Bill, you really want to go there? Really?
Lets talk about deceptions, and newly created false legends. Not 50 year old ones. Lets talk about 9 month old ones. Leaving aside desecration of grave sites and mortal remains. We won't even get into that.
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Your "Travis Tumlinsons Circle Cross at Black Mountain Video 8" thread is still up. What exactly were you trying to accomplish with that? A false narrativeAt best, you were 100% dead wrong or..... something worse than using incorrect correlation. That little escapade had a life cycle of about 22 hours. And you are casting stones (pun intended) at me?
Truth, contrary to what some have said here, is not created. Truth isn't someone's assumptions that have been retold until they have become accepted truth. That's called theory. Real truth, that's what I'm looking for. It can only be told or found, not created. Seems to me there has been far too much creative truth making surrounding this story for far too long.
I'm listening to those closest to the source. Listening and fact checking to validate or eliminate. Somewhere in there is the "real" story. I'm doing the best I can to find it. And frankly, its far more fascinating than the story we have heard for eons. Just proves truth is stranger than fiction.
And now.......back to the bunker.
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Indeed it does CN,
And it makes me wonder why Garman used the other version, without the " squiggles", in his book, rather than the one labeled "Peralta Tesora Mappa" ??
The similarities are intriguing but I find the differences even more so.
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Hal, I appreciate your insight. For whatever reason I've been the recipient of more than what I think is my fair share of suspicion and second guessing my motivations. From the day I first posted here I've been suspected of being everything from the reincarnation of banned members from long years past (in drag no less) to a Federal Agent hell bent on busting up the LDM cartel, and many masquerading character sorts in between. My life is far more mundane, trust me.
Why the questions? I'm told; because I knew to much. Well; wonder where I heard it. Its all here (and in other like forums) to read, with supporting documents, to any one who wants to spend the time to absorb it. I took that time and I did learn from good teachers. Not to put me on par with those that have lived it, but I did learn. There are new things I learn everyday. I realize that there is far more that I don't know then those things that I do. On my own I have bought books, made FOIA requests and talked with folks far and wide. Nice little accumulation of "stuff".
Is there anyone among us who doesn't have a pet theory on where the gold or treasure may be? I think we all do. That's what makes it all so darn interesting. I'm not coming after it, on that you can rest assured. Others may, and I wish them the very best of luck. For me tomorrow marks another birthday added to a pretty hefty stack I've already accumulated. I can hardly climb my back steps let alone the lofts of the Superstition Mountains. Wish that I could. There was a day for that but its far in my rear view mirror.
I have told everyone that asked the truth. Sometimes I really wondered why I needed to supply far more personal information about me, my background and why I was interested. But; I really can't think of anything I need to hide. I haven't lied to you or to anyone else. When you don't lie you don't have to worry about slip ups. I am not infallible. Far from it. I can misjudge something just like everyone else. I may be hard headed but I do listen. I have from time to time had to protect sources. Not for my sake, but for theirs. I do honor things told in confidence.
So far as whatever projects may be ongoing, you (collective you) will have to deal with that on whatever level makes you all comfortable. But; you will not stop it. That train has already left the station, with you or without you. Its high time that portion of the story was told. And told it will be. Regardless of whose feathers it ruffles. I (and others) have tried to be inclusive with what can be shared. Rather than enjoying being included you think that's some sort of trick. That's very sad. On that subject I am and will be hence forth radio silent. I do feel its like the student showing their teacher the science project and for whatever the reason the teacher feels threatened. Its a spoiled moment for all involved. Very Sad. Where I do draw the line is that when things are posted that I know to be total hogwash its going to get a rebuttal from me. Just don't dare ask me for sources.
Amigo'sDid you ever consider were travis got his info from ( IF ) he created the stone maps, or not.NP
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Frank,
It's unfortunate that you are unable to share what you have learned with the rest of us. Will it all come out with Ryan's final product? At this point, your opinions are what I would most like to see.
Have you heard about the treasure hunter who is lost in New Mexico? Was he searching for a real treasure or only a story treasure?
Take care,
Joe
I believe everyone here, has considered that question. My own conclusion, is that he got the bulk of his information from friends in the Apache Junction area. I become more convinced each time new information is presented.
Good luck,
Joe Ribaudo
somehiker,
You have me on the edge of my seat. Would you please write more about the differences and why they intrigue you?
Thank You.
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From what I have been reading, you are not alone.
I would like to see you prove it thou.
The one thing that would end all the doubt and have everyone on board would be conclusive proof that Travis carved the stone maps. A photo of them half finished or in their work-space being carved, the tools, a letter of admission by Travis (not in the manuscript?), anything other than memories and opinion. That's all it would take. I may have missed it in the videos but I did not find that on the timeline. The rest is secondary.
Victor,
I don't, for a minute, believe any such "evidence" exists. I am going by what good friends have told me. I know folks hate that claim, but my sources lived through the history. They, unlike the family and Ryan, have no real dog in the fight.
Where are you in this thingJesuit treasure?
Good luck,
Joe