DOC NOSS-Victorio Peak OR The Caballo Mountains

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SDCFIA,

In just wondering about possibilities, I called the masonic Cemetery in Las Cruces. One has never HAD to be a Mason to be buried there. Just that if you are a Mason, your funeral is free. Doc was never known to have been a Mason, and judging from his behaviour, I doubt the masons would have wanted him as a member (unless they believed his story).

Since we have nothing solid as to the origins of The Caballo Treasure, I don't completely discount the possibility of a Templar Origin.

For me to give a theory some weight, I need to go on that tangent. So, lets go down that road for a moment:

When Philip IV had the Templars arrested in 1307 on Lucky Friday 13th, he didn't find the wealth that he knew they possessed (after all, he had borrowed heavily from them). Nobody knows where it went.

It was known that the Jesuits made entradas into Franciscan territories. The Franciscans made mention of it several times. So, lets say the Jesuits were looking for something. We don't know if they had a map and were looking for a marker, or if they had nothing but a story and were searching from scratch. Where could the Jesuits have gotten their map/information from? Well, the Jesuits were the Fathers Confessors of most of the members of the Royal families of Europe. Since it was Philip IV of France that had the Templars arrested and tortured, it is very possible that one of them had a map (or told a story) under torture about their treasure. The map/story may have been passed along until Father Charles LaRue came along in the early/mid1700s. Being a famous person (one of the greatest orators of the day and a Jesuit Priest), someone may have used the map/story to ingratiate themselves to him (or used the map/story as a means to get their child into a Jesuit School or Priesthood). LaRue may have passed the map/story along to Rome. From there, they may have sent different entradas to try and find the Templar Treasure under the guise of converting heathen Indians. As we all know how wild stories can get over many retellings, maybe the original story is that Father LaRue obtained the map/story from someone in the French Royal Family and it showed where a treasure was hidden, and it snowballed into Padre LaRue leading his flock into the Organs and mining tons of gold before being caught and killed by the Church.

Its just as plausible as anything else without any documentation.

Mike
 

gollum said:
SDCFIA,

In just wondering about possibilities, I called the masonic Cemetery in Las Cruces. One has never HAD to be a Mason to be buried there. Just that if you are a Mason, your funeral is free. Doc was never known to have been a Mason, and judging from his behaviour, I doubt the masons would have wanted him as a member (unless they believed his story).

Since we have nothing solid as to the origins of The Caballo Treasure, I don't completely discount the possibility of a Templar Origin.

For me to give a theory some weight, I need to go on that tangent. So, lets go down that road for a moment:

When Philip IV had the Templars arrested in 1307 on Lucky Friday 13th, he didn't find the wealth that he knew they possessed (after all, he had borrowed heavily from them). Nobody knows where it went.

It was known that the Jesuits made entradas into Franciscan territories. The Franciscans made mention of it several times. So, lets say the Jesuits were looking for something. We don't know if they had a map and were looking for a marker, or if they had nothing but a story and were searching from scratch. Where could the Jesuits have gotten their map/information from? Well, the Jesuits were the Fathers Confessors of most of the members of the Royal families of Europe. Since it was Philip IV of France that had the Templars arrested and tortured, it is very possible that one of them had a map (or told a story) under torture about their treasure. The map/story may have been passed along until Father Charles LaRue came along in the early/mid1700s. Being a famous person (one of the greatest orators of the day and a Jesuit Priest), someone may have used the map/story to ingratiate themselves to him (or used the map/story as a means to get their child into a Jesuit School or Priesthood). LaRue may have passed the map/story along to Rome. From there, they may have sent different entradas to try and find the Templar Treasure under the guise of converting heathen Indians. As we all know how wild stories can get over many retellings, maybe the original story is that Father LaRue obtained the map/story from someone in the French Royal Family and it showed where a treasure was hidden, and it snowballed into Padre LaRue leading his flock into the Organs and mining tons of gold before being caught and killed by the Church.

Its just as plausible as anything else without any documentation.

Mike
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Good post. The scenario you possibled is a good example of how treasure legends morph from true events into people-and-events stories that are perhaps more symbolic than factual, maybe by intent to cloud things. Your story is plausible - the European historical aspects are fairly well acceptable, at least in being a backdrop to the events you blue-skied. The outcome - obtaining information about gold hidden in North America - would hinge on a couple of possibilities that are obviously unknown except as more speculation: either the KT journeyed to the Caballos to cache treasure prior to 1307, or they journeyed there even earlier to retrieve part of an already ancient treasure, which they used to establish their power in Europe. To me, the second choice is obviously the most likely of the two, even though there could be others. Following this line of thought pushes the Caballo timeline back beyond what we can only guess about, but it does offer a conceivable explanation of where the maps might have come from that led to the Douthit/Noss events. Just figuring out a decent working model back to Friday the 13th would be a major accomplishment.
 

Howdy Compadre,

Geez, you don't have to tease us, we will buy your book when it gets published. :coffee2::coffee2:

It is a prophecy, "After the crow hatches the time will be right to uncover Tayopa" :dontknow:

Are those triangles a time marker, or a wall???? How long did it take you Compadre? Maybe if we had a couple years to study it? The bird may represent the parrots, the flowers Springtime? Are there crosses there, or would that be the cross of the church?

Seems like the shadow of the church cross points the place, but is it the sun's, or the moons? Is there a cross at the cerro del cura? When is the moon half white, and half red?

I know your answer to all my questions, "Buy the book":laughing7:.

Homar
 

SpringfieldWillieMap.jpg

This is supposedly one of the maps Noss was using to locate caches, unless someone wishes to suggest otherwise. If that is the case, maybe more attention should be put into deciphering it. I see both standard and non-standard characters repeated several times across the map, roman numerals, etc. I also see the rising sun in the east (east is the top of the map), and the sun setting in the west. Please post what you believe specific elements might represent.

For example, what do the characters mean that appear as pound signs with an upside down U joining the top pointing lines? Or the half circles with arrows pointing down from them?
 

Does the large downward pointing arrow to the left of what looks like a Roman numeral tally actually translate to the smaller downward arrow below and to the right? In other words, is it saying all THIS is hidden HERE? Perhaps the capped off pound sign represents dore bars...
 

You have Hebrew, Phoenician, Roman or Greek, and possibly a few Egyptian characters there among symbols that don't fit anywhere.. What are you going to do with them all? They would have to represent some symbols visible on the ground combined with some symbols that the map maker used. I think it's almost undecipherable unless you have a couple points on the map that are somewhat known. If you can figure out a couple , then you can figure the rest thru trial and error. Could take a couple years, since you would have to study many alphabets and languages. You need a symbol and language specialist, but there are none. I hear the ones that research this sort of stuff drink alot of high end wine and micro brews. Best of luck.
 

Glad to see you research stuff. But I and my spots are more than a 1000 miles away from Mexico. You can ask Red Desert about it all if you want. I spoke with him in pm's quite a bit. Maybe he thinks I am nuts for all I know, I can't say what he would say. I deleted it all for my own reasons. I have no idea what all these dowsers are capable of. So I choose "delete".
Enjoy your High end wine though. :)
You know Columbia Crest h3 Cab 2012 is a 92 pt wine you can get for 9-13 bucks. So you got something out this thread you can immediately use right now!
 

Also Judy, things are coded, even here. You misread it all. No one was accusing me of posting pictures of someone else's site. You should reread the thread, even with the deletes. Happy wine appreciation, you can find some good buys at your local Costco.
 

Howdy Quinoa,

In my honest opinion, if map dowsers were really capable, we would have no lost treasures. Why have none of these so called expert map dowsers located say the LDM for example. How many experts have failed over so many years?

Homar
 

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This is supposedly one of the maps Noss was using to locate caches, unless someone wishes to suggest otherwise. If that is the case, maybe more attention should be put into deciphering it. I see both standard and non-standard characters repeated several times across the map, roman numerals, etc. I also see the rising sun in the east (east is the top of the map), and the sun setting in the west. Please post what you believe specific elements might represent.

For example, what do the characters mean that appear as pound signs with an upside down U joining the top pointing lines? Or the half circles with arrows pointing down from them?
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Because the experts still to be silent , I will tell you some details of this map :

- This map has four (4) different maps attached on it .
- The rising sun is always the half sun .
- The setting sun has the Egyptian cross infront , which mean how is a east to west view .
- The symbols which were added with the other known in the treasure maps , are described at the left up corner .

These are some of the details on this map . This map and the green maps , describe the same region . The key to find this region is the lil map .
I hope these details wiil help a bit .
 

The part about the setting and rising sun occurred to me too, since the omega often signifies the end of something, in this case perhaps the end of the day (alpha and omega - beginning and end). If markmar's point is accurate, what section of the Rio Grande would we be looking at, if it is indeed the Rio Grande? Note there is also an omega at the bend shown in the river....

Perhaps we need to break this map into several parts and analyze each separately,before we can interpret the map as a whole.

Added later: oops, its not an omega its an ankh. So why is it associated with the sun that is above the horizon, and also pictured at the bend in the river?
 

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In Book I of the Gold House, they claim the Bloody Hands site, Hembrillo Basin, VP, the Caballos, etc, are all shown on this map. So if that is true, what is what then? We should circle and label each part of the map if that is an accurate claim.

The Roman numerals in the "tally area" (just my description) are from top to bottom 68, 17, 1019, 50117, and 90. The symbols next to the roman numerals ( hashtag, capped hashtag, and half circle with arrow) may indicate what is being noted by the roman numerals (just a guess)

What does the capped hashtag represent?
What does the plain hashtag represent?
what does the half circle with the arrow mean?

Also, we see several spirals on the map, some circling cw, and the others ccw. A T-net member posted a story about a Spanish rock map south of Cortez, CO that he claimed to have deciphered, and he felt the spirals told you where to begin and end the trail shown on the map...
 

UncleMatt said:
In Book I of the Gold House, they claim the Bloody Hands site, Hembrillo Basin, VP, the Caballos, etc, are all shown on this map. So if that is true, what is what then? We should circle and label each part of the map if that is an accurate claim.

The Roman numerals in the "tally area" (just my description) are from top to bottom 68, 17, 1019, 50117, and 90. The symbols next to the roman numerals ( hashtag, capped hashtag, and half circle with arrow) may indicate what is being noted by the roman numerals (just a guess)

What does the capped hashtag represent?
What does the plain hashtag represent?
what does the half circle with the arrow mean?

Also, we see several spirals on the map, some circling cw, and the others ccw. A T-net member posted a story about a Spanish rock map south of Cortez, CO that he claimed to have deciphered, and he felt the spirals told you where to begin and end the trail shown on the map...
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I believe the " 5017 " is 617 . The numbers are lengths and the region is not so large to includes all the regions from the book .
 

The number I posted above is 50117 though. And just stating opinion without justifying it really doesn't do anything. Why would one number mean another number? What is the underlying basis for such a claim?
 

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