Basic signs and symbols you have found

[hadji009]

that probably represents mating turtles. great pic got lucky and caught it at right time. way to go.did u check the 20 pounder for a map on it? the open mouth forms a V and that is a confirmation mark?

 

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[heartquest]

that probably represents mating turtles. great pic got lucky and caught it at right time. way to go.did u check the 20 pounder for a map on it?

Thank you Hadji. Yes perhaps so. Do mating turtles have a particular significance? No I didn't... I guess I will have to >puff puff< go back up there and check on that. I only photoed the top side and that side was covered with lichen, but if there was a map, I guess it would have been on the bottom side.

 

[HOOSIERau]

The snake shadow is one of the coolest pics I've seen on here

 

[goverton]

The snake shadow is one of the coolest pics I've seen on here

Cool Image but could it be a Snapping Turtle instead of a snake?

 

[stevesno]

The snake shadow is one of the coolest pics I've seen on here

Cool Image but could it be a Snapping Turtle instead of a snake?

I think that you are right. The turtle seems more logical...and he looks like he is coming out of a shell....Does anyone know what a snake head sign would be other than a pointer?...Steve

 

[Old Dog]

definitely a turtle !
It is a Spanish inbound marker. The turtle points as well as the pointer.
inbound markers are distinctive and are indentified by the light or airway under the pointer.

 

[dsty]

Hi Steve, It is my opinion that any kind of just a head is looking at something, a snake head always = danger, one that I worked was a 30 foot long traveling snake the pointed to another coiled snake the tail pointed to a snake laying on top of a boulder, steer head,horse heads two snakes looking at each other with the heads about 2 inches apart, all the profiles that I have seen are to travel both directions. Are you back state side, stay safe

 

[goverton]

Hi Steve, It is my opinion that any kind of just a head is looking at something, a snake head always = danger, one that I worked was a 30 foot long traveling snake the pointed to another coiled snake the tail pointed to a snake laying on top of a boulder, steer head,horse heads two snakes looking at each other with the heads about 2 inches apart, all the profiles that I have seen are to travel both directions. Are you back state side, stay safe

Could be a defensive stance for a Turtle protecting his ground.?!

 

[hadji009]

i think the defensive mouth u r talking bout is a V confirmation.remove the rock and it is a trutle head without confirmation.probably not many snappers in the desert to make a reference to.

 

[heartquest]

definitely a turtle !
It is a Spanish inbound marker. The turtle points as well as the pointer.
inbound markers are distinctive and are indentified by the light or airway under the pointer.

Old dog, would this marker be pointing us in the direction of the head?

An interesting aspect of this shadow marker is that unlike many of the other objects, it isn't really on the way to anywhere. You have to hike up a steep incline to get to the tomb, which openly faces east, but to see this shadow head, you have to climb to the top of and in back of the tomb.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

howdy all, old dog i have a question for you on a photo,i know you and rangler really have a eye for the small hidden obscure stuff.do you think this small stone was worked by the spanish? it looks like it was chipped out then filped over and rotated and set there.this photo was taken up on the hill above the cave.thanks for any info.. dog,tth

 

[Lost Horse]

Hi Old Dog

Question
When I find a Final Marker
Meaning, An Area with a Large F marker carved in the rock

After this point does, the Alfa Marker comes next?
And then follow the trail to the Omega

Or was the F marker the actual Omega

Lost Horse

 

[Old Dog]

Hi Old Dog

Question
When I find a Final Marker
Meaning, An Area with a Large F marker carved in the rock

After this point does, the Alfa Marker comes next?
And then follow the trail to the Omega

Or was the F marker the actual Omega

Lost Horse

The alpha and omega markers are huge things and are very misunderstood,
the "Alpha" is the first monument on the treasure trail and will be shaped like an egg.

the "Omega" is the last easily visible monument on a treasure trail'
Although omega means 'last' it really isn't the last as more info is found around the omega.
these signs and marks will lead to more monuments and markers and signs that are a lot more hidden.

There can be as much as a couple leagues between an alpha and an omega.

Both of these monuments are placed high for visibility, however the omega will be placed in a position where you have to walk past it to find the continuing
trail into the site.

The "F" or "AF" you speak of will be found in the actual site itself (if there is no further distance or directional info to be found) Usually when found in this context the "F" speaks of "the end"
The "AF" says "To the end" and will have other signs with it.

 

[Lost Horse]

Hi Old Dog

Question
What can you tell me about the Bell Marker

When I find a Bell marker in its basic form (not in Shadow Form)
I tend to keep it simple and feel it just shows owner ship (The Church)

But I feel there is more to this one due to the fact that its in Shadow form
And for some reason this one is being keep secrete

Lost Horse

 

[Shortstack]

Lost Horse:
I don't know the answer to your "bell" question, but there are large crosses and "X"s on the rocks and that large rock making up the right side of the hoyo is a large heart with a large cross on it's front.

EDIT: And a chair just to the right of the heart (in red square).

 

[Old Dog]

Lost Horse,
There is another very large bell monument at the 10 or 11:00 position to the shadow bell.
there is a large "7" on it. To the right of the shadow bell looking like a shield with a cross on it is actually a heart.
A lot of cool stuff if you include the chair, one of the three main component signs of a major gathering place and with the seven you have 2!!!
A complete set if you find a really nice water sign.
A bell with this group would signify a definite church presence here to tend a rather large flock.
This means that church treasures were kept here as well when there was a population present.
There were as many as a couple thousand on some of the trade expeditions and even more on the major explorations.
The church was always present.

 

[heartquest]

Hey while you guys are talking about AFs, is this an A F? Or maybe a UAF? When you get close, they could be stress cracks?

 

[hadji009]

does the far right notch in lost horses picture mean anything?thanks brent

 

[goverton]

what I see

 

[Twisted Fork]

Hi Old Dog

Question
What can you tell me about the Bell Marker

When I find a Bell marker in its basic form (not in Shadow Form)
I tend to keep it simple and feel it just shows owner ship (The Church)

But I feel there is more to this one due to the fact that its in Shadow form
And for some reason this one is being keep secrete

Lost Horse

The last shadow set that I studied, contained a row of three shadow forms that ran up a hill to a circle section of shadows that turned out to be the heart section, with numerous map stone sets broken down, into systematic separate little piles of which were one by one set in each pile by each Don over the decades and even centuries; same map part number in stone, different Don, same map, different tastes in color and form; all leading to the same goal. The first main, natural marker in the bottom of the canyon in this case, is a huge lion head roaring up at the sky; mouth vertical. The mine so happens to be a concealed shaft located in a position on the hill where the straight shadow run and the heart and vein section connect on the surface of the ground. Compass here sir; full of dates codes and other assorted quads showing the directions to other mountains of interest; shoot from pile to pile back and fourth and the clock in your brain will do the rest as it leads you to the clock axle or apex; sure of your interests. Scarce water or pools that stand out, is a big big clue as one sorts out his path.