Ancient coin ? (Updated! more pics)

[history hunter]

I found this coin while metal detecting when I was a kid. I thought it was fake until I brought it to a coin show and a dealer said it was not necessarily fake. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it?

 

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[Iron Patch]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Dont take this the wrong way but it looks modern. I see no corrosion and it looks like it was plated. Its just my opinion.

Thanks for the interesting link Ironspike. I didnt read it all but stopped at the part where the Carthaginians discovered America. ...hmmm.

It may be one and the same or this may have solved a 70's mystery.. Good research Ironspike, again.

Why does it have to have corrosion on it not all ancient coins come out the ground corroded

SS.

So that's a dug copper, brass or bronze coin?

Correct IP.

SS.

Well the person (you?) who dug it made a bad choice detecting that day and not playing the lottery.

Do you know the metal and the context of the find?

I never said I dug the coin IP, what are you trying to imply, I only posted the coin to show it doesn't have to have corrosion on it, when it has come out the ground, I have seen many Roman bronze coins come out as good as the day they were lost, it all depends on soil conditions. I don't know why you want a full metalegy test on a picture of a coin I posted.

SS.

I didn't say you dug it .. see the question mark??

If you're trying to make a point it only makes sense to clarify the metal. Don't ya think!

The metal is Bronze(copper alloy) here's another all I am saying there are a lot of replys saying it's a copy without any solid proof

SS.

So all I'll say is.. if were only going with solid proof people can stop comments on pretty much every find posted. If I post something i have no problem with people's opinions good or bad. Usually the consensus will be correct.

 

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[Fast_Dave]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I think the problem people are having with believing it's an ancient coin is that a number of examples using the same dies were found in the USA, but I don't see anyone posting about any found near Carthage. That's like finding a dozen examples of a New England colonial coin scattered around the west coast and not find any in New England. It makes sense that the majority of finds for an ancient coin would be where it's minted, not halfway around the world. No one is saying it's impossible to find an ancient coin in the USA, but finding all the examples of this particular coin here is stretching the imagination beyond the breaking point.

 

[Dano Sverige]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I doubt any of us detect around Carthage way,which is why nobody is saying they found one there,lol.

"Dano:
You appear to enjoy history.
Have you read Gavin Menzies "1421--The Year China Discovered America"?
If not, I believe you would enjoy the reading.
Don....."

I love history Don,and yes i've heard the Chinese may have "discovered" North America too.Not read much on that though so will look up that book,thanks.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I didn't respond to this one before because it looked not only modern, but "cutsie girls like horses" modern. The skinny and wild eyed style of the horse's face, the attempt to place the series of "mistruck" denticals to the right despite the image being perfectly centered on the planchet; denticals which drift into nothingness, despite the entire relief on both sides being one in a million shot perfect. It's obviously a fantasy piece.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Silver searcher, all I can say to that is "gulp"

Seriously though, look at the denticls. The horse is perfectly centered on the panchet by the denticals are added far inside to make it appear real.

At not one point in this thread have I said it wasn't a copy I started of with a reply about corrosion on Ancient coins but what makes me mad is all the replys stating fake, or copy ect, it was iron patch who jumped in with a reply, which I made to another poster

SS.

 

[history hunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Even if the coins were real that doesn't prove anything The gypsy tale is interesting and that may be a good clue if the coins are from abroad and not 'just' local fantasy coins. Most of the coins were found near a river. History hunter was your coin found near a river?

The found coins almost in too good round condition compared to the example BCH posted. I'm thinking replica, however eitherway it's an interesting and unique find

IronSpike, I do not remember if it was found near a river, but it was found in Wisconsin, in the south eastern corner of the state. I must have found it in between 1971-1975 if I remember right. Also I was still learning to MD with a (jetco mustang "cheap" MD) in 1969-1970 and was 4 years old in between those dates. It more than likely was found in a park with a river or by the shores of Lake Michigan. Thanks for your interest.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Ancient coin ?

history hunter, here is an interesting link. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/thumbnails.php?album=10&page=5

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I doubt any of us detect around Carthage way,which is why nobody is saying they found one there,lol.

3 whole posts LOL Did you join just to tell us this? These coins are representing Carthaginian coins of Sicily. Are you saying they dont have metal detectors or archaeologists in Sicily?

Welcome to the forum Dano. 8)

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

2 or 3 professor's,some institution in Boston,and a coin expert/author all agree these coins are ancient...but maybe they don't have the benefit of your expertise?

They do now. Maybe we can help solve this mystery for them.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

IronSpike, I do not remember if it was found near a river, but it was found in Wisconsin, in the south eastern corner of the state. I must have found it in between 1971-1975 if I remember right.

Thanks HH. Ill add it to the list of possible Carthaginian New World settlements. Afterall, 2 or 3 professor's, some institution in Boston, and a coin expert/author cant all be wrong.

Arkansas
Alabama
Kansas
Pennsylvania
Connecticut
Nebraska
Georgia
Wisconsin

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Ancient coin ?

2 or 3 professor's,some institution in Boston,and a coin expert/author all agree these coins are ancient...but maybe they don't have the benefit of your expertise?

They do now. Maybe we can help solve this mystery for them.

"These coins"

Since when are they a group?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

2 or 3 professor's,some institution in Boston,and a coin expert/author all agree these coins are ancient...but maybe they don't have the benefit of your expertise?

They do now. Maybe we can help solve this mystery for them.

"These coins"

Since when are they a group?

So far 8 of these replica looking coins have been found in North America that we know of. (7 in the link plus this one.) Its possible that some of them are genuine. http://www.gloriafarley.com/chap11.htm

Its a very interesting find History Hunter, but Im sticking with my original opinion of a pre 1973 US Hobby Protection Act replica copy or zipper pull.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Ancient coin ?

History hunter, this entry of yours has been a big lesson for me; which not to dismiss a "zipper pull" just because it's a "zipper pull". Thanks to Bigcyprus, he's revealed an entire drama; with "professors", articles, a network of contributors, and a budding attempt to prove the "Carthaginians discovered America". Your find is now the proof positive of the folly, and valuable in that sense. I'm glad now I followed this very interesting post to its conclusion. Thanks (let us know how the author "handles the news" of your find?)

 

[Dano Sverige]

Re: Ancient coin ?

IronSpike, I do not remember if it was found near a river, but it was found in Wisconsin, in the south eastern corner of the state. I must have found it in between 1971-1975 if I remember right.

Thanks HH. Ill add it to the list of possible Carthaginian New World settlements. Afterall, 2 or 3 professor's, some institution in Boston, and a coin expert/author cant all be wrong.

Arkansas
Alabama
Kansas
Pennsylvania
Connecticut
Nebraska
Georgia
Wisconsin

...But one rather closed minded American could be? I'll admit that these coins/medallion's being found in so many different states is "dubious",but then the pilgrim fathers didn't stay on the beach did they? Merriweather Lewis wandered through the wilderness a bit didn't he? People get about,and if these coins were used in trade with the native indians,then they got about quite a bit too..right?

Thanks for the welcome

 

[IronSpike]

Re: Ancient coin ?

History hunter you got a unique Banner find and it must have been quite a thrill finding it as a kid

History hunter, this entry of yours has been a big lesson for me; which not to dismiss a "zipper pull" just because it's a "zipper pull". Thanks to Bigcyprus, he's revealed an entire drama; with "professors", articles, a network of contributors, and a budding attempt to prove the "Carthaginians discovered America". Your find is now the proof positive of the folly, and valuable in that sense. I'm glad now I followed this very interesting post to its conclusion. Thanks (let us know how the author "handles the news" of your find?)

Well said johnnyi

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

...But one rather closed minded American could be? I'll admit that these coins/medallion's being found in so many different states is "dubious",but then the pilgrim fathers didn't stay on the beach did they? Merriweather Lewis wandered through the wilderness a bit didn't he? People get about,and if these coins were used in trade with the native indians,then they got about quite a bit too..right?

Thanks for the welcome

While I do NOT believe that Colombus was the first European to set foot on Americas shore, I do not believe that this uncorroded modern replica coin zipper pull like item suggests anything.

I edited this post several times because I realize everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

2 or 3 professor's,some institution in Boston,and a coin expert/author all agree these coins are ancient...but maybe they don't have the benefit of your expertise?

I just want to add that we also have archaeologists, professors, authors and coin experts here at TN as well as unprecedented hands on experience. We have members from all walks of life. Its the combined knowlege that makes TN so successful. Its true, up until now they may not have had the benefit of our expertise.

 

[blurr]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I doubt any of us detect around Carthage way,which is why nobody is saying they found one there,lol.

3 whole posts LOL Did you join just to tell us this? These coins are representing Carthaginian coins of Sicily. Are you saying they dont have metal detectors or archaeologists in Sicily?

Welcome to the forum Dano. 8)

You know Big C, you like to say before each remark you make that you are by no means an expert. Why then do you go on to say that the coin is a copy? How the hell do you know, being you aren't an expert? It more than likely isn't real, and that's based on the laws of probability of finding an ancient world coin in America than anything else. Maybe you should post more comments on things you are an expert on. Gotta go, hope you keep on keeping on. 8)

John

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

IronSpike, I do not remember if it was found near a river, but it was found in Wisconsin, in the south eastern corner of the state. I must have found it in between 1971-1975 if I remember right.

Thanks HH. Ill add it to the list of possible Carthaginian New World settlements. Afterall, 2 or 3 professor's, some institution in Boston, and a coin expert/author cant all be wrong.

Arkansas
Alabama
Kansas
Pennsylvania
Connecticut
Nebraska
Georgia
Wisconsin

...But one rather closed minded American could be? I'll admit that these coins/medallion's being found in so many different states is "dubious",but then the pilgrim fathers didn't stay on the beach did they? Merriweather Lewis wandered through the wilderness a bit didn't he? People get about,and if these coins were used in trade with the native indians,then they got about quite a bit too..right?

Thanks for the welcome

Welcome Dano from the UK hope to see my posts from you

SS.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I doubt any of us detect around Carthage way,which is why nobody is saying they found one there,lol.

3 whole posts LOL Did you join just to tell us this? These coins are representing Carthaginian coins of Sicily. Are you saying they dont have metal detectors or archaeologists in Sicily?

Welcome to the forum Dano. 8)

You know Big C, you like to say before each remark you make that you are by no means an expert. Why then do you go on to say that the coin is a copy? How the hell do you know, being you aren't an expert? It more than likely isn't real, and that's based on the laws of probability of finding an ancient world coin in America than anything else. Maybe you should post more comments on things you are an expert on. Gotta go, hope you keep on keeping on. 8)

John

I started typing but realized that this doesnt deserve a response. Im sorry that you are not able to keep up with the thread, John.

I think Ironpatch said it well, quote: So all I'll say is.. if were only going with solid proof people can stop comments on pretty much every find posted. If I post something i have no problem with people's opinions good or bad. Usually the consensus will be correct.