A Majority of Americans Do Not Want to Defund ACA

[Treasure_Hunter]

We are not against poor people having insurance, we are against being forced to pay for their insurance......

If you raise the cost of my insurance or increase my out of pocket expenses by 5 times so poor people can have insurance then your forcing me to pay for someone else's insurance and that I am adamantly against. They are not my family, I can't claim them on my taxes they are not my responsibility to insure..

Taking money out of my pocket by increasing our premiums and out of pocket expenses to pay for someone elses insurance is socialism and I will always be against that, there is nothing the left can ever say that will change my mind on that..







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[Bum Luck]

I wonder why so many people are against having healthy neighbors...and are so vehement against such an idea...
the only industrialized nation to deny workers health care...and the spokes persons against health are willing to degrade anyone who appears to support humane behaviors.

yes..here come the insults...socialist, liberal, taking what one didn't earn...blah blah blah...
the question is not why does the united states need health care...it is: why are these self serving con men attempting to keep people ill and disadvantaged.

Greed works for the Quality, so we think that selfishness must work for us.

A disconnect.

All we "need" is an epidemic to see the fallacy in that. Stay tuned.

 

[Bum Luck]

We are not against poor people having insurance, we are against being forced to pay for their insurance......

If you raise the cost of my insurance or increase my out of pocket expenses by 5 times so poor people can have insurance then your forcing me to pay for someone else's insurance and that I am adamantly against. They are not my family, I can't claim them on my taxes they are not my responsibility to insure..

Taking money out of my pocket by increasing our premiums and out of pocket expenses to pay for someone elses insurance is socialism and I will always be against that, there is nothing the left can ever say that will change my mind on that..

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You are already paying for the uninsured, the very expensive ER visits etc for undocumented illegals and poor. There is nothing you can ever do that will change that..

Oh, yeah - ALL insurance is a form of socialism. Those who are well pay the premiums to cover those who are sick, with the hope it will be there when they need it. The only difference is in who administers it. Private insurers are primarily concerned with the bottom line. Thus the constant premium increases and higher deductibles, as you state. And they drop you when you get sick.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Why is it the left thinks they have the moral right to take money out of our pockets in order to spend it on issues of their choosing.

Last I looked I was the only one signing my time sheet, the only one riding in my truck to the jobs I do, I am the only one installing and repairing the equipment I work on, when I am called at 2 am to go to a customer's site to get their phones back up and working I am alone, no one else is with me then....

You can keep your change, I will keep my God, my Constitution, my guns and my money.......

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[Chadeaux]

You are already paying for the uninsured, the very expensive ER visits etc for undocumented illegals and poor. There is nothing you can ever do that will change that..

Oh, yeah - ALL insurance is a form of socialism. Those who are well pay the premiums to cover those who are sick, with the hope it will be there when they need it. The only difference is in who administers it. Private insurers are primarily concerned with the bottom line. Thus the constant premium increases and higher deductibles, as you state. And they drop you when you get sick.

1. Ship the illegals back to wherever it is they came from. THEY DON'T BELONG HERE!!!

2. Insurance is pretty much like betting against the house. You bet you will get sick, the insurance company bets you won't. You determine how much you are willing to wager, and the insurance company has a set payout based on what you wager. The wager is your monthly premium, the payout is your benefits package.

Scandaldaddy's plan is to force the insurance companies into paying for persons who are already sick. There is no upside to such a bet.

Imagine you go to Vegas with a straight flush in your back pocket. Scandaldaddy wants you to be able to walk in and play the hand you brought from home instead of the one you are dealt by the house.

With the increased odds, of course the wagers have to be higher and the payout lower.

The only alternative is that the casino closes ... which was Scandaldaddy's plan all along.

 

[Jim in Idaho]

You are already paying for the uninsured, the very expensive ER visits etc for undocumented illegals and poor. There is nothing you can ever do that will change that..

Oh, yeah - ALL insurance is a form of socialism. Those who are well pay the premiums to cover those who are sick, with the hope it will be there when they need it. The only difference is in who administers it. Private insurers are primarily concerned with the bottom line. Thus the constant premium increases and higher deductibles, as you state. And they drop you when you get sick.

That's not a true statement...all insurance is not socialism if everybody contributes equally. Socialism is when one person pays more, so somebody pays less, but both get equal benefits. O-care is socialism. Pure and simple. Regular insurance isn't.
Jim

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

That's not a true statement...all insurance is not socialism if everybody contributes equally. Socialism is when one person pays more, so somebody pays less, but both get equal benefits. O-care is socialism. Pure and simple. Regular insurance isn't.
Jim

Forcing some people to buy new insurance and pay a higher premium and higher out of pocket expenses in order to provide free insurance to other people is pure socialism.

Our insurance plans before Indonesian Barry Sorrento became king obama was not socialism.







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[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

You claim the premise of the Affordable Care Act is to provide free insurance. That's not correct.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Treasure Hunter:

You claim the premise of the Affordable Care Act is to provide free insurance. That's not correct.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Not buying it book, peddle it somewhere else. The entire reason for lucifercare is to subsidize healthcare. It is socialized medicine...



Vladimir Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State."

“Would socialized medicine lead to socialization of other phases of life? Lenin thought so. He declared socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state.”

1945 AMA Pamphlet Warning

The Communist Workers Party published an article recently in defense of state-run medicine like the proposal that democrats are wanting to ram through*in the next 10 days.


From the Socialists Workers Party–

When the administration of John F. Kennedy discussed a plan for government health care that would cover people of Social Security age, the American Medical Association (AMA) fought back, along with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, with a well-funded campaign–complete with a commercial featuring actor Ronald Reagan, who was determined to talk to America about an “imminent threat”:

Now, back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism, the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program…

One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project…Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-keystone-to-the-arch-of-the-socialist-state/



The chasm is too wide, we will never ever agree.

 

[WVPapaw]

The latest Kaiser Health Tracking Poll, conducted October 17-23, finds that the public reported paying more attention this month to the political fights over the government shutdown and raising the debt ceiling than technical problems with the opening of the online federal health insurance exchange created by the Affordable Care Act (ACA). As the rollout of the law and website problems made headlines, most Americans give the federal government fair or poor ratings when it comes to implementing the law, while ratings of their own state governments are only slightly better. Despite all this, public opinion on the law holds steady in this month’s tracking poll (44 percent unfavorable versus 38 percent favorable). A majority continues to oppose defunding the ACA, and more want Congress to expand it or keep the law as is rather than repeal it. Kaiser Health Tracking Poll: October 2013 | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation Good luck to all, ~The Old Bookaroo

I don't buy it at all. ACA is going to be a disaster.

 

[packerbacker]

how do they conduct a "health tracking poll" anyway? Most people can't be "polled" at work. The working class are the folks that have a problem with it. If they are polling the guy on the street at 9:45am I wonder who they are really polling?? Just an observation/question??
As I wouldn't give much credibility to a "fox news poll". Most folks watching fox have similar viewpoints just as most that watch msnbc.

 

[Chadeaux]

President's numbers this AM: 53% DISAPPROVAL RATING.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Not buying it book, peddle it somewhere else. The entire reason for lucifercare is to subsidize healthcare. It is socialized medicine...



Vladimir Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State."

“Would socialized medicine lead to socialization of other phases of life? Lenin thought so. He declared socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state.”

1945 AMA Pamphlet Warning

The Communist Workers Party published an article recently in defense of state-run medicine like the proposal that democrats are wanting to ram through in the next 10 days.


From the Socialists Workers Party–

When the administration of John F. Kennedy discussed a plan for government health care that would cover people of Social Security age, the American Medical Association (AMA) fought back, along with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, with a well-funded campaign–complete with a commercial featuring actor Ronald Reagan, who was determined to talk to America about an “imminent threat”:

Now, back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for president on the Socialist Party ticket, said the American people would never vote for socialism. But he said under the name of liberalism, the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program…

One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project…Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-keystone-to-the-arch-of-the-socialist-state/



The chasm is too wide, we will never ever agree.

We will NOT go quitely into the night!

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

Scare tactics have been in use for generations. President Reagan peddled them, as well.

Heck, back in about 1916 the US was ready to actually move forward with a national health insurance program that made sense. Then the reactionaries came out with "Don't buy into a German insurance plan! If the Kaiser likes it you shouldn't."

As previously noted, the first Federal government mandate to employers forcing them to purchase health insurance for their employees was in 1798 - passed by many of the Founding Fathers and signed, I believe, by John Adams.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

You may find Jim "The Stupidest Man on the Internet" Hoft to be a reliable source. I certainly don't. And I don't believe that Lenin quote. Heck, I don't think John Lennon said it, either.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

Treasure Hunter:

Scare tactics have been in use for generations. President Reagan peddled them, as well.

Heck, back in about 1916 the US was ready to actually move forward with a national health insurance program that made sense. Then the reactionaries came out with "Don't buy into a German insurance plan! If the Kaiser likes it you shouldn't."

As previously noted, the first Federal government mandate to employers forcing them to purchase health insurance for their employees was in 1798 - passed by many of the Founding Fathers and signed, I believe, by John Adams.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Do you REALLY believe this statement.. or are you just regurgitating something you read on a fanatically lefty site?

 

[Dave44]

Treasure Hunter:

You may find Jim "The Stupidest Man on the Internet" Hoft to be a reliable source. I certainly don't. And I don't believe that Lenin quote. Heck, I don't think John Lennon said it, either.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

I often wonder where the strange library is that you get that weird info from. But it would be nice to know what makes you think a balanced healthcare bill was minutes away until America got mad at the Germans. Intrigued, to say the least.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

It's fact.

Do you REALLY believe fanatically right wing and proven wrong countless times Jim Hoft?

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

Do the research. The facts are out there.

Since you immediately dismiss or ignore or attempt to deflect the many links I've already posted here on TN - to what purpose would I do that again?

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

Treasure Hunter:

You may find Jim "The Stupidest Man on the Internet" Hoft to be a reliable source. I certainly don't. And I don't believe that Lenin quote. Heck, I don't think John Lennon said it, either.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

A lot of opinions and assertions that I guess we should believe because the weight of the Bookyroo is behind them. Tell me more about the healthcare savior of 1916 please..


Wait a minute,, do you hear that? I think it says... Short on facts, facts, facts.