Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!

[Crow]

I am "Amazed" that any Treasure Hunter would object to the expressing of any opinions towards what may be a solution to the Mystery of Oak Island.

Gary Drayton presented his findings and it is up to us to view it with an open mind.

Only then can we as Treasure Seekers analysis the evidence presented and claim any evidence as to how it may support or disprove one's theory.

The coin previously shown was a 17th Century Spanish Cobb or better known as a Pirate's "Pieces of Eight", the coin I neglected to show is below and was found by Gary Drayton on Oak Island.
I would imagine with your knowledge of Templar's coinage that you would confirm its validity and maybe help explain its presence on Oak Island.

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Mysterious artifacts unearthed in treasure hunt on Oak Island - Boston Standard

Hello Robot.

As usual you twist things around when you get called out in post number when you try to pass off alleged poor 8 real coin as a Templar coin. The simple fact as I clearly stated I have enjoyed peoples theories. My issue is way you have presented as well as others the information here by twisting it out of context to suit your needs. Just as you twisted again my post " would object to the expressing of any opinions?" I have no issue or even a opinion with your theory and I have no doubt your very interested in the topic.

But what I do take issue with is the lack of method on how you came to the conclusion that the following artifacts is " Proof is growing 100 items to date" Clearly you having trouble with on how you present things.. Thus devaluing your work to others to be seen as Pseudoscience.

Clearly you and a few others have that trouble distinguishing between facts and assumptions. An Assumption is un proven, thus cannot be relied upon as fact. All research mush go through rigorous scrutiny, Yet you boldly claim they are part 100 items of Proof. With no scientific or historical evaluation of historical content of items.

That my friend is Pseudoscience. is a claim, belief or practice which is falsely presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.

While indeed I do accept a little leeway as this is an informal forum on treasure legends and no need for formal academic document either. However, when you post things and you presented them as "this is Proof" Or "that is..". It sends signals to me and others here straight away that your pumping an agenda based on a for gone conclusion which is of course based on an assumption. Especially when the items shown are out of contex for what they are.

If you presented the above items in different way such as claiming "Perhaps this is evidence?" or Maybe "these artifacts have importance?" You posts would be much less painful to read and Thus be receiving lot less negative feedback.

As for treasure hunters there are no treasure hunters here. No one in their right mind would ever wear publicly the tag of treasure hunter.

Crow

 

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[Robot]

When in Doubt?... Ask Questions!

Hello Robot.

As usual you twist things around when you get called out in post number when you try to pass off alleged poor 8 real coin as a Templar coin. The simple fact as I clearly stated I have enjoyed peoples theories. My issue is way you have presented as well as others the information here by twisting it out of context to suit your needs. Just as you twisted again my post " would object to the expressing of any opinions?" I have no issue or even a opinion with your theory and I have no doubt your very interested in the topic.

But what I do take issue with is the lack of method on how you came to the conclusion that the following artifacts is " Proof is growing 100 items to date" Clearly you having trouble with on how you present things.. Thus devaluing your work to others to be seen as Pseudoscience.

Clearly you and a few others have that trouble distinguishing between facts and assumptions. An Assumption is un proven, thus cannot be relied upon as fact. All research mush go through rigorous scrutiny, Yet you boldly claim they are part 100 items of Proof. With no scientific or historical evaluation of historical content of items.

That my friend is Pseudoscience. is a claim, belief or practice which is falsely presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.

While indeed I do accept a little leeway as this is an informal forum on treasure legends and no need for formal academic document either. However, when you post things and you presented them as "this is Proof" Or "that is..". It sends signals to me and others here straight away that your pumping an agenda based on a for gone conclusion which is of course based on an assumption. Especially when the items shown are out of contex for what they are.

If you presented the above items in different way such as claiming "Perhaps this is evidence?" or Maybe "these artifacts have importance?" You posts would be much less painful to read and Thus be receiving lot less negative feedback.

As for treasure hunters there are no treasure hunters here. No one in their right mind would ever wear publicly the tag of treasure hunter.

Crow

 

[Crow]

Hello Robot

No one is blaming you. clearly by the response your not mature enough for any constructive advise on the presentation of research.

That is recipe for failure. Have nice life robot

Crow

 

[Eldo]

Why so fowl Crow ?

LOL

You need to stop going off on the Robot.

Against the rules.

 

[Tnmountains]

Hello Robot

No one is blaming you. clearly by the response your not mature enough for any constructive advise on the presentation of research.

That is recipe for failure. Have nice life robot



Crow

Chill out crow.The only maturity in question is your quote above. Try reading the rules. Do not attack members.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Crow has 3 weeks to chill before his return. I'm tired of issuing warnings in threads over and over....

 

[Tnmountains]

Robot this is your thread.

 

[Robot]

Do.."Loose Lips Sink Ships" or was it really..."Freemasons"?



The quantity of ships needed by the Freemasons to transport the plunder from the sacking of Havana's Morro Castle was immense.

The ships used and the treasure transported had to be accountable to the crown.

With all Admirals on "board" (Shirley, Keppel, Anson, Pollock) the lie presented, that most of these ships were lost not in battle but in an unexpected storm was accepted by the War Commission.

Britian had seized 20% of the ships of the line of the Spanish Navy, namely Aquilón (74), Conquistador (74), Reina (70), San Antonio (64), Tigre (70), San Jenaro (60), África (70), América (60), Infante (74) and Soberano (74), together with 3 frigates, 9 smaller vessels including the Marte (18) commanded by Domingo de Bonechea and some armed vessels belonging to trading companies (Compañía de La Habana and Compañía de Caracas). Furthermore, two new almost-completed ships of the line were seized in the dockyards - San Carlos (80) and Santiago (60 or 80).

Spanish ships that may have been used and declared lost:

América (Nuestra Señora de Belen) 64 (1736) - Captured by Britain 1762, released?
San Genaro 60 (1761) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, lost 1763
San Carlos 80 (-) - Destroyed on stocks at Havana, 1762
Santiago 80 (-) - Destroyed on stocks at Havana, 1762
Numerous unnamed Privateer ships declared lost

British ships that may have been used and declared lost:

Stirling Castle was declared unserviceable and was stripped and scuttled in the upper reaches of Havana harbour on 14 September 1762, on the orders of Admiral George Pocock.[3]

HMS Temple was a 68-gun third rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy Commissioned under the command of Washington Shirley she foundered at sea and was lost

HMS Marlborough 68-gun ship Whilst making her way back to Britain after participating in the reduction of Havana in 1762, Marlborough was caught in very heavy weather. On 29 November her crew were forced
to abandon the ship, which was sinking. All of Marlborough's crew were taken off by HMS Antelope. On her way home to England Antelope encountered Marlborough, under Captain Thomas Burnett, which had sailed from
Havana as part of the escort of a convoy of prizes and transports, but had become separated in very heavy weather. She was leaking so badly that her guns had to be thrown overboard and the pumps kept working.
Antelope took all her people off on 29 November when she started to founder and she was allowed to sink.

Spanish ships captured and accounted for:

Tigre (San Lorenzo) 70/74 (1747) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, sold 1784
Reina 70 (1743) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, sold 1775
Infante (San Luis Gonzaga) 70/74 (1750) - Captured by Britain 1762, renamed Infanta, sold 1775
Aquilón (San Damaso) 68 (1754) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, renamed Moro, BU 1770
Soberano (San Gregorio) 74 (1755) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, BU 1770
Conquistador 74 (1758) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, stricken 1782
San Antonio 60 (1761) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, sold 1775
África 74 (1752) - BU 1809

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The Freemasons sacked Havana Harbor/Morro Castle? My history books say it was the British Navy and Marines/Infantry.

I don't see that Generals Keppel, Amherst, Monckton or Admiral Pocock (the four senior British officers in command) listed themselves as Masons. There were kind of titled gentry and didn't need the newly (re)formed Masons to be important. ;-)

 

[Robot]

Beware... in believing what one might read!

The Freemasons sacked Havana Harbor/Morro Castle? My history books say it was the British Navy and Marines/Infantry.

I don't see that Generals Keppel, Amherst, Monckton or Admiral Pocock (the four senior British officers in command) listed themselves as Masons. There were kind of titled gentry and didn't need the newly (re)formed Masons to be important. ;-)

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I completely disagree. Historical revisionism is usually an attempt to control the present. Stalin, Hitler, Pasha - all had suggestions to rewrite history.

 

[Robot]

Did the Freemasons plan to deceive with their claim of scuttling HMS Sterling Castle?




Was the Royal Navy Ship "HMS Sterling Castle" not really damaged in her engagement with the taking of Morro Castle Havana?

Was it only a deceitful plan that Admiral Pocock used to pretend to scuttle her, but in reality used the ship to transport their treasure from Havana to Oak Island?

Was it in fact that the "HMS Sterling Castle" was one of the unfortunate ships scuttled and deposed of at Oak Island?

A credible witness wrote that the Sterling Castle did not engage any enemy fire and the captain of this ship was Court Martialed for his misbehavior.

"1762 Letter by Major Alexander Monypenny about the Havana Siege
1st. July. Our Batteries open on the Morro, at the same time. The Cambridge, Dragon & Marborough laid their broad sides opposite to it. The Stirling Castle had Ordrs to sail by. & draw off the Fire, whilst the other ships were placing themselves. Tis said, she did not obey her orders. Capt. Campbell (formerly The Nightingale) is now trying by a Court Martial for misbehaviour. The Fort was too high, they did it little damage, whilst the enemy plung`d every shot into the ships; Captain Goosetree, & a great many men of the Cambridge were kill`d: the others suffer`d, but not so much. They were ordered off. The Cambridge could set one sail."



"HMS Stirling Castle was a 70-gun third rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy, built at Chatham Dockyard to the 1733 proposals of the 1719 Establishment, and launched on 24 April 1742.[1]
Whilst under the command of Captain Thomas Cooper, Stirling Castle took part in the Battle of Toulon on 11 February 1744. Stirling Castle was the lead ship in Rear-Admiral William Rowley's van division of AdmiralThomas Mathews' fleet that engaged the France-Spanish fleet. After the battle several officers were court-martialed, including Captain Cooper who appeared on 12 May at Port Mahon, where he was dismissed the service. He was immediately restored to his former rank and command however, as the charges against him were not deemed detrimental to either his professional honour or his ability as a sea officer.[2]
She took part in the Battle of Havana in 1762.[3] Shortly afterwards Stirling Castle was declared unserviceable and was stripped and scuttled in the upper reaches of Havana harbour on 14 September 1762, on the orders of Admiral George Pocock."

One visitor at Oak Island observed...

"I was struck by the lack of boulders on the one shore (the bouderless beach). Has anyone considered the significance of this? It sounds like perhaps the boulders there were used as balast. This would indicate some heavy cargo was dropped at oak island, that they needed the boulders in their ship for the return trip.

Could this ballast have been used for the HMS Marlborough and the HMS Dragon for their return to England?

 

[lorindellia]

My Bizzarre Theory:
When I first heard about Oak Island, I thought maybe it is like the worlds "float" in a toilet tank. (Yeah I hear you snickering)
Well when a float detects a functioning toilet tank is full it shuts off the valve and stops the water from running. In my concept, when there is too much water in that shaft, it triggers a lever that begins to pour water into the water table just below bedrock. This is a simple way of preventing too much water globally which would annihilate many species.

Yeah it's just a theory.

But I like it.

 

[Robot]

Treasure Hunters who claim to be throwing money down the "Toilet" may be "Right"!

My Bizzarre Theory:
When I first heard about Oak Island, I thought maybe it is like the worlds "float" in a toilet tank. (Yeah I hear you snickering)
Well when a float detects a functioning toilet tank is full it shuts off the valve and stops the water from running. In my concept, when there is too much water in that shaft, it triggers a lever that begins to pour water into the water table just below bedrock. This is a simple way of preventing too much water globally which would annihilate many species.

Yeah it's just a theory.

But I like it.

The elaborate design of the Oak Island Money Pit`s water tunnels may be like that of a modern day Toilet, and could have been designed by the Freemason and Royal Society member:

Alexander Cumming (often referred to as Cummings, 1731/2 — 8 March 1814) was a Scottish watchmaker who was the first to patent a design of the flush toilet. The S-shaped trap (or bend).

I believe his work with Barometric Pressure, the principle of the modern day Toilet, and the first accurate Longitude Clock, all contributed to the construction of the Oak Island Money Pit, Water Tunnels and Treasure Vault.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi Robot, I am glad that someone thinks as I do. The shaft curves at the bottom goes a few ft, then acends to another level accessable from the top from another location.. The water trap protects it.

 

[rowanns]

Do the Mi'kmaw in the area have anything to say about Oak Island? I can't find anything and that is bugging me. If anyone has anything or could point me in a direction where I could look, that would be appreciated. Silence on the part of the native peoples here is my fly in the ointment so to speak.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Do the Mi'kmaw in the area have anything to say about Oak Island? I can't find anything and that is bugging me. If anyone has anything or could point me in a direction where I could look, that would be appreciated. Silence on the part of the native peoples here is my fly in the ointment so to speak.

Try "googling" MICMACS (Indians) on Oak Island... HH! Good Luck!

 

[rowanns]

Try "googling" MICMACS (Indians) on Oak Island... HH! Good Luck!

I have googled and I have searched Rebel. I have gone through numerous stories that I have compiled over the years. None of this makes any sense. The Mi'kmaq would have seen this activity, they had a strong presence in the area. In the 1700s they frequently spied on the English for the French. Any construction of the nature ascribed to Oak Island would have taken a lot of time and would NOT have gone unnoticed by them. It makes no difference if they had no written language, as oral tradition has proven to be quite resilient in cultures who have practiced it for millennia. And yet there is this silence on Oak Island by the Mi'kmaq here. The only other thing I can think of where this information may be recorded would be in petroglyphs, but I don't know if anyone has searched the area nearby to see if any can be found. I admit to being perplexed by this.

 

[treasure1822]

What you want to look at is the Mi'kmaq legends of "Glooscap"

 

[treasure1822]

Glooscap was said to stand twice as tall as the Mi'kmaq. it is said that Glooscap's friend had blue eyes and another had a beard. Glooscaps sail on a island made of tree's and stones. One of the Mi'kmaq said it was easy to steer. Glooscap gave them the game of Lacrosse which is very close to a game they played in Scotland called "Shinty".