Ancient coin ? (Updated! more pics)

[history hunter]

I found this coin while metal detecting when I was a kid. I thought it was fake until I brought it to a coin show and a dealer said it was not necessarily fake. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it?

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I never said I dug the coin IP, what are you trying to imply, I only posted the coin to show it doesn't have to have corrosion on it, when it has come out the ground, I have seen many Roman bronze coins come out as good as the day they were lost, it all depends on soil conditions.
SS.

Im here to learn and share information. Is this really true? I hope to hear comments on both sides. Can you show the link please?

 

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[johnnyi]

Re: Ancient coin ?

"You know Big C, you like to say before each remark you make that you are by no means an expert. Why then do you go on to say that the coin is a copy? How the hell do you know, being you aren't an expert? It more than likely isn't real, and that's based on the laws of probability of finding an ancient world coin in America than anything else. Maybe you should post more comments on things you are an expert on. Gotta go, hope you keep on keeping on."

John, maybe you did not read all the posts and the links that were included? Another one of these "coins" was found EXACTLY like the one posted here, even to the point of having each visible dentical "worn away" in the exact same place down to the very dentical! In addition, the matching coins are 'mistruck" exactly in the same place. There is no question that these are copies, and you do not have to be an expert to see that.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I cant explain why the experts in the link feel the way they do. Maybe they have a few authentics mixed in. They did say some were different. I think when they see this find they will change their mind.

I studied this for quite a few hours. Ill study it again later when I get time.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I never said I dug the coin IP, what are you trying to imply, I only posted the coin to show it doesn't have to have corrosion on it, when it has come out the ground, I have seen many Roman bronze coins come out as good as the day they were lost, it all depends on soil conditions.
SS.

Im here to learn and share information. Is this really true? I hope to hear comments on both sides. Can you show the link please?

They are few and far between bigcypresshunter in the UK, because most of our soil is brutal to Bronze coins, but occasionally, there is one to the exception, Roman coins from outher countries fair a lot better, climate, no fertilizes and so on help, here is a fine dug example from hampshire UK

SS.

To bring up the solid proof thing...

There is no solid proof a coin like that was not lost a week, month, or year before it was found. Given the amount that don't look that way it's easy to make a case maybe it was a more recent loss. It's actually more subective than the coin fueling this thread because the only question about it is real or copy.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I never said I dug the coin IP, what are you trying to imply, I only posted the coin to show it doesn't have to have corrosion on it, when it has come out the ground, I have seen many Roman bronze coins come out as good as the day they were lost, it all depends on soil conditions.
SS.

Im here to learn and share information. Is this really true? I hope to hear comments on both sides. Can you show the link please?

They are few and far between bigcypresshunter in the UK, because most of our soil is brutal to Bronze coins, but occasionally, there is one to the exception, Roman coins from outher countries fair a lot better, climate, no fertilizes and so on help, here is a fine dug example from hampshire UK

SS.

To bring up the solid proof thing...

There is no solid proof a coin like that was not lost a week, month, or year before it was found. Given the amount that don't look that way it's easy to make a case maybe it was a more recent loss. It's actually more subective than the coin fueling this thread because the only question about it is real or copy.

I suppose it was handed down through genarations, farther to son for nearly 2,000years...what an idiot

SS.

So no ancient caches have been found which protect the coins a lot more than a single dug find? ... and would never be possible a superb example could be lost in modern times? You my friend have no concept of context relative to dug condition and that clearly shows in your posts.

Calling me names online doesn't affect me, it's simply a sign of weakness of you and your argument. I know you wouldn't do it in person. (You're typical)

 

[allen]

Re: Ancient coin ?

looks more like a medallion to me.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Ancient coin ?

looks more like a medallion to me.

Now that made my day! I agree!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I never said I dug the coin IP, what are you trying to imply, I only posted the coin to show it doesn't have to have corrosion on it, when it has come out the ground, I have seen many Roman bronze coins come out as good as the day they were lost, it all depends on soil conditions.
SS.

Im here to learn and share information. Is this really true? I hope to hear comments on both sides. Can you show the link please?

They are few and far between bigcypresshunter in the UK, because most of our soil is brutal to Bronze coins, but occasionally, there is one to the exception, Roman coins from outher countries fair a lot better, climate, no fertilizes and so on help, here is a fine dug example from hampshire UK

SS.

It looks green to me and not at all like the shiny patina-less item posted by history hunter.

 

[Iron Patch]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I never said I dug the coin IP, what are you trying to imply, I only posted the coin to show it doesn't have to have corrosion on it, when it has come out the ground, I have seen many Roman bronze coins come out as good as the day they were lost, it all depends on soil conditions.
SS.

Im here to learn and share information. Is this really true? I hope to hear comments on both sides. Can you show the link please?

They are few and far between bigcypresshunter in the UK, because most of our soil is brutal to Bronze coins, but occasionally, there is one to the exception, Roman coins from outher countries fair a lot better, climate, no fertilizes and so on help, here is a fine dug example from Hampshire UK

SS.

To bring up the solid proof thing...

There is no solid proof a coin like that was not lost a week, month, or year before it was found. Given the amount that don't look that way it's easy to make a case maybe it was a more recent loss. It's actually more subjective than the coin fueling this thread because the only question about it is real or copy.

I suppose it was handed down through generations, farther to son for nearly 2,000years...what an idiot

SS.

there are a lot of examples of excellent Roman Bronze coins on line, perhaps you should view some of them, not all are from hoards, your argument for a recently lost Roman coin in a Field from Hampshire is extremely weak.

SS.

I don't really have to reply to you a whole lot because you keep talking and making my point for me. What I said is there is no proof (solid proof I might add) to when a fantastic condition coin was lost and basically in the same breath you call me an idiot for thinking such a thing, but then say there are a lot of excellent examples online. There we go again, you only understand context when you want to take points out of it to argue but it all gets twisted into a big contradiction. God I bet your head is starting to hurt.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

[Green is patina...not corrosion, which is what I originally posted to

AH OK LOL. Just a misunderstanding. I stand by my words that this is a modern copy with absolutely no sign of corrosion (or patina) that would normally be found on an ancient coin.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

[Green is patina...not corrosion, which is what I originally posted to

AH OK LOL. Just a misunderstanding. I stand by my words that this is a modern copy with absolutely no sign of corrosion (or patina) that would normally be found on an ancient coin.

I never said it wasn't..bcy

SS.

I understand but you said that Roman coins can be found as good as the day they were lost. Are we going in circles?

I never dug an ancient coin, so I was asking. You seemed to be very adamant that new condition is no indication of age.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: Ancient coin ?

[Green is patina...not corrosion, which is what I originally posted to

AH OK LOL. Just a misunderstanding. I stand by my words that this is a modern copy with absolutely no sign of corrosion (or patina) that would normally be found on an ancient coin.

I never said it wasn't..bcy

SS.

I understand but you said that Roman coins can be found as good as the day they were lost. Are we going in circles?

They can... did you not see the pictures I posted, my original post was about corrosion

SS,

 

[Dano Sverige]

Re: Ancient coin ?

What will all this matter if that author or his professor friends or some museum sends our friend a cheque (check) for a few thousand dollars?

BTW Bigcypruss..yes i only had 3 posts at the time,and no i didn't join just to say what i said up there.Didn't realise i needed 10 thousand posts before i was allowed an open mind or an opinion,sorry.

Hiya from Sweden SS mate thanks for the welcome.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

BTW Bigcypruss..yes i only had 3 posts at the time,and no i didn't join just to say what i said up there.Didn't realise i needed 10 thousand posts before i was allowed an open mind or an opinion,sorry.

Your opinion is welcome just try to stop and think before you post. Try not to criticize others so much when you post your opinion.

What will all this matter if that author or his professor friends or some museum sends our friend a cheque (check) for a few thousand dollars?

We pride ourselves here in making the correct ID. This hasnt been proven yet to be a copy but if they want to buy, I would suggest sell.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

[Green is patina...not corrosion, which is what I originally posted to

AH OK LOL. Just a misunderstanding. I stand by my words that this is a modern copy with absolutely no sign of corrosion (or patina) that would normally be found on an ancient coin.

I never said it wasn't..bcy

SS.

I understand but you said that Roman coins can be found as good as the day they were lost. Are we going in circles?

They can... did you not see the pictures I posted, my original post was about corrosion

SS,

I dont want to keep dragging this out SS but do you have coins you found yourself or a LINK that shows Roman bronze coins coming out of the ground shiny looking like the day they were lost with no corrosion or patina? All I see is a pic.

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Ancient coin ?

"We pride ourselves here in making the correct ID. This hasnt been proven yet to be a copy but if they want to buy, I would suggest sell."

Bigcypresshunter I think you are forgetting, this HAS been proved to be a copy throug your very link to the Alabama coin.

Both coins are EXACTLY the same, denticals misplaced, the same number of denticals "worn away", the same offset, centering etc., even the same remarkable condition! NO coin is produced in exactly the same way with a hammer and die. If you stretch this to the ridiculous you have proved that either the Alabama coin is a copy of this one, or this one is a copy of the Alabama coin. To accept that premice though would as I said be be absurd. It has been proven beyond any "reasonable doubt" to be a fake.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

I am only 99.9 percent sure. I leave the .1 percent because pictures can be deceiving.

Thanks johnnyi for recognizing the evidence presented. I felt I have been criticized here and didnt want to be considered "close minded."

 

[johnnyi]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Ha! Bigcypress, are you sure I didn't see you on the first O.J. jury?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Ancient coin ?

Ha! Bigcypress, are you sure I didn't see you on the first O.J. jury?

lol

 

[IronSpike]

Re: Ancient coin ?

So patina (rust) prevents further corrosion to metal objects. Obviously this coin has been cleaned and fashioned into a pendant so not helping much on age ID.

Maybe the Wisconsin coin is the one found in Arkansas lost after being found in Alabama?

Wonder if the professor/author has obtained pictures of all the coins in the age of the internet