Ancient coin ? (Updated! more pics)

[history hunter]

I found this coin while metal detecting when I was a kid. I thought it was fake until I brought it to a coin show and a dealer said it was not necessarily fake. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it?

 

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[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

In the UK it's easy.They give their finds to a "finds liason officer" and he decides if it's old enough to be sent to a museum for tests and identification etc etc.After that,if it's genuine then museums can bid on the item and the finder splits whatever is paid to them with the land owner.Simple.

We are not just guessing Dano. We have considerable experience. All I hear from you is America bashing.


This is NOT an American forum. The owner resides in Europe. We have members from around the globe. The UK system is great but nobody is right 100 percent of the time. We have found a few errors in the UK finds database.

Everybody is welcome here but what is it with you and America bashing? Is that why you joined?

The evidence you all throw up is seriously flawed,if not laughable!..."here's a COPY of the same coin." Um no,actually that horses mouth is closed and the tree has no roots!

Study the two coins side by side in reply #63. You can see they are identical with the same roots and exactly the same denticals!! (a dentical is the little dots around the outside) These copys have exactly the same visible denticals in a failed attempt to make it appear to be worn. You cant see that?

That could just mean that they were struck using the same dies

SS.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

It appears that someone has already identified the b&w matching dangling roots picture as a copy. They are trying to say that this copy was made from an original. The problem is, I cannot find a known original to compare. It may not exist. To add to the confusion, historyhunters coin is quarter size.

Read underneath the pic. http://africanbynature.com/eyes/openeyes_thenewworld.html

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"This Phoenician copy of a half-dollar-size coin from ancient Syracuse may provide definitive evidence supporting Professor Mark McMenamin's theory that the ancient Phoenicians were the first Old World explorers in the New World."

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

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I don't believe Gloria Farley is a professor.

B

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

It appears that someone has already identified the b&w matching dangling roots picture as a copy. They are trying to say that this copy was made from an original. The problem is, I cannot find a known original to compare. It may not exist.

Read underneath the pic. http://africanbynature.com/eyes/openeyes_thenewworld.html

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"This Phoenician copy of a half-dollar-size coin from ancient Syracuse may provide definitive evidence supporting Professor Mark McMenamin's theory that the ancient Phoenicians were the first Old World explorers in the New World."

This has turned t to be a very interesting thread your time and effort you have put into this deserves a Medal

it's just a shame some of the replys have got a little heated and a bit out of order

keep up the good work

SS.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Please look at figure 11-3.


http://images.google.com/imgres?img...e+head+left&gbv=2&ndsp=21&hl=en&sa=N&start=63

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Obviously this coin has been cleaned and fashioned into a pendant so not helping much on age ID.

It may have been cleaned and plated recently before the owner lost it but I think the others found were also said to be plated. Too much of a coincidence.

"These coins, some of which were struck from the same dies, are apparently silver-plated counterfeits of silver coins in circulation in the Mediterranean region during the fourth century BC. "The copies appear to be very old and may have been struck in antiquity. If authentically minted by ancient Phoenicians, and assuming that the coins have not been planted to fool archaeologists, then these coins represent definitive evidence for a Phoenician presence in pre-Columbian North America," McMenamin said.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

It appears that someone has already identified the b&w matching dangling roots picture as a copy. They are trying to say that this copy was made from an original. The problem is, I cannot find a known original to compare. It may not exist.

Read underneath the pic. http://africanbynature.com/eyes/openeyes_thenewworld.html

​

"This Phoenician copy of a half-dollar-size coin from ancient Syracuse may provide definitive evidence supporting Professor Mark McMenamin's theory that the ancient Phoenicians were the first Old World explorers in the New World."

This has turned t to be a very interesting thread your time and effort you have put into this deserves a Medal

it's just a shame some of the replys have got a little heated and a bit out of order

keep up the good work

SS.

Thank you SS. I also think it is interesting. Im changing my mind to a 98 percent certain.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

It appears that someone has already identified the b&w matching dangling roots picture as a copy. They are trying to say that this copy was made from an original. The problem is, I cannot find a known original to compare. It may not exist.

Read underneath the pic. http://africanbynature.com/eyes/openeyes_thenewworld.html

​

"This Phoenician copy of a half-dollar-size coin from ancient Syracuse may provide definitive evidence supporting Professor Mark McMenamin's theory that the ancient Phoenicians were the first Old World explorers in the New World."

This has turned t to be a very interesting thread your time and effort you have put into this deserves a Medal

it's just a shame some of the replys have got a little heated and a bit out of order

keep up the good work

SS.

Thank you SS. I also think it is interesting. I'm changing my mind to a 98 percent certain.

As it has the potential to be a very valuable item, I think that the correct experts need to see this find, this is the only way we can be certain wether it's the real deal or not, as for myself I honestly don't know.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Has anyone bothered to look at the Alabama coin?

B

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Please look at figure 11-3.


http://images.google.com/imgres?img...e+head+left&gbv=2&ndsp=21&hl=en&sa=N&start=63

This is the same picture in all the links and the same pic I posted.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Has anyone bothered to look at the Alabama coin?

B

I believe the pic in this link IS the Alabama coin. I have been studying it for days. What do you want us to see? http://africanbynature.com/eyes/openeyes_thenewworld.html

I dont know how many they have in their possession that are exactly the same with the exact denticals but my guess is that HH has found the first in such excellent condition. Its supposedly a coin from 300BC.

 

[Silver Searcher]

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Looking at the first picture of the bust, it looks like there is some sort of Iron on the coin, this can only have come from sepage from being buried a long time in the ground I have had hammered Silver coins that looked like this, as the coin is Bronze it hasn't come from the coin itself

Just a thought

I have posted a cut half penny that shows this sepage of Iron, I found this coin on the same field I found the Celtic Stater, I have also found outher coins with this on, from the same field.

SS.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

As it has the potential to be a very valuable item, I think that the correct experts need to see this find, this is the only way we can be certain wether it's the real deal or not, as for myself I honestly don't know.

I dont see anyway possible that the coin and brass ring could be in the ground from 300BC and come out looking like this. The only possibility is the owner cleaned it before he lost it... or HH cleaned it.

That little tiny spot you are seeing SS means nothing. Hard to tell by looking at the pic but a rust mark can be made in one day.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

As it has the potential to be a very valuable item, I think that the correct experts need to see this find, this is the only way we can be certain wether it's the real deal or not, as for myself I honestly don't know.

I dont see anyway possible that the brass ring could be in the ground from 300BC and come out looking like this. The only possibility is the owner cleaned it before he lost it... or HH cleaned it.

Yes I agree...but that could have been added at a later date, perhaps this was found say fifty years ago, turned into a Medalion, and then lost again when the chain broke

SS.

 

[Silver Searcher]

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IP have you blocked me out, from quoting your posts

He must have removed his post. I thought it was a funny comment.

Yes...but there can be a suptle difference from US humour and Uk, sometimes it's taken the wrong way, and none of what's to fall out

SS

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

As it has the potential to be a very valuable item, I think that the correct experts need to see this find, this is the only way we can be certain wether it's the real deal or not, as for myself I honestly don't know.

I dont see anyway possible that the coin and brass ring could be in the ground from 300BC and come out looking like this. The only possibility is the owner cleaned it before he lost it... or HH cleaned it.

That little tiny spot you are seeing SS means nothing.

I was refering to the genarel look of the coin, looks like Iron it to me that's all

SS.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Here's another Link.... http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/zeugitana/carthage/t.html

SS.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

IP have you blocked me out, from quoting your posts

He must have removed his post. I thought it was a funny comment.

Yes...but there can be a suptle difference from US humour and Uk, sometimes it's taken the wrong way, and none of what's to fall out

SS

All I saw was he said that the modern brass ring fell off the modern chain it was hanging on. I didnt see any reason to get upset over that comment. 8)

Don't misunderstand me I was'nt upset, I was refering to the Horse link to Danno, I don't want to fall out with anybody on here :P

lets get back to the Topic

SS.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Everyone has a view on this & this is mine. I spend many hours on ebay spotting fakes/copies like this one. It does scream out copy. I have 100% ebay record with over 1200 sales, I have only been caught out once, returned it & got my money back. However, even the EXPERTS, I took it to, were 50% sure it was. Enough doubt for me to return it.
You don't need to be an expert, you just need experience.

I will put my money where my mouth is, & if this is authenticated as ancient by a well known establishment (with certificate) then I will paypal the owner $1000. (not some professors inkjet paper)

Don't forget many of us have more experience than the establishment put together! (& I respect & work with these people)

 

[Dano Sverige]

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Seems i don't see all the posts either.Am i upsetting people?

"..No, we're not all just guessing, there is no reasonable doubt, it is CLEARLY modern. Just because you lack experience and can't tell the difference doesn't mean others don't see it for what it is.

PS... There's a nice picture a few posts up, consider it dedicated to you! "

If there was no reasonable doubt then we wouldn't all still be going on about it..would we?
No reasonable doubt in YOUR own mind Iron patch DOESN'T an answer make!
At least bigcypress is doing a lot of research,(which i admire him for) He's not just sitting there with his all knowing appraising eye and issuing commandments.Makes me wonder what else is on those tablets you brought down from the mount?

ps consider this dedicated to you.He's using the wrong fingers,but you get the point?

I'm NOT American bashing! I'm just using something that you Americans are always so happy to point out that you have...freedom of speech!
Never ceases to amaze me that as soon as anyone disagree's then suddenly "freedom of speech" is only for Americans,lol.
You're entitled to your opinions,it's all fine by me,but i have my own and like to point them out.The fact that those i'm disagreeing with have American flags under their names isn't my fault.So,i say "you American's" a lot,that's all. Sorry for that.

As SS stated "maybe they were struck from the same die,so both have the same markings?" I have a 2004 silver dollar,strangely it has the exact same eagle and number of stars as all the other silver dollars! It must be fake eh?

I'm not American bashing ok,(i do that MUCH better) I just disagree with some things and outlooks and am basically "argumentative".Also i just think if these had been mass produced,I.E. as a zipper pull etc then a lot more of them would have been found.How many "class rings" have been lost and found in how many different states?
Alot of us don't even know how to properly clean coins we find now..never mind when we were kids! If he found it as a kid in the 70's then i'm pretty sure he'd have cleaned it anyway he knew how,which probably means metal polish maybe at some time,taking off any old patina.Only he knows.

As we've all said,send it to the experts and let them judge.Simple.Yes they get things wrong,but then it's upto the guy (HH?) to decide who's right and wrong,and not someone just sat at a computer spouting.."it's fake! i've decided!"
Know what i mean?