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[bush13st_beav3r]

My son will have proficient training in firearms by age ten... Just like me

-beav3r

 

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[GMD52]

I think that we are getting close to a solution; if a parent is negligent, and careless, we already have laws on the books to prosecute. We now put parents away and fine them heavily for hosting underaged drinking parties in Vt., it makes sense to protect the child from ignorant, and uninformed parents. I believe that their are more that take the proper care and diligence to have the youngster learn the proper , and safe way of handling firearms, than their are those who are truly dangerous, but I state that only from my experience in the North Country, and in my own little world of experience over the last 50+ years of handling, and teaching others to properly and safely handle firearms. Like I said earlier, and will repeat,.....Prosecute the idiots, not outlaw everything else

 

[Crispin]

My son will have proficient training in firearms by age ten... Just like me

-beav3r

And will you supervise him? Or will you hand him a gun and give him free reign?

 

[dieselram94]

I remember shooting guns in high school (not in the high school) and us as 16,17, and 18 years old were very careful with them. I am quite sure many shotguns were in students vehicles in the parking lot of the school on any given day. Lots of the kids hunted and target practiced after school. Not one incident of an accident. Of course this was before many of the school shootings.

 

[bush13st_beav3r]

That is dependant upon a few things...aptitude, capability, ability to use it responsibly etc... There us no right or wrong on the age...bc every child grows and matures differently....when I was 8 I had a shotgun to go hunting w....got a bb gun at 5, and that was when I started to learn firearm safety.. ..safety isn't something you just learn immediately...it takes time... So, if my son learns to handle a gun young...after a couple years, if I myself and my wife feel he is capable and competent, and most importantly -RESPONSIBLE- then yes, he can have it free range in the woods... ...but, unlike most ppl nowadays...I will be teaching and training my son in the ways of self reliance... So that, if need be, he can live solely off the land..

I'm not saying everyone should do this w their kids...hell, my 11 year old niece I wouldn't trust with a slingshot with plastic bbs for ammo...

It is the parent that should be the deciding factor...it was brought up earlier bout parents being dumb...and I agree...most are effing idiots that of which shouldn't be allowed a weapon in their own right, let alone be the one that decides if their kid can handle one... As far as that issue, I'm not touching on it any further.. just because I'm not the watcher of the watchers.. and if their kid wants q gun n they have no experience and neither do the parents....well, I guess that's their decision and they must not love that kid very much...

I want to reiterate, that this is JUST my opinion, and how ill be raising my child, and in no way shape or form should this be done with EVERY kid.. ...but, Idk...maybe it should if the kids aptitude is top notch.... In 7th grade I got a 26 on my ACT, got a 33 sophmore year, rebuilt an 82 camaro ground up at 12...
Edit:typo and I forgot... Good luck n HH to u all!

-beav3r

 

[Crispin]

That is dependant upon a few things...aptitude, capability, ability to use it responsibly etc... There us no right or wrong on the age...bc every child grows and matures differently....when I was 8 I had a shotgun to go hunting w....got a bb gun at 5, and that was when I started to learn firearm safety.. ..safety isn't something you just learn immediately...it takes time... So, if my son learns to handle a gun young...after a couple years, if I myself and my wife feel he is capable and competent, and most importantly -RESPONSIBLE- then yes, he can have it free range in the woods... ...but, unlike most ppl nowadays...I will be teaching and training my son in the ways of self reliance... So that, if need be, he can live solely off the land..

I'm not saying everyone should do this w their kids...hell, my 11 year old niece I wouldn't trust with a slingshot with plastic bbs for ammo...

It is the parent that should be the deciding factor...it was brought up earlier bout parents being dumb...and I agree...most are effing idiots that of which shouldn't be allowed a weapon in their own right, let alone be the one that decides if their kid can handle one... As far as that issue, I'm not touching on it any further.. just because I'm not the watcher of the watchers.. and if their kid wants q gun n they have no experience and neither do the parents....well, I guess that's their decision and they must not love that kid very much...

I want to reiterate, that this is JUST my opinion, and how ill be raising my child, and in no way shape or form should this be done with EVERY kid.. ...but, Idk...maybe it should if the kids aptitude is top notch.... In 7th grade I got a 26 on my ACT, got a 33 sophmore year, rebuilt an 82 camaro ground up at 12...
Edit:typo and I forgot... Good luck n HH to u all!

-beav3r

Well said sir! Well said indeed! I don't disagree with a thing you said. Other then the whole 82 Camaro thing. I have a 2011, didn't build it, but I love it.

Crispin

 

[dieselram94]

That is dependant upon a few things...aptitude, capability, ability to use it responsibly etc... There us no right or wrong on the age...bc every child grows and matures differently....when I was 8 I had a shotgun to go hunting w....got a bb gun at 5, and that was when I started to learn firearm safety.. ..safety isn't something you just learn immediately...it takes time... So, if my son learns to handle a gun young...after a couple years, if I myself and my wife feel he is capable and competent, and most importantly -RESPONSIBLE- then yes, he can have it free range in the woods... ...but, unlike most ppl nowadays...I will be teaching and training my son in the ways of self reliance... So that, if need be, he can live solely off the land..

I'm not saying everyone should do this w their kids...hell, my 11 year old niece I wouldn't trust with a slingshot with plastic bbs for ammo...

It is the parent that should be the deciding factor...it was brought up earlier bout parents being dumb...and I agree...most are effing idiots that of which shouldn't be allowed a weapon in their own right, let alone be the one that decides if their kid can handle one... As far as that issue, I'm not touching on it any further.. just because I'm not the watcher of the watchers.. and if their kid wants q gun n they have no experience and neither do the parents....well, I guess that's their decision and they must not love that kid very much...

I want to reiterate, that this is JUST my opinion, and how ill be raising my child, and in no way shape or form should this be done with EVERY kid.. ...but, Idk...maybe it should if the kids aptitude is top notch.... In 7th grade I got a 26 on my ACT, got a 33 sophmore year, rebuilt an 82 camaro ground up at 12...
Edit:typo and I forgot... Good luck n HH to u all!

-beav3r

Like you I was messing with cars and mechanical things at a young age. I was cutting firewood with a chainsaw at age 11. Would I let my son cut with a chainsaw...NO! Not because he isn't capable but because I haven't taught him how to use a chainsaw. I have great respect for a chainsaw as when I was very young I was in the emergency room with strep throat (3 times that year) and while I was in a room waiting for the doctor to come back in a guy came in screaming "why me!, why me!" and crying in pain. The nurse informed my dad and I that this guy had been cut bad with a chainsaw. Even as a young kid I understood this and it taught me an instant lesson in chainsaw safety. I never had the mindset that it won't happen to me... Kids are capable of more mature thoughts than they are sometimes given credit for. I still won't let my son touch a chainsaw until he is much older. Maybe around 16 or so...

 

[Crispin]

Like you I was messing with cars and mechanical things at a young age. I was cutting firewood with a chainsaw at age 11. Would I let my son cut with a chainsaw...NO! Not because he isn't capable but because I haven't taught him how to use a chainsaw. I have great respect for a chainsaw as when I was very young I was in the emergency room with strep throat (3 times that year) and while I was in a room waiting for the doctor to come back in a guy came in screaming "why me!, why me!" and crying in pain. The nurse informed my dad and I that this guy had been cut bad with a chainsaw. Even as a young kid I understood this and it taught me an instant lesson in chainsaw safety. I never had the mindset that it won't happen to me... Kids are capable of more mature thoughts than they are sometimes given credit for. I still won't let my son touch a chainsaw until he is much older. Maybe around 16 or so...

Dieselram: I was wielding a chainsaw at age 14y.o. In all seriousness, I was; however, I had second agenda in mind. I was mowing down forests and buying soon to be beach property 50 miles inward. If your son is not part of the solution then he is part of the problem. Get his butt a chainsaw asap, teach him how to use it, and start mowing down forests so our investment in Florida will pay off millions.

 

[Crispin]

On a similar note: the first time I did CPR I was 15y.o., the first time I pulled a drowning victim out of the water I was 16y.o, the first time I pronounced somebody dead I was 21, I delivered my first baby at 25...go figure...youth inspires us, eh?

 

[dieselram94]

Dieselram: I was wielding a chainsaw at age 14y.o. In all seriousness, I was; however, I had second agenda in mind. I was mowing down forests and buying soon to be beach property 50 miles inward. If your son is not part of the solution then he is part of the problem. Get his butt a chainsaw asap, teach him how to use it, and start mowing down forests so our investment in Florida will pay off millions.

LOL! As far as our investment property goes I just purchased a large feller buncher for this.

In fact it is idling right now just to speed up the warming process!
It's all going to come down to how much land we can flatten!

 

[dieselram94]

On a similar note: the first time I did CPR I was 15y.o., the first time I pulled a drowning victim out of the water I was 16y.o, the first time I pronounced somebody dead I was 21, I delivered my first baby at 25...go figure...youth inspires us, eh?

Agreed youth does inspire!

 

[Dave44]

That is cool!!!!!! I wish we could influence weather.. It was cold this year. I am all for WARMING!!!

 

[worldtalker]

That is cool!!!!!! I wish we could influence weather.. It was cold this year. I am all for WARMING!!!

Google weather modification.

 

[onfire]

On a similar note: the first time I did CPR I was 15y.o., the first time I pulled a drowning victim out of the water I was 16y.o, the first time I pronounced somebody dead I was 21, I delivered my first baby at 25...go figure...youth inspires us, eh?

Crisp a short story on the CPR thing about 25 years back we had a middle age woman down , started CPR 15 min , 2o Min. This was before Defibs When sometime working her I turn and there's this guy holding her foot and praying say's he's from the church across the street 25 min. into it she opens her eyes and ask's what going on I turn and this priest is gone. She sits up like nothing happened. With the hundreds of losses and saves I preformed with CPR this is really the only one I can remember. mysterious ways??
As for drowning when potato bug's are coming out of their ears when you pull them out you can guess they have been to long. as you said thank god we were young.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Some more recent gun and shooting accidents involving children include:

a 2-year-old in Cooper County, Missouri, died after shooting himself in the head with a handgun that "he got a hold of" in his house.

a 3-year-old in Loris, South Carolina, near Myrtle Beach, died after shooting himself in the head with a pistol that he found in the car.

a 5-year-old in Belleville, Illinois, near St. Louis, was accidentally shot in the head with a shotgun by his 10-year-old brother.

a 3-year-old in Maryland Heights, Missouri, near St. Louis, who shot himself once in the chest, died. He found the gun in his parents bedroom, one of whom is a police officer.

a 2-year-old was shot in the head by his 5-year-old brother in Connersville, Indiana who was playing with a gun he found in a bedroom. The boy, a twin, died of the gun shot.

a 3-year-old in St. Louis, Missouri who died after she shot herself in the head with a gun she found tucked between two mattresses.

a 6-year-old who was shot and killed by his 11-year-old stepbrother, in what was initially thought to be an accident, but the boy is now facing possible murder charges. The two boys were left home alone at the time of the shooting in Martinsville, Indiana.

a 10-year-old in Bay St. Louis, Mississippi died after he shot himself with his grandfather's gun that he found in his nightstand. He would have been going into the fifth grade next fall.

a 15-year-old from Cherry Hill, Baltimore was shot in the head and killed by a 12-year-old friend who was playing with the gun during a sleepover.

a 5-year-old from Bossier City, Louisiana found a loaded handgun a cabinet in his home, and accidentally shot and killed himself.

a 2-year-old near Fresno, California found a loaded, semi-automatic handgun in his home, walked into a bedroom with the gun, and it fired, striking and killing his 6-year-old sister.

a 3-year-old in South Carolina was shot in his upper boy by his uncle who was cleaning his gun when it accidentally fire. The toddler died in emergency surgery.

a 2-year-old in Georgia was shot in the back by a 9 or 10-year-old who found a gun in a van they were all playing in while the toddler's family was preparing to move to a new apartment.

a 2-year-old in Phoenix was shot in the face with a handgun by her 8-year-old brother, who thought he was playing with a toy gun he found on the floor of his grandfather's apartment.

a 3-year-old in Summerville, South Carolina who died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to her head after finding a loaded, unsecured handgun on the window sill of her parent's bedroom

a 5-year-old in Telferner, Texas who shot his 4-year-old brother in the abdomen with a rifle they were playing with in their home. His brother died from the gun shot wound.

a 2-year-old in Missouri who died after he accidentally shot himself in the head after finding a loaded handgun on a shelf in the closet of his parent's bedroom

an 11-year-old in Indianapolis who was accidentally shot by his brother

three children in Houston who were hurt when a 6-year-old accidentally fired a gun he had brought to school

an 8-year-old in Alabama who died from an accidental shotgun blast

a 2-year-old in Vermont who died after he was accidentally shot with a rifle by a sibling

a 10-year-old who lost use of his right eye after being shot by an older teen cousin while they were playing with a gun that they thought was unloaded

a 3-year-old in North Carolina who shot and killed himself

a 4-year-old who accidentally shot a 12-year-old in Louisiana while playing with a rifle they found in a closet

 

[bush13st_beav3r]

Sadly I believe the majority of those shootings were due to negligence of the parent/gun owners... A 2 year old shouldn't even be able to REACH/ACCESS the gun...OR take the lock off...

-beav3r

 

[0121stockpicker]

I completely agree. Question is - what can be done about it?

 

[bush13st_beav3r]

THAT is the million dollar ? Isn't it... ..the gov would love to take all our guns...but the badguys would still have them, and think the world is free for the taking... Stricter screening too has its flaws, people can cheat and deceive their way through most anything... It could b A requirement to have a gun cabinet w a lock to keep all firearms in, but who would make sure that's happening...and what if you NEEDED the gun NOW (i.e. home invasion), ud b s.o.l.... Again, I believe this is a hot topic and there is no right or wrong answer... I bet every gun owner whose gun took a young life goes about their storage A LOT differently now... But, surely there is a way to get people to do that initially without the horrible learning curve that-is loss of life(especially young life... , those kids were all exactly that...kids, the majority, probly didn't even know what it was, and if they did, they probly thought it was a damn toy)... Personally, I'd like to do away with toy guns all together....airsoft, cap guns, ...they make a misconception in children's minds that others like it are toys too... I'm sorry, but an orange tip isn't the first thing a kid looks at when they pick up a firearm...real or not...

...as always, these are my opinions...they are said not to stir the pot or raise anyones ire. Opinions are like ....everyones got one, and they are all ...

And my second "as always"
GL&HH

-beav3r

 

[0121stockpicker]

Very thoughtful and balanced comments - thanks.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

THAT is the million dollar ? Isn't it... ..the gov would love to take all our guns...but the badguys would still have them, and think the world is free for the taking... Stricter screening too has its flaws, people can cheat and deceive their way through most anything... It could b A requirement to have a gun cabinet w a lock to keep all firearms in, but who would make sure that's happening...and what if you NEEDED the gun NOW (i.e. home invasion), ud b s.o.l.... Again, I believe this is a hot topic and there is no right or wrong answer... I bet every gun owner whose gun took a young life goes about their storage A LOT differently now... But, surely there is a way to get people to do that initially without the horrible learning curve that-is loss of life(especially young life... , those kids were all exactly that...kids, the majority, probly didn't even know what it was, and if they did, they probly thought it was a damn toy)... Personally, I'd like to do away with toy guns all together....airsoft, cap guns, ...they make a misconception in children's minds that others like it are toys too... I'm sorry, but an orange tip isn't the first thing a kid looks at when they pick up a firearm...real or not...

...as always, these are my opinions...they are said not to stir the pot or raise anyones ire. Opinions are like ....everyones got one, and they are all ...

And my second "as always"
GL&HH

-beav3r

bush13st_beav3r, please watch the language, it violates our rules.......