Basic signs and symbols you have found

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

That's exactly what they are.
Only someone didn't turn too much because they are locked in there so tight they won't budge.

I'm sure a couple guys enterprising enough, (who trusted each other enough)
could get them out if they put a lot of effort into it. LOL

But what would you do with three 1 inch drills?
They are heavy and long.
A long way to carry that much weight back to the truck.

Thom

 

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[rjwmam]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

OK. So I had the opportunity this weekend to check out some other carvings and markers where my brother found the sun marker. The first one here appears to the upper right of the sun and seems to point in the same direction as the sun rays, it is a crescent moon that has a face in it. My brother thinks that it was left there more recently like in the last 10 or 15 years by someone that was feeling artsy. Both the sun and moon though are rather uniform in size, around 18 inches across give or take a little bit. The next picture is a boulder that is sitting on top of a rock formation that appears to point to another boulder sitting on top of another rock formation about 50 yards away which is also the third picture. Next are possibly some carvings that are about 30 feet above the sun and moon. They look like 7's or something but I am not sure and they could just be from erosion but I want to see what you guys think about them. Above these marks was also a window that looks over to another mountain a few miles away. The first pic of this window is looking at it while climbing up to it. The second one is looking through the window. There is also an interesting rock as you look down out of the window at the ground that looks like it could be pointing to something but it points in a different direction. The last picture I will post is looking up at the first boulder from the ground in an area that looks like there was a slide, but could also be remotely a trap but I kind of doubt it. At any rate, please let me know what you all think.

 

[tulecanyon]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

that moon looks early american hippie to me.
you can see the tool marks in the stone. it takes high grade steel to cut stone like that. notice the "chatter" from the chisel.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

The moon figure does confirm the direction offered by the sun.
Anew moon would face the other direction and tell you to go to the right.

Tell your Brother it is a good sign and is as old as the sun sign is.

 

[rjwmam]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

But could there have been a tool that would have left the chatter marks back in the 1500's-1700's? Also what do you all think about the other marks in the rocks?

 

[rjwmam]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Yes, definitely. I mean no disrespect to anyone, I am just trying to learn and so that is why I posted the question. I hope that one day I can be as knowledgeable as Thom as well as the others that have been treasure hunting for a considerable time. I consider myself fortunate to have found tnet.com. There is some good education here that cannot be found anywhere else.

 

[rjwmam]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Thank you bob.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

rjwmam,

But could there have been a tool that would have left the chatter marks back in the 1500's-1700's? Also what do you all think about the other marks in the rocks?

Simple answer to a simple question.... YES.
The Spanish used steel chisels and other tools just as we do today.
The basic hand tools haven't changed too much in the time they were here.
We do have the benefit of carbide on the points of many tools, but other than that
they are the same as far as configuration and use.

Thom

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Dsty,

These are set in a giant boulder next to the river,
They could have been used as a pivot point to aid in fording here.
There are also notches in the other side of the boulder where timbers were set.
They could have been used as a base of operations for a semi permanent group to work from.

There is also a small railroad that went through the canyon on the other side of the river. And a very small town that was in this area that has since disappeared about 140 years ago.

All these things are something to think about.

Thom

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

They sure could be.
But they were some extravagant guys if they were Spanish.
the nearest source for those type of drills was probably Santa Fe.
LOL

Go ahead and show some of the others if you have the pics.
I think they are nothing short of cool

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

I can see that a negative image doesn't help much.
But it does help a little.
It almost looks as though the heart is divided into quarters and the marks are for distance.
I am probably wrong in this but it seems like a logical start...

Thom

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Hello OD, thanks for the reply, I used your invert and saved it , then saved to back ground and it made it big looks like you are right the heart is divided by 4 the horz line is kinda weird, got a small circle in the middle where the lines cross, looks like theres gonna be a H in the lower right hand quarter also, I may take a tarp and drape over very thing then I've got a fancy light that may enhance stuff more, there something in the upper right hand 1/4 side also looks like it calls for another trip down there. thanks for the look be safe dsty

When you go take some chalk and mark what is there.
Take a good close up and while it is full size do the invert and see if anything else shows up where you didn't chalk.

Thom

 

[rjwmam]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

OK all, this might be a stretch but could this be a heart with a broken right lobe? I have scaled the images down to make them manageable for the tnet servers and your computers to handle so if you want the enlarged versions for closer study please let me know. Not far from this potential symbol we found a couple places that could be cave entrances. One looks as if it has been filled in with dirt so that there is only a hole the size big enough for a small animal to fit through. It would have to be dug out to see if anything is inside it. We did not dig and I did not spot this symbol until we were walking out of the canyon so it was probably good that we did not dig if the right lobe is broken as we would have never seen the symbol if it is what it appears to be as this hole was up the right side of a canyon that Y's into two different directions. We did not have time to go up the left Y of the canyon and explore, that will have to be for another day. So, please give me your best shots. Many thanks as usual.

Actually it would be the left lobe, but on your right.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Ryan,

That is an amazing heart !
I think it rates right up there with Mike's posted earlier.

If you can get close to it look along the edges of the heart shape for the tool marks.
They will look slightly rough compared with the shape of the outline.
They will confirm your sign as well.

Thom

 

[VICTORIO]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Is That a face next to the Right of the red square / Heart. It looks like its mouth is open.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Is That a face next to the Right of the red square / Heart. It looks like its mouth is open.

Hey Amigo,
I am not sure about that one. but it could be.
There is a possibility that Ma Nature has built in some anomalies that could send you all over on this one.
I would look close for the tool marks or other confirmation signs.
This would save a lot of needless searching.

OR...
Go ahead and search if you want,
being out in it is half the fun,
Right?

Thom

 

[rjwmam]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Ryan,

That is an amazing heart !
I think it rates right up there with Mike's posted earlier.

If you can get close to it look along the edges of the heart shape for the tool marks.
They will look slightly rough compared with the shape of the outline.
They will confirm your sign as well.

Thom

Thom,

That might be a bit difficult as this heart is up on the side of vertical canyon wall about 20 or 30 feet. I guess though that it might be time to invest in some climbing gear and lessons.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

Dang Bob,

I'll bet you weren't worth much when you got back to work.
LOL

Thom

 

[desertmoons]

Re: Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found

makes note to self: if ever asked to take a walk with bob..just say nooooooooooo.
:P <--sweat :P

That triangular rock is so unusual, yet the crest of it is familiar for some reason..

That little cleft in the crest seems worthy of interest especially if it continues to lead the eye to that seemingly straight line of rocks in that seeming slight depression as it does in the first picture. Who knows - might lead to a seeming seam.

Or at least a pile of mine tailings. Those I've seen in Colorado sometimes had the same color that i see in the background there in the same picture and were devoid of vegetation. Could be photo artifact though.

Then you have those other two points in front and below of the hole that could be used in conjunction with the protusion in the hole.

The other pointy things well who knows. And the curve under the crest. No idea there.

Dare I say it reminds me of a crested cockatoo? I just found one of those myself I think. Its not definitive though.

Oh yes..there is a bluish whitish rock toward the left at the foot of that hill that sure seems to catch ones eye in both pictures.

 

[hagerman]

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I thought these two points were interesting.

I think your second triangle looks a little like a horse head, or a dinasaour skull.