A Majority of Americans Do Not Want to Defund ACA

[smokeythecat]

She'd, well, you know what...a brick. At $12,700, who needs insurance? I mean, what's the point of having this "insurance"? There is no point in having insurance. You will still go to the ER and if it's not too bad, then pay over time. If it's bad we'll have to decide if we will seek treatment by ,1) spending down our assets and go on Medicaid or 2) just go away. I think that's what the government wants anyhow. Sick people to just die, that's all. (Unless you're a senator, congressman or president, that is.)

 

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[Dave44]

She'd, well, you know what...a brick. At $12,700, who needs insurance? I mean, what's the point of having this "insurance"? There is no point in having insurance. You will still go to the ER and if it's not too bad, then pay over time. If it's bad we'll have to decide if we will seek treatment by ,1) spending down our assets and go on Medicaid or 2) just go away. I think that's what the government wants anyhow. Sick people to just die, that's all. (Unless you're a senator, congressman or president, that is.)

This is where they will judge your existence,, After they have all you own is there a monetary or social value to save your life. And Alan Grayson said it was the Republicans, who voted to a person against it, that wanted you to die. He said this outlandish statement on the floor of the House!
Alan Grayson: Republicans Want Sick People To Die Quickly (VIDEO)
"Don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly."

In reality it is the Fabian Socialist Mantra!

Please justify your existence.

 

[smokeythecat]

I wonder when it's really going to hit the fan......

 

[Dave44]

I wonder when it's really going to hit the fan......

Every doctor, nurse and therapist I have talked to since my operation says the same thing,, this is going to get BAD. And the changes are coming in slowly. I think it will bubble over, but until everything comes in they keep hearing the most shrill among us saying,, it's ok, no problems here,, you are short on facts, although I have none myself.

Soon the shrill will not be able to convince people they haven't been sold a bag of dung.

 

[Chadeaux]

do you realise Chadeaux that if the insurance costs more than 9% of your income you are exempt?

Not true ... just another lie poopagated on the public. I got my numbers from the Kaiser Foundation website, then contacted the Healthcare.goober folks by phone and simply asked what my premiums would be, since they couldn't sign me up, just based on my family size WITHOUT plugging in my age. $580/mo for silver plan with $3500 deductible ... JUST FOR ME! Doesn't count my wife and daughter.

And they said that based on my income and the number of members in my family I qualified for a $470/mo "subsidy" for the ENTIRE FAMILY. The subsidy can be applied to whichever insurance policy I like. Mine, my wife's or my daughter's.

Going from a BC/BS plan with a $2,000 deductible and a $30 copay for doctor's visits as well as prescription coverage at work ... to being a slave for the gooberment insurance ... Hell yeah, I'm getting royally screwed by Scandaldaddy.

BTW, they didn't factor in my age because they said that they were unable to rely on that portion of the site so the rates were for a much younger person.

I did my work ... total: 26+ hours online, 17 hrs on the phone. Still not signed up. Gave up trying, but not exposing the facts.

 

[Dave44]

I am sorry to say Chadeaux. There looks to be a really big gorilla in the room. "Children under 26 May stay on your insurance".

This is ominous, it looks like if these kids can't afford, or choose not to buy it, you will be REQUIRED to fund them until they are "of age".

I hope it isn't true, but why would they spell out the length of time they can stay on your plan? Think their master plan requires a few more years of childish ignorance, while they are still allowed to vote?
You know they get indoctrinated early about paying taxes before they incur much cost. Helps build the voter base.

 

[Jim in Idaho]

Yea , I think Flash Gordon may be right( kidding jeff). If you ask the people that don't know anything about it they will agree with that. If you ask the BO supporters they will say they love the thing and want to be Obamas baby momma. If you ask the people that have been looking at the way this will affect the American way of life and the cost to the economy, you will get a thumbs down. I am sure some want to defund Ocare,, More only want to destroy Ocare.

Speaking of the American way of life, Dave....How much socialism do you think we'd have if we actually had to pay for it? IMHO, not much. The only reason the socialists among us get away with this crap is because they can either borrow, or print, the money to pay for it. Go back 30 years and make people actually pay the taxes required to stay even with the spending, and we'd have an entirely different country right now. O-Care is now showing that...brilliantly! Many people are actually finding out what the Plan costs...and who is paying for the subsidies. Be interesting to see how it plays out. May have implications for other socialist benefits in this country. In any case, it will all go away when the dollar collapses...there will be no money for any of it.
Jim

 

[Bum Luck]

Not sure what part of "out of pockets" expenses some people are having trouble understanding.

If I signed up for Satan'scare silver plan my out of pocket expenses would be $12,700 a year. I would have to have little over $40,000 in health care expenses to reach my max out of pocket expenses of $12,700 at the 70/30 ratio they have set.

A small surgery and hospital stay of say $25,000 under satancare would cost me a min of $7,500 out of my pocket.... Under my current plan it would cost me $2,500.


If I bought it I would be paying for a plan I would actually get little to no benifit out of for $5000 a year. All I would be doing is subsidizing someone else's healthcare.


And the left wonders why we are not jumping up and down for joy to support their socialized medicine.........



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Wow TH.

You need to look around; unless you're a chronic smoker, and cancer victim named "Lucky", you should be able to do better.

 

[Chadeaux]

Wow TH.

You need to look around; unless you're a chronic smoker, and cancer victim named "Lucky", you should be able to do better.

Apparently you haven't looked around. Take a look at the TRUTH in Zerocare's cost to individuals who actually have to PAY OUT OF POCKET ...

TH's premiums and deductibles are par for the course under the world of Scandaldaddy's Zerocare Insurance.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Wow TH.

You need to look around; unless you're a chronic smoker, and cancer victim named "Lucky", you should be able to do better.

Bum prices quoted are for Barry's Satancare program. .. Through my company insurance my out of pocket is $2,500 and costs a $1000 a year less for wife and I.

I am a patriot so maybe I should cancel my company insurance and sign up for the $12,700 a year out of pocket expenses socialists plan so I can subsidize 3 or 4 others.

I DON'T THINK SO!

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[pippinwhitepaws]

I wonder why so many people are against having healthy neighbors...and are so vehement against such an idea...
the only industrialized nation to deny workers health care...and the spokes persons against health are willing to degrade anyone who appears to support humane behaviors.

yes..here come the insults...socialist, liberal, taking what one didn't earn...blah blah blah...
the question is not why does the united states need health care...it is: why are these self serving con men attempting to keep people ill and disadvantaged.

 

[Dave44]

I wonder why so many people are against having healthy neighbors...and are so vehement against such an idea...
the only industrialized nation to deny workers health care...and the spokes persons against health are willing to degrade anyone who appears to support humane behaviors.

yes..here come the insults...socialist, liberal, taking what one didn't earn...blah blah blah...
the question is not why does the united states need health care...it is: why are these self serving con men attempting to keep people ill and disadvantaged.

? A little overly dramatic?
You haven't seen unhealthy neighbors yet!Wait till your hopes and dreams become reality! I know you have seen my post on Mr. Shaw, Renowned Fabian Socialist on justifying your existence.( maybe you didn't want too).

Have I showed you the "Complete Lives System" written by one of the Architects of this disaster? Also one of the BOs go to guys, Brother of Rahm.
Ezekiel Emmanuel.
An attempt to justify tying up "government" resources(cash) by looking at an individuals "Life Years".
It primarily gives a rating system to your value to society. Can you say suffering AND death panels?

I think he ripped it off of Georges video.

 

[packerbacker]

C'mon pippin. Drive by your local hospitals and health clinics and count the people lying on the ground dying. People, including illegals, (yes, illegals IS a word for people that do something illegal) get emergency care for whatever is wrong with them. I'd like to get "long term care" insurance but I can't afford it. Should those that can afford it pay for mine? I wish I could get some affordable dental insurance but it isn't out there either. Someone should pay for my bridge, why should I? How come some people can afford to go on a nice 3-week vacation every year and I can't? Shouldn't they have to pay for a trip for me once in a while? We ALL confirm the fact that there are those out there that need help through no fault of their own. We are also aware that it could be us at any point in time. Thing is, we don't mind giving a hand up but we have a problem with having to continue holding hands.

 

[packerbacker]

This is my take on everything.
Any raise in minimum wages puts me closer to the bottom!

 

[Old Bookaroo]

packerbacker:

Your attempt to compare vacations with insurance isn't reasonable.

Every insurance plan spreads the risk. Everyone pays and some people collect. That is the essence of insurance.

As for dental "insurance," since almost everyone uses it in my opinion it is pre-paid medical expense coverage - not real insurance.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

Book; "As for dental "insurance," since almost everyone uses it in my opinion it is pre-paid medical expense coverage - not real insurance."

People use it to varying degrees,, Not a logical argument. But!
Didn't you laud coverage for "preexisting" conditions? This is what you mean by prepaid medical expenses, whether you knew it or not, "preexisting" means it is not insurance.

 

[packerbacker]

ob, I don't understand what you mean about dental insurance. I have great medical but dental isn't part of it except cleaning, x-rays and, I think, extractions. Root canals, bridges, false teeth and all that are not covered. There are policies out there that cover things like that but are too pricey for me. You think you could spare a few bucks for a brother and get me covered?

 

[packerbacker]

Even in this new socialist care they have various policies like "silver" etc. Don't you think it should ALL BE THE SAME? The folks getting golden coverage should give up a little so we have a gold/silver policy. It won't cover as much as the gold but more than the silver. C'mon, we need to even things out!! WT??

 

[packerbacker]

QUOTE: "Your attempt to compare vacations with insurance isn't reasonable"
I agree, it isn't reasonable...............................today.

 

[packerbacker]

This is a serious question. Right now there are folks that have no insurance whatsoever. They don't work and have no income at all. They, or she, may have 5 kids of unknown origin. It doesn't matter why, just use those parameters. Now tell me, what "policy" will they receive from socialist care? What will it cover and what will it not cover? Working folks have a choice of which level of socialist care they want to participate in. There is a "minimum" required coverage by law but they can choose better coverage if they feel they can afford it. Why aren't we giving my sample group the SAME coverage, or are we?