DOC NOSS-Victorio Peak OR The Caballo Mountains

[Ditlihi]

There is a huge difference between posting information that is valid and just spewing delusional nonsense. We were always on our own to figure things out, nobody was going to post information here that led to treasure.

Au contraire.....some of the information found here has been priceless, to those who could recognize it. Wish we could say the same for your contributions. ( If we've always been on our own to figure things out...why do we need you to tell us what to think?)

Personally, my hat's off to the OP for a very informative, very interesting thread. They will be missed.

 

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[sdcfia]

Au contraire.....some of the information found here has been priceless, to those who could recognize it. Wish we could say the same for your contributions. ( If we've always been on our own to figure things out...why do we need you to tell us what to think?)

Personally, my hat's off to the OP for a very informative, very interesting thread. They will be missed.

Most of the posts on this thread have been disinformative, either intentionally or as a result of a poster's innocent gullibility. Some of the information has been interesting, deserving further thought. None that I recall has been priceless, except possibly for their entertainment value. Matt may be a little rigid at times, but he's a pragmatist. Allegations are one thing - facts are another. Don't become enamored with some of TNet's posters until you know them for yourself.

 

[UncleMatt]

Au contraire.....some of the information found here has been priceless, to those who could recognize it. Wish we could say the same for your contributions. ( If we've always been on our own to figure things out...why do we need you to tell us what to think?)

Personally, my hat's off to the OP for a very informative, very interesting thread. They will be missed.

I wasn't referring to the person who started this thread. And do tell, what treasure has been found by anyone due to something they read in this thread? I'm sure we would love to hear all about that. If you want to think negatively of me for not posting things I could not back up with facts, go right ahead. I will never be responsible for leading people astray.

 

[UncleMatt]

Most of the posts on this thread have been disinformative, either intentionally or as a result of a poster's innocent gullibility. Some of the information has been interesting, deserving further thought. None that I recall has been priceless, except possibly for their entertainment value. Matt may be a little rigid at times, but he's a pragmatist. Allegations are one thing - facts are another. Don't become enamored with some of TNet's posters until you know them for yourself.

EXACTLY!

 

[Ditlihi]

Most of the posts on this thread have been disinformative, either intentionally or as a result of a poster's innocent gullibility. Some of the information has been interesting, deserving further thought. None that I recall has been priceless, except possibly for their entertainment value. Matt may be a little rigid at times, but he's a pragmatist. Allegations are one thing - facts are another. Don't become enamored with some of TNet's posters until you know them for yourself.

Point taken, and well received, Sdcfia. One must not become enamored of any one point of view...instead, concentrate on honing one's own powers of discernment. Which is what I was taking issue with in my statement above.

We ARE all on our own when it comes to determining what has value and what should be discarded. I have existed quite peacefully with my own powers of discernment despite those who insist that my thoughts fit their "box" in order to be valid. There is nothing wrong with pragmatism, I find myself quite pragmatic most of the time. I just don't insist others should wear the cape as well, lol.

There is value to be found in any exchange of ideas. It is entirely relative to an individuals own thought processes. Genius can be found even in absurdity. Don't preface a statement with your own labels, then insist I accept them as fact. We are all on our own, with our own perception and discernment. Don't insult me by assuming I'm incapable of an original thought.

I find value in most every post here, the key word here is "I"....not " You ". I try to keep it that way.

Thanks for your thoughts, Sdcfia.

 

[UncleMatt]

I am all for exchanging ideas, but when people make statements they want other to accept as factual, that requires evidence that can be verified. Not just repetitive spewing of the same baseless claims over and over again with all kinds of drama thrown in for effect.

You have to decide if you just want to have a "what if" conversation, or if you want to have a conversation based on reality. I prefer the latter myself...

 

[sdcfia]

A little recent news from the Caballos. No surprise here.

 

[Ditlihi]

I am all for exchanging ideas, but when people make statements they want other to accept as factual, that requires evidence that can be verified. Not just repetitive spewing of the same baseless claims over and over again with all kinds of drama thrown in for effect.

You have to decide if you just want to have a "what if" conversation, or if you want to have a conversation based on reality. I prefer the latter myself...

Are you not free to just go read elsewhere if it offends your senses?

The "drama" seems to arise when you can't get everything you want, they way you want it. So you whine continually and verbally knash your teeth, give a virtual stamp of your foot. Good on ya, feel better now?

I believe what you really need is a good spanking.

 

[Quinoa]

A little recent news from the Caballos. No surprise here.

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Haha, I have been saying this to others in private for several years as a guy to avoid, his stuff was pretty obvious bs, especially all the papers he had "notorized" saying all the treasure he had located in an effort to con investors into giving him money. I still have a copy of them somewhere on a computer I kept for a laugh when he posted them.

I could have it notorized that I am a monkeys uncle, it doesn't mean anything. It just means they ID'ed you as signing the document, they often don't even read it. This guy was a joke to the treasure hunting community, a bad one at that.

H. Pulitzer (the treasure commander, lol) should be next, but he just changed his name and sells bogus treasure books and trys to get on tv. What a friggen racket. People need to wise up and be on their toes when a profit is to be made by book sales or investments or TV.

 

[sdcfia]

Haha, I have been saying this to others in private for several years as a guy to avoid, his stuff was pretty obvious bs, especially all the papers he had "notorized" saying all the treasure he had located in an effort to con investors into giving him money. I still have a copy of them somewhere on a computer I kept for a laugh when he posted them.

I could have it notorized that I am a monkeys uncle, it doesn't mean anything. It just means they ID'ed you as signing the document, they often don't even read it. This guy was a joke to the treasure hunting community, a bad one at that.

H. Pulitzer (the treasure commander, lol) should be next, but he just changed his name and sells bogus treasure books and trys to get on tv. What a friggen racket. People need to wise up and be on their toes when a profit is to be made by book sales or investments or TV.

Many - maybe most - people are greedy, gullible and easy prey for scammers. The Caballos have always been an easy score for con men, and likely will continue to be. Same goes for many other "treasure locations", some famous, many not so well-known. It's one thing to invest time and effort trying to track down a treasure rumor, but when someone wants you to pay to play, watch out.

 

[UncleMatt]

I just laugh at people that accuse me of manufacturing drama when all I ask for is people to back up their claims if they want others to accept them as factual. Its so odd how some people are so very threatened by the idea that if they want to mislead people for their own entertainment they should have the right to do so without being called on it. They suggest that anyone who points out that is going on should simply go away, even though I have been posting here for many years.

If you don't like what I post, too bad.

 

[Ditlihi]

I just laugh at people that accuse me of manufacturing drama when all I ask for is people to back up their claims if they want others to accept them as factual. Its so odd how some people are so very threatened by the idea that if they want to mislead people for their own entertainment they should have the right to do so without being called on it. They suggest that anyone who points out that is going on should simply go away, even though I have been posting here for many years.

If you don't like what I post, too bad.

I see, I see.......so, everyone should be governed by Your "acceptance" of something as "fact" ?

 

[Ditlihi]

.....Its so odd how some people are so very threatened by the idea that if they want to mislead people for their own entertainment they should have the right to do so without being called on it.....

The wording in this statement is a little confusing, but I'll take a stab at it anyway....

What is it you object to the most here...... baseless claims, or being someone's "entertainment" without your consent?

 

[nmth]

I hope the root of the drama here is not unfulfilled expectations regarding a hoped-for fast find of a faded stone structure near Rincon that should be more properly pointed in the direction of a now-banned former member. The pugilists du jour both seem like earnest, contributing posters, so I hope things can settle down. Regarding the quality of things posted to this thread overall: I'd say a lot have been VERY interesting and the sort of information or thought-provokers I would not know how to get elsewhere so conveniently. I've done my best to contribute tidbits or facts as I know them, too, though I "get" what sdcfia was saying about being gullible or just plain wrong even if one means well. I think there are a number of honest posters here. The whole misdirection thing seems like an odd claim to me, as anyone that really knew anything of major value "for realz" would a) be out recovering goodies, and b) probably not posting at all --- guess this means I am not in the big boys club yet, myself...

 

[nmth]

DOC Carving

Well, this picture is from 2013 IIRC, so could it be possible for Noss to have carved it?
How long do ash/hackberry carvings last?
If he carved it, then since it is from the Caballos not too far from Granite Peak, then it might be a non-destroyed clue to go look at and support in some way the Caballos vs. Vic Peak question.
Inquire locally for directions, as I have had too many signs and sites I posted vandalized in the recent past so I won't give directions.

 

[motel6.5]

Looks to me like DOG, also seems to be a image of a happy dog in front of then G?.
If DOC carved it I believe it would be more degraded and worn. I"m no expert though.

 

[whiskeyrat]

Been to that tree many times.
Was there with an old timer who had drawings of other markings that used to be on that tree.
There were several other more complex markings on different locations of the tree.
These were apparently older as they have now all but disappeared. You can still see the rough bark where they were, but are not discernable now.

He says the other markings matched things on the mountain.
The things on the mountain are no longer there. As in they were blown off the mountain or blown up.

Maybe the other markings were obliterated also by the same person who destroyed the markers on the mountain then left his own name DOC.
The old markings may have helped Doc find his locations
who knows?
Just another interesting story.

 

[hooch]

DOG the Bounty Hunter was here

 

[nmth]

Looks to me like DOG, also seems to be a image of a happy dog in front of then G?.
If DOC carved it I believe it would be more degraded and worn. I"m no expert though.

Good point. I've seen pet grave shrines that some might mistake for something else - so maybe it could be that. If you can rule all the boring stuff out, THEN it's time to get excited!

 

[sdcfia]

Good point. I've seen pet grave shrines that some might mistake for something else - so maybe it could be that. If you can rule all the boring stuff out, THEN it's time to get excited!

My deceased surveyor friend liked to tell a story about a piece of land he surveyed for a client who was buying it because he was adamant that a treasure was buried there. Why did he think so? Because he had found a carved stone nearby that he was convinced was a treasure map, pointing directly to the dirt he was going to buy. The stone was actually an old original surveyed corner to an adjacent parcel - it had enigmatic numbers and lines on it. Land surveyors used to carve stones as legal corner markers before modern stamped metal caps were used. My pal explained all this to the buyer, who scoffed at him and warned him to stay off the treasure patch that would soon be his. Eventually the buyer dug dozens of holes on the property - to no avail.

By the way, surveyors also left other "treasure markers" in the field besides the carved stones on parcel boundaries. Control points with numbers on them, shallow drilled holes on high points used to hold flagged rods for backshots, remote cut trees, etc. Most old "clues" you find in the hills aren't.