SHAME< SHAME< SHAME
You few went through so much trying to impress others, and discredit me, with your wit.
You know who you are and what you did.
You can PM me and apologize in private, or do it on the thread if you want everyone to know what you did.
Again, you know who you are and what you did.
Time is short. Skip the
NP
Garry, you calling me a lier, that makes you no better than the people im talking about. for your info and every one elses, the picture in question was not taken by bob ward.
the picture was taken by bob Garman. and given to some one else. it is a picture of the ruins at burns ranch.the picture was taken in the late 1950's while there was several people there digging the site up,
garman prospected burns ranch and the area for gold and silver and also hunted for church treasure on burns ranch, so did a lot of other people.the ruins at burns ranch has to be a mission or church because of the cross on it. I know for a fact after sending the picture and negative to a lab for testing that the picture was taken on film from the late 1950's, and there was no manipulation of any kind
done to the picture or negative. now if some one wants to argue the point and show that its a picture of some place else taken in the late 1950's, let them send theirs to a lab for comparison. just like they tried doing here, I stand behind the picture and location 110%, prove me wrong, and you better have another picture than the one that was put on here trying to debunk mine , it was real bad. np
This is the back corner of your original picture......I believe. Notice the mountain in the background.
Garry, you calling me a lier, that makes you no better than the people im talking about. for your info and every one elses, the picture in question was not taken by bob ward.
the picture was taken by bob Garman. and given to some one else. it is a picture of the ruins at burns ranch.the picture was taken in the late 1950's while there was several people there digging the site up,
garman prospected burns ranch and the area for gold and silver and also hunted for church treasure on burns ranch, so did a lot of other people.the ruins at burns ranch has to be a mission or church because of the cross on it. I know for a fact after sending the picture and negative to a lab for testing that the picture was taken on film from the late 1950's, and there was no manipulation of any kind
done to the picture or negative. now if some one wants to argue the point and show that its a picture of some place else taken in the late 1950's, let them send theirs to a lab for comparison. just like they tried doing here, I stand behind the picture and location 110%, prove me wrong, and you better have another picture than the one that was put on here trying to debunk mine , it was real bad. np
to all, I had to take a long look into what I think was right concerning the mission photo. I do not believe this group of relatives would have lied to me about anything,with that said , I do believe its
very possible that some other relative lied to them about the photo. the relatives that left me the photo were not treasure hunters or had anything to do with prospecting,we did not have conversations
concerning anything to do with those subjects, only what they were told about the photo. I believe that the photo's are the same, but for me its hard to accept because of the circumstances behind it,
but, with that said, it doesn't take away from the fact that there is proof that there was a mission on burns ranch, and that's what needs to be focused on and talked about. now that we accept that we do
not have a photo of the mission itself , takes nothing away from the evidence that there was a mission there. I personally have been were the mission was supposed to be located, the first time I was there
it had about two foot of wall almost all the way around it,and the center of the building was completely dug up with a thirty or forty foot hole in the center, I have already given its location, its hard on me
the way I feel towards family but this is part of history that needs to be examined . hope this posting helps . np
I thought we were done with "that picture" of a concrete schoolhouse built around 1900ish.
Joe, you read what I wrote, do it, then argue about it after you find out the truth.
If memory serves me right wasn't Tom Kollenborn the one that admitted on national tv
that he didn't believe in the Dutchman story. why ask him anything. ? np
ps. how are you going to compare pictures when one was just taken and the ruins at burns
ranch have been gone for 55 or 60 years.
See, we agree to disagree, always will on this subject, I consider it ,your loss, not mine, end of discussion on this subject. np
azdave35, are you talking about wags wagoner? np
the name ed is familiar but I don't remember him.
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NP
With all due respect, somebody may have misinformed you about your "mission" picture. After speaking with a local historian about the structure in the photo's we learned that it is a concrete school house built around 1900.
As for personal agenda, mine is finding the truth and if that makes me anhole for upsetting people about unsubstantiated claims, I apologize. However don't try to sell altered facts as truth, cause the truth will always come out eventually, whether you want it to or not. So don't blame others when a story falls apart...................research, research, research.
I must admit that your ideas are Entertaining though, almost History Channel quality. I also find it interesting that you left us early in October and have returned once again at the end of March. Just wish you could have made it to the Rendezvous, we could have had some good laughs.
Have Fun NP and Good Luck
BTW One reason it is so difficult to get anywhere, some people would like to distort the facts to fit history and their own ideas, thus muddying the waters for whatever their agenda may be.
I am kidding buddy, really I agree with your point) Can we all just let this mission/building thing rest for a while?
