything (including maybe my freedom and/or life), and take about $4,800,000 in cash?


Heckuva dilemma? HUH?


Mike

 

[Crow]

I will give you my dilemma, but won't swear which way I'd go. HAHAHA


Okay. I have explained this in another thread somewhere else, but I have a mathematical formulae that gives a fair approximation of what you will receive from a legal Treasure Trove Recovery:


First, you have to retain AN EXCELLENT attorney. Remember, even with signed agreements Mel Fisher had to fight about 112 lawsuits from every yahoo that said the only reason Fisher found the Atocha was because of information that person had given him. The State of Florida renegged on its deal with Fisher and tried to take everything. It took a Federal Court to rule that Florida had broken its side of their agreement and Fisher got it all. So, unless you currently have a great deal of money to keep a AN EXCELLENT attorney on retainer, you will have to give up a percentage. Lets say 15% (and that's cheap based on what they will have to do). Now, this EXCELLENT attorney is going to have to negotiate your TREASURE TROVE RECOVERY PERMIT with the GSA (General Svcs Admin) of the United States. The best you will ever hope to get is a 50/50 split with Uncle Obama taking his off the top. You will have to pay for all the recovery and security fees. You will have to pay an archaeologist to assess your site and make sure you aren't disturbing anything historically significant (this will take several months and cost many thousands of dollars). You will also have to come out of pocket for a reclamation bond. When you file your plan of action for the treasure trove permit, Uncle Obama determines how much you are going to disturb the area's natural beauty based on the equipment you plan on using and how much digging you will have to do. Now, when this hits the newspapers, your EXCELLENT attorney is going to have to fight off those leeches that are going to sue you because they all gave you the information you used to find your gold (that's why I say 15% is cheap).


Yours doesn't require a lot of excavation, so that saves a lot of cash.


Here's what you wind up with after:


50/50 Split with USA= $2.5 million
10% attorney = $2.25 million
Recovery $2000 = $1.91 million
Archy Ass. $10,000 = $1.81 million
Reclamation $10,000= $1.71 million
Security $350,000 = $1.36 million (figure two guards @ $20 hr each for a year due to Permit Negotiation and Archy Assessment Time during which the location of your cache is made public)
Incidentals $100,000= $1.26 million


CONGRATULATIONS! You are now in a new income tax bracket for this year!


Federal Income Tax (38%) = $781,000
Ca. State Tax (10%) = $702,900


So, after doing the right thing, your $5,000,000 treasure trove nets you about $702,000. Nothing to sneeze at, but a far cry from $5,000,000.


OR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DO I:


I know several people with LOTS of disposable income. If I want to unload a bunch of gold, I can do it all at once or a chunk at a time. Probably get spot or close for it. Depending on if I can fit into the crevice to recover the bars or if I have to dig out the surrounding area will help me determine how to recover. Am I the only person that knows about this discovery, or am I going to have to shut some people up? I could probably turn that gold into cash and only give up maybe 5%. Now I have about $4.25 million in cash sitting in my sock drawer! God forbid there's a fire or an attempted robbery, and the cops show up only to find my stash. Right away, I am either a drug dealer or a terrorist. If I tell the truth about where I got the money, I lose it all. Anyway, The money gets confiscated, and I have to retain AN EXCELLENT attorney to get my money back.


I want to do this alone for security and $$$ reasons:


*If I am caught removing the bars by bad folks with more guns than me= I lose everything and maybe my life.
*If I am spotted by the wrong people while recovering with no permit= I lose everything. Not only do I lose everything in the cache, but my truck is confiscated. My equipment is gone. Warrants for my home are issued, and years of research, computers, and equipment are taken to help prove their case against me for looting of historically significant artifacts (ARPA Violations). Not only do I lose all that, but I will likely go to jail because I can't afford that EXCELLENT attorney. I wind up with less than nothing of the $5,000,000 cache.


DO I take a safe $702,000, or take a HUGE RISK of losing everything (including maybe my freedom and/or life), and take about $4,800,000 in cash?


Heckuva dilemma? HUH?


Mike

Excellent estimation of the situation. All most universal do please continue..

Crow

 

[UncleMatt]

I like my solution better