Cricketts and Chipmunks??

Unfortunately what is common sense for you is not common sense for others. Lets use your pool analogy again. One would certainly think that that would be "common sense". And when these laws were put into place accidental deaths dropped significantly. Unfortunately we need laws sometimes because "common sense" is very subjective - correct

I would say 'common sense' is very subjective to public education,after all,you are born with it,but,can be educated out of it!!
 

How would they enforce such a law?

Mustang I a Actually believe that most gun owning Americans are good law abiding citizens and would follow a law if it was enacted. If not than it would be a criminal act. As you always say you are not going to stop the truly criminal if they intent to break a law - right ?? Sounds like you have a low opinion of gun owners?

I guess if the government said that you could not have an unsecure gun in your house ( or loaded gun in the night stand) I wouldn't have a problem. Or if they said no unsecure if a child under X is in the house. Is that wrong?
 

I agree picker but, in the spirit of this thread, we don't need a law against the manufacture or use by a 5-year old of a small, made for kids 22. We need that gun kept where a child cannot access it without responsible, adult supervision. Just like a full-size 22, there isn't any difference.
 

I agree picker but, in the spirit of this thread, we don't need a law against the manufacture or use by a 5-year old of a small, made for kids 22. We need that gun kept where a child cannot access it without responsible, adult supervision. Just like a full-size 22, there isn't any difference.

Completely agree but many so called gun rights advocate fight tooth and nail similar safe storage laws?? I just find it very confusing. I guess I am trying to understand what could possible the reason for thinking its ok to keep a loaded gun in a nightstand if you have a child in the house??
 

Oo I have no problem with a law along that line untill they tell me I cannot have it easy acess for self defense. A small biometric easy to open for me safe in my head board would be fine. But do not tell they must be kept separated from ammo on the other side of the house in a super vault ect. However it is untill its late an unenforceable law.


As of right now it is just me and the wife. A shotgun hangs on the wall next to the bed, a pistol is the head board, and another pistol in my desk. When I have kids they will be in small safes in the same locations. When we have a party with children attening they all go out to the main safe.
 

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Couldn't agree more picker. I don't have any kids at home now but my guns are still locked up. I have early warning including, but not limited to, dogs. Getting in before we reach a gun would be nearly impossible. btw, wasp spray doesn't need to be put in a safe. :)
 

Couldn't agree more picker. I don't have any kids at home now but my guns are still locked up. I have early warning including, but not limited to, dogs. Getting in before we reach a gun would be nearly impossible. btw, wasp spray doesn't need to be put in a safe. :)

Yup and many children have been injured by it. I would prob say a loaded gun is more lethal. That's why the military carries guns and not wasp spray.
 

Completely agree but many so called gun rights advocate fight tooth and nail similar safe storage laws?? I just find it very confusing. I guess I am trying to understand what could possible the reason for thinking its ok to keep a loaded gun in a nightstand if you have a child in the house??

To protect that child sir.. ...home invasions happen...its just a sad way-of-the-world. ...but, if its in a nightstand and the child is too young to understand thr inherent danger associated with a weapon, then there should be some sort if childproofing as to keep their curious hands off of it, but yet keep it moderately accessible when need be(hopefully never..) ...as with almost all things in life, there is a right way, and a wrong way and some sort of happy medium... But not one single "happy medium" resolution will be a "fix all" for every household/family..

FWIW, I love this intelligent debate

Also, sorry treasurenet...when I get in-to q topic, I sometimes express myself with a bit more...color...ill keep the swearing to myself

As always, just my opinion

GL&HH to u all... And may your weapons stay YOUR weapons... And safe.


-beav3r
 

Yes, I appreciate everyone's participation in this thread. The discussion has been done with dignity and respect of all points of views and no personal attacks. There is hope for this world!! Best to all participants.
 

Yes, I appreciate everyone's participation in this thread. The discussion has been done with dignity and respect of all points of views and no personal attacks. There is hope for this world!! Best to all participants.

You better take that back Stocky! I have a reputation to maintain as a "Head in the Sand" Pinko Commie Liberal. ;)
 

You and me both!!
 

Personally I find a good debate like this a treasure...knowledge is the best treasure.

Well said... ...you always hear "knowledge is power"... That's b.s. ...WISDOM is power... You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't know when to use it...well, you're no better off

-beav3r
 

No one has ever referred to you two as "pinkos". Not that I can remember anyway. :)

It was several months ago but Onfire called somebody a "Pinko Commie Liberal." Stockpicker then asked how something he said was an insult but this was not an insult. I thought the term was so hilarious I have been calling myself that ever since. Its in the archives somewhere but I have no idea where we would start looking.

I think it was Onfire, it may have been someone else. :)

That is where it came from,

Crisp
 

Well said... ...you always hear "knowledge is power"... That's b.s. ...WISDOM is power... You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't know when to use it...well, you're no better off

-beav3r
I will step forward and say,Seek Wisdom and Knowledge,most of all,get Understanding.
 

It was several months ago but Onfire called somebody a "Pinko Commie Liberal." Stockpicker then asked how something he said was an insult but this was not an insult. I thought the term was so hilarious I have been calling myself that ever since. Its in the archives somewhere but I have no idea where we would start looking.

I think it was Onfire, it may have been someone else. :)

That is where it came from,

Crisp

Funny stuff.
 

Good update with some information on laws etc.



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Guns Made for Kids Spark Safety Debate
Gun manufacturers, like nearly every other industry, have strategies to market to kids and encourage young people to buy certain brands early and stick with them through the years.


A boy fires a gun at a shooting range during summer camp. Photo via Flickr user John Trainor

Five year old Kristian Sparks accidentally shot and killed his two year old sister Caroline in Burkesville, Ky., last month. The weapon was a child-sized rifle his parents had given him for his fourth birthday. The gun had not been stored safely, and was instead propped up in a corner with a bullet still inside.

The gun, a Crickett rifle, is one of two brands Keystone Sporting Arms LLC markets to children.

While unsafe gun practices were responsible for this tragic accident, no legal action can be taken against Kristian’s parents. The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence website states that Kentucky law “does not impose criminal liability for negligent storage of a firearm, even if a child gains access to the firearm and causes an injury or death.”

While the law prohibits an adult from giving a handgun to a minor, it does not extend the prohibition to rifles or shotguns. The state of Kentucky has no minimum age requirement for the possession of rifles or shotguns, and there is no federal law – one that covers all 50 states — that prevents child access.

The incident has raised the question of whether marketed guns to children creates future responsible gun owners, or whether it irresponsibly puts dangerous weapons into the hands of children too young to understand their real-life consequences.

“Learning how to use a gun at a young age has been common for generations in rural Kentucky,” said County-Judge-Executive John A. Phelps Jr. to The Courier-Journal of Lewisville, Ky. Seen by many as an essential cultural component of rural tradition, marketing guns to children and a child possessing his or her own “first rifle,” is not questioned.

On the other side, Dr. Denise Dowd, an E.R. pediatrician and co-author of the American Academy of Pediatricians policy on children and guns, told the Courier-Journal that certain things are simply too dangerous for young children to understand how to operate.

“We don’t give our kids the keys to our car, and there is a good reason for it,” she argued.

Gun advocates push for education, not regulation
Safety and education are central themes on gun websites, which argue that teaching safe gun habits early on leads to responsible gun owners later in life.


From the Crickett website, some of their options for gun styles.

Keystone Firearms LLC, the company that makes Crickett and Chipmunk brands which are especially marketed for children, says its goal is to “instill gun safety in the minds of youth shooters and encourage them to gain the knowledge and respect that hunting and shooting activities require and deserve.”

The company’s website dedicates a section to safety and education with videos such as “McGruff the Crime Dog on Gun Safety for grades K-6.” The canine character’s messages “Kids shouldn’t even touch guns without adult supervision” or “Kids and guns are a dangerous combination” are repeated in the video. Messages for adults include locking unloaded guns and ammunition in separate safe locations.

Steve Sanetti, president of National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), agrees with this message. NSSF launched a program called Project Child Safe in 2003 to “educate gun owners on their responsibility to keep their guns out of the wrong hands, and provide the tools to help them do so.”

Medical professionals say that a house with no guns is safest for children
But if safety and education are simply encouraged and not included in the law, gun control advocates fear there is little to prevent citizens from making unsafe decisions with their purchases.

The American Academy of Pediatrics states that “the absence of guns from children’s homes and communities is the most reliable and effective measure to prevent firearm-related injuries in children and adolescents.”

According to an article published in Accident Analysis and Prevention, a gun in the home makes the risk of accidental death four times higher. When complete absence of guns in the home cannot be achieved, researchers find that safe practices can reduce risk of injury.

A study by Journal for the American Medical Association found that safety practices such as keeping firearms locked and unloaded with ammunition stored separately have been proven to reduce unintentional injury in homes with children and teenagers where guns are stored. A separate study by the Journal of the American Medical Association in 1997 found that child access prevention laws could decrease accidental shootings of children by as much as 23%.

– Compiled by Audrey Ford for NewsHour Extra
 

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