Do the Stone Tablets lead to somewhere OTHER than the Superstition Mtns?

[wrmickel1]

Here's the Burns Ranch and the Burns Ranch Mission with Mine Tunnels leading out from the Church and Ranch in a wash.

<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1135877"/>

If ya all had a gold crayon the pic would be prettier.

How bout maybe a foundation of one of the two missions in the area .
Wrmickel1

 

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[wrmickel1]

The mission bell by Tom K

States the Burns ranch mission story is total bogus.

Wrmickel1

 

[Hal Croves]

If ya all had a gold crayon the pic would be prettier.

How bout maybe a foundation of one of the two missions in the area .
Wrmickel1

As always, I am playing catch-up. Your posts are pessimistic concerning the Burns Ranch Mission. I honestly don't have a clue but in your opinion, is the idea more of a TV Legends type thing?

BTW, I don't agree that you should have to prove that it didn't exist.

If it was there, there is no way that it could have been 100% erased. There would be tells/clues waiting to be found.

 

[Azquester]

My head just imploded. Seriously, is this an illustration of a mission in the Superstition?

Na just messing with ya!

Look at the water mark and stamp it's a mining operation by the Vatican Mission chain for the entire Jesuit Order.

Archives of the Indies

That does include West Indies

 

[wrmickel1]

Hal

Tom Kollenborn wrote a piece on the mission and burns ranch a few years back call the mission bell I believe.

He sure would know I believe he worked there back in the day.

Wrmickel1

 

[Hal Croves]

Hal

Tom Kollenborn wrote a piece on the mission and burns ranch a few years back call the mission bell I believe.

He sure would know I believe he worked there back in the day.

Wrmickel1

On his site?

thanks.

 

[djui5]

Hal what is that newspaper clip from?

 

[Hal Croves]

Hal what is that newspaper clip from?

That was lazy not to provide the source. Sorry.

Also interesting.

 

[djui5]

Thanks! Interesting stuff

 

[sdcfia]

Thanks! Interesting stuff

Yeah, sounds sensational, but these types of drive-by "filler" comments in the old papers frequently seem to lack pertinent details of any kind, such as names of the discoverers, later interviews with them and details about the findings. For example, in these examples, where is that 4 mile-long, 100-foot deep channel carved out of solid rock? Who determined the old Superstition workings were "hundreds of years old" instead of, say, 30 or 60 year-old prospects (if indeed, anything was found at all)? People seem to think there was a higher standard of news reporting in days of yore than today. There wasn't. Some of the old birds made it up as they went, just like today. Gee whiz sells papers. At least the 1909 Phoenix Gazette Grand Canyon story had plenty of meat to it - even though none of it could be substantiated.

 

[Hal Croves]

Yeah, sounds sensational, but these types of drive-by "filler" comments in the old papers frequently seem to lack pertinent details of any kind, such as names of the discoverers, later interviews with them and details about the findings. For example, in these examples, where is that 4 mile-long, 100-foot deep channel carved out of solid rock? Who determined the old Superstition workings were "hundreds of years old" instead of, say, 30 or 60 year-old prospects (if indeed, anything was found at all)? People seem to think there was a higher standard of news reporting in days of yore than today. There wasn't. Some of the old birds made it up as they went, just like today. Gee whiz sells papers. At least the 1909 Phoenix Gazette Grand Canyon story had plenty of meat to it - even though none of it could be substantiated.

Of course you are correct. However, most of the people on this site are able to read these clipping for what they are. Some will even research the stories that they find interesting. That's the point. But that can't happen until we dredge up the stories, share them, and come to our own conclusions.

Just remember, most stories have some flake of truth to them.

 

[gollum]

Hal,

If you want to flesh that story out a little, the location is not in the Supers. Common practice to take a story and find the nearest WELL KNOWN location. All those ancient irrigation channels are around Casa Grande up to about Phoenix. Whomever built Casa Grande are the people that built those channels.

Mike

 

[somehiker]

Hohokam Canal Building

http://phoenixspatialhistory.asu.edu/canalII

To claim the canal was 100' deep may have been a bit of sensationalism on the part of the writer, but the rest of the story is accurate.
In the second article, the map shows a small irrigation system off of Queen Creek as well as the larger systems associated with the Salt and Gila Rivers.

 

[Hal Croves]

Mikey?

 

[Not Peralta]

Have some A mystery that needs to be talked about,concearning the burns ranch If Henry burns and his wife died over church treasures,where did they find it,?
was it hidden by the Jesuits ?,If so, where did it come from.Interesting question.? np

 

[somehiker]

Who has claimed that they died because of "church treasures" , and is there any credibility to this claim ?
The Jesuits were a powerful and influential worldwide religious order at the time of their suppression.
Anything of great value, other than land and buildings accumulated during their tenure, could have originated anywhere the order had become part of the power structure.




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[gollum]

Okay, lets put this Burns Mission thing to rest.

Every Jesuit Mission is on record. The closest Mission to the area is San Javier del Bac (which is just South of Tucson). It had Visitas at (modern day) Tucson and Picacho. The farthest North Visita of any mission was Santa Catarina del Cuyoabagum. It was located near present day Picacho, Az. A ways South of the Gila River.

That's not saying the Jesuits never went to the area. There is some very good evidence that suggests the Jesuits got pretty far into the Salt River Area (maybe even to the North Side of the Supers). They just never established a Mission or Visita on the Burns Ranch.

Mike

 

[Hal Croves]

Okay, lets put this Burns Mission thing to rest.

Every Jesuit Mission is on record. The closest Mission to the area is San Javier del Bac (which is just South of Tucson). It had Visitas at (modern day) Tucson and Picacho. The farthest North Visita of any mission was Santa Catarina del Cuyoabagum. It was located near present day Picacho, Az. A ways South of the Gila River.

That's not saying the Jesuits never went to the area. There is some very good evidence that suggests the Jesuits got pretty far into the Salt River Area (maybe even to the North Side of the Supers). They just never established a Mission or Visita on the Burns Ranch.

Mike

I know nothing about this conversation. Most missions began as makeshift structures. Could there have been a temporary/seasonal mission on the Burn's Ranch?

It would be hard to prove it unless a record was found. Any record.
Is there one?

 

[gollum]

Anything established as a Mission or Visita would be on record. We know the names and locations of almost every one. Even the ones that didn't last very long. Some of them have been moved from one spot to another, but we know them (Tumacacori).

If there ever was anything relating to the Jesuits on the Burns Ranch, it would have been known loooooong ago.

Mike

 

[Not Peralta]

Thank You, but I had questions about church treasure?, not a mission, I DID not mention anything to do with a mission, only burns and church treasure. and the Jesuits , np